Official Wizards Draft Thread: Version 2.0

[Dat2U]

Wow. No love at all for Chalmers despite his excellent college numbers, solid measurements and positive workout reports? I figure he's at least a quality role player.

The three things that Chalmers has going for him are his ability to hit an open three , his effort on defense and the fact Kansas won a Championship.

However he just has too many weaknesses IMO to warrant being drafted any higher than late in the 1st round or early 2nd.

I'm just not a fan of PGs that CAN'T get to the basket or finish when they do get there. I believe a PG should be able to create shots for himself and others. Chalmers can't do that. I believe PGs should excel at ballhandling, Chalmers is only adequate. He's not a great athlete either. I like his defensive effort, but I question whether he'll be effective guarding NBA level talent at his position. He's got an okay shot, but how many open looks would he get for a team without a low post threat or against any team that doesn't employ Eddie Jordan like strategies on D?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Even if Lowry is a better player than Young (and I don't agree that he is), Lowry is only going to play 8 minutes a game for the foreseeable future. Young will play 20 minutes a game this year and perhaps become a starter in the years ahead.

And if Gilbert plays 40 minutes with AD backing him, I look forward to more of the same with guys like Mo Williams, Ramon Sessions, Jason Terry, Raymond Felton, and any other PG with quicks to get there's at the end for more than their share of wins.

Washington will never be a very good team without defensive improvement.

Lowry has that in his DNA so to speak. Get the guy on the roster and find a way for him to play as many minutes as what benefits the team.

AD's the guy that needs to be traded IMHO. And Gil hasn't been signed.

Lowry playing only 8 minutes would not be the way it ends up. Nick Young is the one EJ used less than 8 minutes come playoffs.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

HEY IT'S DRAFT DAY ....

I give up. I'm wrong. You guys are right. Nick Young's way more talented than Lowry.

Okay, back to being giddy with anticipation over the draft!

[closg00]

The Memphis GM appears to be everybodies bych, it looks like it's the Nets turn to abuse them. I will jealously (and nervously) observing their picks since they are looking at bigs also.

[Dat2U]

Yes, but Lowry would be a bench player for us. I'll be surprised if Nick isn't starting for us by the end of this year, if not next year. He's way too explosive a scorer to be a bench player forever, and with his length he can be taught defense.

Exactly.

Even if Lowry is a better player than Young (and I don't agree that he is), Lowry is only going to play 8 minutes a game for the foreseeable future. Young will play 20 minutes a game this year and perhaps become a starter in the years ahead.

If the Wizards acquired Lowry, I'd suspect that would mean AD is about to be dealt. If AD can play with Arenas, why wouldn't Lowry? I'd love to see Lowry's toughness, defensive fortitude & ballhandling alongside Gil in the backcourt.

And I don't get why Lowry is presumed to have such a limited upside. He's extremely athletic, still very young, and last year was truly his first full season in the NBA.

Nick Young may have more physical gifts, but he's not bringing much else to the table other than scoring, which he wan't all that effective at over the course of the past season. I also question his b-ball IQ.

The Wizards don't need to pair a volume scorer with Gil. It's like the law of diminshing returns when you pair two players with similar scoring mindsets together. I'd rather see Gil paired with someone who has a bulldog mentality, willingly plays D and doesn't back down from no one.

That said, I'd much rather use the #18 to get Lowry. I still love the idea of trading down 10 spots and using Pecherov to balance out salaries. Lowry & Hendrix would be an A+++ draft IMO.

[Dat2U]

Great list, Dat!

At the last minute of the draft I've taken a liking to a couple guys not on your list.

George Hill, a scoring PG out of IUPUI. Seems to have the potential for a long, successful NBA career if he goes to the right team. Don't be shocked if the Pacers grab him.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/George-Hill-5067/

Brian Roberts, a pure shooting PG who can also distribute, out of Dayton. Daniel Gibson comparison seems to fit.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brian-Roberts-5032/

And a couple more I've mentioned before that I think could be solid role players if drafted at #47.

Pat Calathes. Possibly a 6'10" SG, but definitely a SF. I think he'd be rated higher if he weren't white and relatively non-athletic. Can't see why he's not higher up in mocks.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Pat-Calathes-1373/

Maarty Leunen, a Brian Cardinal/Darius Songaila-type player. Dutch and will probably play in Europe but his stats say solid NBA prospect to me.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Maarty-Leunen-476/

Dat and others, one guy not mentioned above who WILL be a very solid NBA player: James Gist.

Gist is just not skilled enough to my liking. I think he's too lite to play the PF and not quick or active enough to play the SF. He may get a cup of tea in the NBA but unless he really develops range or ballhandling skills, I just don't see him sticking.

Leunen, Calathes & Roberts just don't seem athletic enough at their respective positions to suceed. Maybe I'm wrong though. Leunen does have excellent court vision though.

I honestly don't know enough about George Hill to really have an opinion there. Maybe I should take a closer look at him.

[closg00]

Chad Ford is reporting the Ernie was talking to Detroit about trading down, but it didn't workout. Maybe there is something to the Houston Rumor.

.....then again obviously not.

[LyricalRico]

From DX

-Rumors that Houston will trade up to the 18th pick in exchange for Luther Head and the #25 have been called “completely false” by sources with knowledge of the situation. The Wizards like Roger Mason much more than Luther Head and don’t consider him any kind of upgrade to what they have already.

There is "lots of interest in the #18 pick" though.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Wor ... EST--2950/

[Ji]

This is a depressing day to me folks. This is the day where everyone gets better except for us. I hope Ernie has something up his sleave because I cant do another 42-40 season and 4-1 loss to the cavs again.

