2012 NBA Draft - Part V

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MKG didn't come off as articulate or bright to me.

Be aware that MK-G has a speech problem. He's articulate and voluble in daily life. Can't talk well in interview situations, etc.

He is described as very bright and articulate. Smart, low-key, but convincing. Great kid -- but I want Beal all the same!

[Jay81]

thats the sad state of the wizards.....we actually need Thomas Robinson,MKG and Beal...and maybe even Drummond #lotsofholes

[jangles86]

thats the sad state of the wizards.....we actually need Thomas Robinson,MKG and Beal...and maybe even Drummond #lotsofholes

That's why we shouldnt be totally discounting Drummond. He can fill a spot and be a difference maker, probably the most potential in the draft.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

MKG didn't come off as articulate or bright to me.

Be aware that MK-G has a speech problem. He's articulate and voluble in daily life. Can't talk well in interview situations, etc.

He is described as very bright and articulate. Smart, low-key, but convincing. Great kid -- but I want Beal all the same!

Thank you for telling me this because I did not know. I feel bad about that conclusion I reached.

NOW I have been informed by you and others that Kidd-Gilchrist doesn't speak publicly for a reason. I won't leap to any more conclusions about his intelligence or make inferences about his ability improve his shot in the future. I apologize to anybody that has not liked the conclusions I reach but know that they at times are just perception or first impression on guys. MKG was pretty sporadic at times offensively, but he did rebound almost as well as Terrence Jones and he got to the line a lot, just like Jones. I am concerned about his jumper but I won't be unhappy at all if he is the pick.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

thats the sad state of the wizards.....we actually need Thomas Robinson,MKG and Beal...and maybe even Drummond #lotsofholes

That's why we shouldnt be totally discounting Drummond. He can fill a spot and be a difference maker, probably the most potential in the draft.

I had a thought. Would I rather have this Wizard roster or would I rather have: Lillard, Beal, MKG, Robinson, and Drummond? Easy, I would take the five from this draft!

I think these guys are all pretty decent. I down talk Barnes, Jones, Drummond, and Austin Rivers but it is not like these guys are not each very talented in their own way. Each of them would bring something the Wizards do not have. The only one I really don't like as a player is Rivers. Barnes just does not thrill me, but if he's a Calbert Cheaney/Jarvis Hayes player that is still a solid pro for a while. He's probably better than Hayes. Drummond was just a freshman. Perry Jones could be a Lamar Odom with the right coach. Jones certainly can do some things Jan Vesely or Chris Singleton cannot do with the ball in his hands. The Wizards need talent and each guy mentioned has talent. Drummond can probably rebound better than Seraphin. So, it is not like he cannot play.

[sfam]

thats the sad state of the wizards.....we actually need Thomas Robinson,MKG and Beal...and maybe even Drummond #lotsofholes

That's why we shouldnt be totally discounting Drummond. He can fill a spot and be a difference maker, probably the most potential in the draft.

I had a thought. Would I rather have this Wizard roster or would I rather have: Lillard, Beal, MKG, Robinson, and Drummond? Easy, I would take the five from this draft!

I think these guys are all pretty decent. I down talk Barnes, Jones, Drummond, and Austin Rivers but it is not like these guys are not each very talented in their own way. Each of them would bring something the Wizards do not have. The only one I really don't like as a player is Rivers. Barnes just does not thrill me, but if he's a Calbert Cheaney/Jarvis Hayes player that is still a solid pro for a while. He's probably better than Hayes. Drummond was just a freshman. Perry Jones could be a Lamar Odom with the right coach. Jones certainly can do some things Jan Vesely or Chris Singleton cannot do with the ball in his hands. The Wizards need talent and each guy mentioned has talent. Drummond can probably rebound better than Seraphin. So, it is not like he cannot play.

The great part about this is whomever we get will be an improvement for us. We can all grouse over who we want, bu the chances are good that the pick we get at #3 will make a difference in the win column for us (perhaps next year if its Drummond). We're really just arguing over who will help us the most, not whether Beal or MKG completely sucks.

[FAH1223]

yeah its much better than last year when we all knew Vesley would be the pick and that he sucks

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yeah its much better than last year when we all knew Vesley would be the pick and that he sucks

Vesely doesn't suck, not at all. He looks like he'll be a good player. All the same, we didn't have a very good draft, given that Leonard looks like an outstanding NBA player. And picking Singleton when Faried was on the board... what a bad decision!

[FAH1223]

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we get a look at Drummond on Monday

[theboomking]

I got invited too, but I couldn't go because I was at lunch with Obama.

