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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#441 » by Jimmy Recard » Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:39 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Liked the energy but he's really small. Kept getting him confused with Booker. Although that could mean that Booker is bigger than I give him credit for...

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He looked a legit 6'9 to me.
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Post#442 » by montestewart » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:41 am

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LyricalRico wrote:Liked the energy but he's really small. Kept getting him confused with Booker. Although that could mean that Booker is bigger than I give him credit for...

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He looked a legit 6'9 to me.

And a really beefy one too. Booker's listed at 6'8" but looks shorter and smaller. I like both of them so far in their limited stints, and they may eventually add the reliable inside muscle that Wizards are usually lacking.
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Post#443 » by montestewart » Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:44 am

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The Hawks beat the Wizards in points in the paint, 26-6, in the first half. "We've been getting destroyed, points in the paint," Saunders said.

Saunders eventually called on Kevin Seraphin, who got his most extended playing time of the season and recorded six points and five rebounds in 17 minutes. Seraphin didn't shoot the ball well, as he often fired the moment he touched the ball, no matter where he was. After he missed a foul line jumper, Saunders called him over and shouted, "You don't have to shoot every time!" Seraphin nodded.

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:clap: Raw but eager to learn.

Was that the one you could hear yelled on TV? I thought a player yelled that at him.

Eager to learn and showed good instincts on a lot of plays, mostly on defense, and lots of hustle all around.
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Post#444 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:51 pm

montestewart wrote:
Mosca wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:Liked the energy but he's really small. Kept getting him confused with Booker. Although that could mean that Booker is bigger than I give him credit for...

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He looked a legit 6'9 to me.

And a really beefy one too. Booker's listed at 6'8" but looks shorter and smaller. I like both of them so far in their limited stints, and they may eventually add the reliable inside muscle that Wizards are usually lacking.


Kevin looks like he's about 6' 7 1/2" tall to me. He doesn't look 6'9". He's nowhere near C height. I bet he's not a full inch taller than Booker, who I think is 6' 6 1/2" or a legit 6' 7".

Could be Kevin's 6'8" and Booker's 6'7".
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Post#445 » by Jimmy Recard » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:01 am

I honestly don't see it. Damn, and to think that some reports before he was even drafted were saying he was 6'9 1/2 WITHOUT shoes.
Oh well, he still fills a HUGE need in our frontcourt going forward. An mobile banger with muscle who can rebound, block shots, and not afraid of contact.
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Post#446 » by Benjammin » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:11 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Kevin looks like he's about 6' 7 1/2" tall to me. He doesn't look 6'9". He's nowhere near C height. I bet he's not a full inch taller than Booker, who I think is 6' 6 1/2" or a legit 6' 7".

Could be Kevin's 6'8" and Booker's 6'7".


Sorry CCJ, I call BS on this.

Booker measured 6-7 5/8 in shoes at the scouting combine.
Seraphin measured 6-9 in shoes.

Those are not huge difference and I especially wish Kevin were a little taller, but I'm inclined to believe these measurements.

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Post#447 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:58 am

Ben, I can believe that his height with shoes is what DX said. That's really what I'm saying.

I am wrong to say he's not a full inch taller than Booker.

Perhaps it doesn't matter, though. Need to see more of him. I like that he played rough and that he threw Pachulia out of the way. That makes him play way bigger than McGee or Blatche in that respect.

If he and Booker just play hard and with some meanness who cares how tall they are? Only when they go against elites will they be abused.
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Post#448 » by bullitz » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:21 am

Seraphin is playing Howard and Gortat about as well as you can hope. I don't think his height is a problem at C.
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Post#449 » by Ruzious » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:30 am

He's a 6'9 265 lb moose with long arms, bounce, and aggressiveness. It'd be nice if he was 6'11, but he's got enough size. He kinda reminds me of Dale Davis from back in the day.
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Post#450 » by Rafael122 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:45 am

If he were 6'11'' he probably would have been a lottery pick.
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Post#451 » by dandridge 10 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:14 am

Its not saying much, but I thought Seraphin did a better job defending Howard than Armstrong and even McGee at times. Seraphin didn't allow Howard to back him down in the post.
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Post#452 » by dobrojim » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:32 am

agree - KS did a solid job. He may not be tall, but I'm not sure
in some cases, such as Howard, how much that matters.
He could be a force once he figures out the NBA, assuming
he does at some point figure it out.
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Post#453 » by Hoopalotta » Sun Nov 28, 2010 5:45 am

If anyone is seeing him as a power forward, I guess he's not short, but he's a pure center to me. That limits his potential a bit even if them long and gangly arms make up for a good bit of what he lacks in actual height (they're not actually gangly, but they look that way with how thick his trunk is). But he's in the absolute upper percentiles of that core strength that bigs use in positional battles, even at center. Even against Dwight he can hold his own.

So I don't see any way that Seraphin can't play in the Association. He actually has a fair number of nuances figured out already, at least as far as his intentions and awareness. If you just take what he's doing now and get it all up to game speed, he's not going to have all that many adjustments to make, at least without the ball in his hands.

