Otto Porter Part 2

[Severn Hoos]

"Trade down and draft Demarcus Cousins plus a pick" 2010
"Kirk Cousins will be a starting QB" (even over Griffin) 2012
Dejuan Blair is as good as ever. 2015

I think Meat Loaf had something to say about your prognostication...


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hWWe-ts2s[/youtube]

[Higga]

IIRC we had Wall and Beal dominate the 4th quarter quite a lot this year, not counting the last game vs. Detroit of course.

Not worried about Porter carrying the play late in the game. That's what Wall/Beal are for. He's the glue guy that keeps everything else afloat in the middle portion of the game.

[nate33]

He is also the 'new kid on the block' and may be deferring in some cases or simply not
getting his number called by the coaching staff in other cases.

Or maybe, after lighting teams up for the first 3 quarters because the defense has left him to double other players, they finally start guarding him in the 4th, allowing our other players to thrive.

[bsilver]

I notice that Paul Pierce is averaging 5 points a game on 32 percent shooting. OP is so much better at this point. We probably dodged a bullet by having PP go to the Clippers. Good chance that his last productive year was last year.

[nate33]

I notice that Paul Pierce is averaging 5 points a game on 32 percent shooting. OP is so much better at this point. We probably dodged a bullet by having PP go to the Clippers. Good chance that his last productive year was last year.

Good point.

At the risk of "going hands11" on you, I made this prediction back when we acquired Jared Dudley. I said that Pierce is very likely poised to fall off the cliff in production because of his age, and that Dudley would probably be the better player going forward.

[Ruzious]

I'm guessing the Clips have used Pierce primarily at the 3 (correct me if I'm wrong) - and anyone who read the Wiz board would know - he's much better suited to play the 4 at this point in his career.

[tontoz]

I notice that Paul Pierce is averaging 5 points a game on 32 percent shooting. OP is so much better at this point. We probably dodged a bullet by having PP go to the Clippers. Good chance that his last productive year was last year.

Good point.

At the risk of "going hands11" on you, I made this prediction back when we acquired Jared Dudley. I said that Pierce is very likely poised to fall off the cliff in production because of his age, and that Dudley would probably be the better player going forward.

I was expecting some of that decline last year. Still early in the season but he has been shooting blanks so far. Looks like we definitely lucked out there.

[Illmatic12]

I'm guessing the Clips have used Pierce primarily at the 3 (correct me if I'm wrong) - and anyone who read the Wiz board would know - he's much better suited to play the 4 at this point in his career.

That's not much of an excuse, considering that the 4-man next to him is Blake Griffin.

If PP can barely show a pulse playing next to the talent on that Clippers team, it's a clear sign that he's close to done.

[tontoz]

He is also the 'new kid on the block' and may be deferring in some cases or simply not
getting his number called by the coaching staff in other cases.

Yeah it seems like he just hasn't gotten many touches late in games. hopefully that changes since he makes good decisions with the ball.

[nate33]

Being the new kid on the block didn't affect him here.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

IIRC we had Wall and Beal dominate the 4th quarter quite a lot this year, not counting the last game vs. Detroit of course.

Not worried about Porter carrying the play late in the game. That's what Wall/Beal are for. He's the glue guy that keeps everything else afloat in the middle portion of the game.

Otto Porter is way better way earlier than anyone would have predicted after his slow start as a rookie.

[Dark Faze]

most of us anticipated Porter would be much better with the starters than the bench--he's a team basketball player who was mostly played with some bad bench groups who couldn't create for others

[tontoz]

most of us anticipated Porter would be much better with the starters than the bench--he's a team basketball player who was mostly played with some bad bench groups who couldn't create for others

So many times last season I would see him cut to the basket wide open and not get the ball. He is a different player with the starters and you are right many of us understood that long before the playoffs.

[Rafael122]

IIRC we had Wall and Beal dominate the 4th quarter quite a lot this year, not counting the last game vs. Detroit of course.

Not worried about Porter carrying the play late in the game. That's what Wall/Beal are for. He's the glue guy that keeps everything else afloat in the middle portion of the game.

Otto Porter is way better way earlier than anyone would have predicted after his slow start as a rookie.

There were quite a few people here, including myself and I believe Dat who didn't get the pitchforks out b/c he struggled out of the gate. A lot of people just look at the box score and think that's whats going on. His rookie season was screwed up b/c of the hip injury, by the time he came back, it was like late December/early January. There was no way he was going to make an impact. The 2nd year, they brought in Pierce and he played sporadically, but it wasn't until the playoffs that he blew up. Now look at year 3. I've been watching this kid since his Hoya days, I will pound the table for this guy. He's a basketball player.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

most of us anticipated Porter would be much better with the starters than the bench--he's a team basketball player who was mostly played with some bad bench groups who couldn't create for others

So many times last season I would see him cut to the basket wide open and not get the ball. He is a different player with the starters and you are right many of us understood that long before the playoffs.

Beating Dead Horse Alert:

Blair at PF with the starters...just 5 minutes...please, Coach Wittman.

Just to boost Blair's confidence. Just to give him swagger. Just to show what I think will happen.

[stevemcqueen1]

most of us anticipated Porter would be much better with the starters than the bench--he's a team basketball player who was mostly played with some bad bench groups who couldn't create for others

Which is what the people thinking Otto is better or more valuable than Beal are overlooking. Beal is a high volume scoring offensive creator. Otto is not. He's a finisher that has 70% of his offense created for him.

[tontoz]

most of us anticipated Porter would be much better with the starters than the bench--he's a team basketball player who was mostly played with some bad bench groups who couldn't create for others

Which is what the people thinking Otto is better or more valuable than Beal are overlooking. Beal is a high volume scoring offensive creator. Otto is not. He's a finisher that has 70% of his offense created for him.

Beal is not a high volume scorer nor a creator. His assist rate ranks 56th among 2s this season.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/sort/assistRatio/page/2

Last season he was 35th.

He ranked 19th in points per minute last season among 2s, not very noteworthy given his lack of efficiency.

[nuposse04]

I think his point is rather that, Beal doesn't need other people to create for him as much as Porter needs other to create scoring opportunities for himself... How true that is, I don't know.

I do think porter is expanding his offense though, so perhaps eventually he can facilitate some of the offense in volume maybe 1-2 seasons from now.

[TheSecretWeapon]

In my PPA update today, Otto Porter is at 158 (where 100 is average and higher is better) -- highest mark on the team.

He currently ranks 6th in the league for SFs -- in a virtual tie for 5th with Jae Crowder.

[payitforward]

...At the risk of "going hands11" on you, I made this prediction... (etc. etc.)...

That's what I've been saying all along, that you would "go hands11." Just a matter of time before everyone came around.