[dobrojim]

I'd love to get Lowry for reasons that I've gone over before ...
mostly the importance IMO of strong defense at the point of attack.

that said, I wouldn't give up N1, note: not NY which is a city in NY

Giving up N1 now would be a reprise of giving up Rip after one year.
(probably) Losing Mason is too bad, but since he just had a breakout,
unless he gives us a serious hometown discount, we'd pay too much
for a guy that would take minutes away from the player, N1, who will
be better in 1-2 years.

it will be interesting to see how thing unfold

I trust in Ernie who knew enough last year to take N1 when I was drinking the
Morris Almond KoolAid (you know I luv you CCJ)

I'm still wondering about whether taking Rose would be a huge mistake for ChiTown

I don't know shyt about 98% of these players, that's why I like Hibbert (sorry Cramer).

[fishercob]

This is a depressing day to me folks. This is the day where everyone gets better except for us. I hope Ernie has something up his sleave because I cant do another 42-40 season and 4-1 loss to the cavs again.

You are the worst fan in the history of sports.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'd love to get Lowry for reasons that I've gone over before ...
mostly the importance IMO of strong defense at the point of attack.

that said, I wouldn't give up N1, note: not NY which is a city in NY

Giving up N1 now would be a reprise of giving up Rip after one year.
(probably) Losing Mason is too bad, but since he just had a breakout,
unless he gives us a serious hometown discount, we'd pay too much
for a guy that would take minutes away from the player, N1, who will
be better in 1-2 years.

it will be interesting to see how thing unfold

I trust in Ernie who knew enough last year to take N1 when I was drinking the
Morris Almond KoolAid (you know I luv you CCJ)

I'm still wondering about whether taking Rose would be a huge mistake for ChiTown

I don't know shyt about 98% of these players, that's why I like Hibbert (sorry Cramer).

Actually, I had a soothing herbal tea while watching Paul Millsap play in the playoffs, while EG had to order a scotch while thinking about Pecherov getting dunked on by Nocioni.



Hopefully, you kept your Almond koolaid in the package for seasons to come, jim. I am one stubborn guy who refuses to let being wrong for now mean I'm not going to be right about this sooner or later. I still say Morris is better than Nick, although I ADMIT Nick looked better last season.

[BruceO]

He might be the worst but theres alot of moves been made without us being involved, remember this is the time of the year that changed Boston from the crappy team that they were to the team that they are now. I mean the market is flooded with new players coming in from the draft and old players opting out or being traded. No better time to act than now. Some teams are desperate already and need to act. Other teams are mentioning known players like Brand, marion,Artest, Richard Jefferson etc.
I mean this is the only time with two players opting out to define how we are going to be in the future. Our name shoud be mentioned somewhere among the works

[Ji]

"Almond" Joy...sometimes you feel like a nut..sometimes you dont

[Kanyewest]

I'd love to get Lowry for reasons that I've gone over before ...
mostly the importance IMO of strong defense at the point of attack.

that said, I wouldn't give up N1, note: not NY which is a city in NY

Giving up N1 now would be a reprise of giving up Rip after one year.
(probably) Losing Mason is too bad, but since he just had a breakout,
unless he gives us a serious hometown discount, we'd pay too much
for a guy that would take minutes away from the player, N1, who will
be better in 1-2 years.

it will be interesting to see how thing unfold

I trust in Ernie who knew enough last year to take N1 when I was drinking the
Morris Almond KoolAid (you know I luv you CCJ)

I'm still wondering about whether taking Rose would be a huge mistake for ChiTown

I don't know shyt about 98% of these players, that's why I like Hibbert (sorry Cramer).

I love NY

[newslowsad]

From DX

-Rumors that Houston will trade up to the 18th pick in exchange for Luther Head and the #25 have been called “completely false” by sources with knowledge of the situation. The Wizards like Roger Mason much more than Luther Head and don’t consider him any kind of upgrade to what they have already.

There is "lots of interest in the #18 pick" though.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Wor ... EST--2950/

thank god.

[Ruzious]

hey guys, is this legit?


http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9216

I don't know if its true or not. Luther Head can really stroke the 3. It's very intriguing. Is Hoopsworld reputable?

If anyone thought Hoopsworld was reputable, think again. If Bill Ingram's article is any indication, it's worthless.

[newslowsad]

Whenever I feel down on N1, I think of the games against Golden State and LA when he went INSANE. No, he's not a great defender, but he has great promise as a scorer.

[Ruzious]

"Almond" Joy...sometimes you feel like a nut..sometimes you dont

I'm not Solomon Jonezing for Almond. Sorry, CCJ.

[spaceman_E]

pace adjusted per-40 numbers:

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Player        PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER
mason,roger  17.6  3.2  3.3  1.0  0.4  1.7 .552 .573 13.8
head,luther  16.4  4.0  4.1  1.3  0.3  2.1 .516 .544 13.6

I don't see how Head helps us either.

I hear what you're saying, but that was in a career-best year for Mason and a career-worst year for Head. Even with that, they're fairly close.

Plus, Head's cheaper and his contract runs out a year sooner than Pecherov's. I don't love the trade, but I wouldn't have much of a problem with it either.

Exactly what I was thinking, but I'm more in favor of this deal. Head is a player I've liked for a while and I think he would fit in pretty well here. To all you worried about the development of Young, you should remember that Head has also played some PG in his past and could easily do that for us since we don't really use the position as a pure point. Add in the fact that we could probably get Batum at #25 or at worst, someone like Bill Walker, I really like it. We should be very flexible with who we target and this would net us a cheap replacement for Mason who is an even better PG. There will still be plenty of players of value for us at #25 and this way we can save our MLE to fix whatever holes we have left after the draft.