Maybe it's a fluke, but he seems a quick study when you consider how much trouble he was getting into in those first two games with the refs (counting the 2+ minutes in Toronto). Of course he's still been fouling plenty, but they're much better fouls now.
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Post#454 » by dlts20 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:32 am

I thought he played Howard better then nearly anyone in the whole league for the time he was on him. He was physical, never went for the pump fake, and you could tell he had no fear of him. I like that. Now the question is will he look that way against everyone else who isnt named Howard. Everyone who doesnt play with brute force. Can he hang with the quicker guys? I think he deserves a look. He should get Armstrong's minutes for a few games
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Post#455 » by The Fax » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:44 am

dlts20 wrote:I thought he played Howard better then nearly anyone in the whole league for the time he was on him. He was physical, never went for the pump fake, and you could tell he had no fear of him. I like that. Now the question is will he look that way against everyone else who isnt named Howard. Everyone who doesnt play with brute force. Can he hang with the quicker guys? I think he deserves a look. He should get Armstrong's minutes for a few games


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Seraphin definitely held his own against Howard. How many people in the league can really do that? He definitely needs more minutes, if anything he needs to play when we face teams with legit post players.
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Post#456 » by jimij » Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:08 pm

Great performance by Seraphin against Howard. You could tell that Howard was a bit taken aback the first couple times he had the ball in the post against KS since he'd been having his way with all of the other Wiz big men but he first time he tried to back Kevin down, he met a brick wall which didn't move an inch.

This kid needs to get 5 or 10 minutes a night. Neck is playing reasonably well especially given his contract but since W's & L's don't matter so much this year, we need to go the player development route and let Seraphin play even if he's not as good as Armstrong right now. You can see where he has the potential to be the enforcer to go with our finesse bigs.
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Post#457 » by closg00 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:00 pm

jimij wrote:Great performance by Seraphin against Howard. You could tell that Howard was a bit taken aback the first couple times he had the ball in the post against KS since he'd been having his way with all of the other Wiz big men but he first time he tried to back Kevin down, he met a brick wall which didn't move an inch.

This kid needs to get 5 or 10 minutes a night. Neck is playing reasonably well especially given his contract but since W's & L's don't matter so much this year, we need to go the player development route and let Seraphin play even if he's not as good as Armstrong right now. You can see where he has the potential to be the enforcer to go with our finesse bigs.


:nod: The same thing was said about JaVale last-year when JaVale was riding the pine. Kevin can learn the NBA ropes much quicker by getting some playing-time along with practice and coaching. He would learn even faster with a big-an coach.
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Post#458 » by fishercob » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:00 pm

I can't recall a guy so raw that showed so many (seemingly clear) signs of success. He's got awesome footwork for a guy his size. He's just unbelievably light on his feet. He's got the building blocks for reliable baby hooks with both hands. That footwork is going to turn into some nice post moves. The fact that he's already holding his ground and keeping his feet against DH12 is simply awesome.

There was the one play where he did an amazing job pushing howard way off the block, but then made the mistake of influencing him to his right and giving up the baseline. That will improve for sure.

Seems to have a great attitude appropriate disposition -- jovial and encouraging with teammates, unyielding and surly with opponents.

Very encouraging night from KSera.
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Post#459 » by fishercob » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:05 pm

closg00 wrote:
jimij wrote:Great performance by Seraphin against Howard. You could tell that Howard was a bit taken aback the first couple times he had the ball in the post against KS since he'd been having his way with all of the other Wiz big men but he first time he tried to back Kevin down, he met a brick wall which didn't move an inch.

This kid needs to get 5 or 10 minutes a night. Neck is playing reasonably well especially given his contract but since W's & L's don't matter so much this year, we need to go the player development route and let Seraphin play even if he's not as good as Armstrong right now. You can see where he has the potential to be the enforcer to go with our finesse bigs.


:nod: The same thing was said about JaVale last-year when JaVale was riding the pine. Kevin can learn the NBA ropes much quicker by getting some playing-time along with practice and coaching. He would learn even faster with a big-an coach.


Pathetic.

If you haven't noticed, Javale is playing by far the best basketball of his brief career right now. Are you really taking the position that that's all despite the coaching staff and not because of it? The Wizards have a big man coach -- Gene Banks. He just doesn't happy to be big or famous. That doesn't make him unqualified. Red Auerbach, anyone?

I hope Kevin continues to earn time on the court and do the most he can with the opportunity. I hope nothing is handed to him because he's talented.
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Re: Kevin Seraphin 

Post#460 » by JonathanJoseph » Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:51 pm

fishercob wrote:I can't recall a guy so raw that showed so many (seemingly clear) signs of success. He's got awesome footwork for a guy his size. He's just unbelievably light on his feet. He's got the building blocks for reliable baby hooks with both hands. That footwork is going to turn into some nice post moves. The fact that he's already holding his ground and keeping his feet against DH12 is simply awesome.

There was the one play where he did an amazing job pushing howard way off the block, but then made the mistake of influencing him to his right and giving up the baseline. That will improve for sure.

Seems to have a great attitude appropriate disposition -- jovial and encouraging with teammates, unyielding and surly with opponents.

Very encouraging night from KSera.

+1 seraphin is not far from being an outstanding post defender. There is no question that he was more than respectable in holding his own against the biggest beast since Shaq in his prime.
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