I know a guy who works at Verizon man, I ain't BSing ya'll. He texted me Tuesday to come down... I was like sure.

I was just kidding. Your story wasn't impausible. In fact, it seems much more likely than CCJ having dated a bunch of hot women, or Nivek having played basketball with Bobby Sura

yeah its much better than last year when we all knew Vesley would be the pick and that he sucks

I spent a ton of time after last year's draft trying to make myself like the pick. Not easy. I'm sure we could have given up McGee and change for the 5th pick. It is going to hurt if the other JV turns out to be very, very good.

What do you guys make of us bringing in Rivers, who is rumoured to have a lotto promise, Ross? It looks like we are definitely thinking about moving back up into the 1st. Should this be a clue that we are thinking about grabbing MKG and a shooter?

[sfam]

yeah its much better than last year when we all knew Vesley would be the pick and that he sucks

Vesely doesn't suck, not at all. He looks like he'll be a good player. All the same, we didn't have a very good draft, given that Leonard looks like an outstanding NBA player. And picking Singleton when Faried was on the board... what a bad decision!

I was OK with the Vesely pick the day he was drafted and still am. I think he's going to turn out to be a fine player - someone that does have the intangibles that help us win. I do think his shot will start falling this year as well.

[closg00]

Wanna take bets on Vesely's shots falling this year? Ves has playing pro-ball since he was 16, we've seen the extent on his game -nice, hustle/energy player with no offensive game.

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"Kidd-Gilchrist... now appears to be ahead of Bradley Beal on Washington's board according to reports we've received."

Smoke? Or smoke signal...?

[theboomking]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y-sports-draftexpress-2012-nba-mock-draft-no-235200883--nba.html;_ylt=Av3BqzBFh0N3HREV6xyW.zu8vLYF

"Kidd-Gilchrist... now appears to be ahead of Bradley Beal on Washington's board according to reports we've received."

Smoke? Or smoke signal...?

Smoke. I don't think EG is capable of a smoke signal. Either that or the organization is just leaky on a lot of other levels.

[dobrojim]

Pass on MKG and you may be passing on drafting an Igoudala/G. Wallace type player. Pass on Beal and you may be passing on drafting a Wade/Harden type player.

+1

[nate33]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y-sports-draftexpress-2012-nba-mock-draft-no-235200883--nba.html;_ylt=Av3BqzBFh0N3HREV6xyW.zu8vLYF

"Kidd-Gilchrist... now appears to be ahead of Bradley Beal on Washington's board according to reports we've received."

Smoke? Or smoke signal...?

Smoke. I don't think EG is capable of a smoke signal. Either that or the organization is just leaky on a lot of other levels.

Not true. EG typically does a pretty good job of misdirection and obfuscation. If anything, his problem is that he is too overt about it. Whatever guy he downplays the most is probably the guy he wants.

The lone exception was the Vesely pick. Chad Ford had that one pegged really early.

[fishercob]

Wanna take bets on Vesely's shots falling this year? Ves has playing pro-ball since he was 16, we've seen the extent on his game -nice, hustle/energy player with no offensive game.

that's a typical closg00 overstatement/ oversimplification. He shot 30-some percent from 3 with partizan.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Pass on MKG and you may be passing on drafting an Igoudala/G. Wallace type player. Pass on Beal and you may be passing on drafting a Wade/Harden type player.

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Yep, best short and sweet comparison IMO DCZ that I have seen. I would also include best prime (before the drama) Artest in the MKG comparison. He can become all-world good defensively.

[dobrojim]

Its funny how adament some people are on this board about who is the better player out of Beal, MKG and Robinson. Bottom line is nobody on this board knows what type of player Beal, MKG or Robinson will become. Beal could be the next Wade or could be the next Randy Foye. MKG could be the next Gerald Wallace/Shawn Marion or the next Chris Singleton. Robinson could be the next David West or the next Tyler Hansborough/Trevor Booker. Who knows. I recall people knocking Harden coming out of college because he was not "athletic" and could struggle getting to the rim. Turns out they were flat out wrong.

My preference is Beal, Robinson and then MKG in that order only because I think all three have about equal potential/intangibles, but Beal and Robinson would fill a bigger need. But, it wouldn't shock me if MKG was the best out of the three. I'm just glad I don't have to make the decision, because notwithstanding all the "experts" on this board, it is really a crapshoot between the 3 on who is going to be the better player in the long run.

+1 although I sorta disagree about which of TRob/MKG fills a bigger need. You say
TRob who I think we can agree will be a 4. I think between the 3 and 4, we have a
bigger hole to fill or put another way, more room to improve, at the 3. I also think
MKG, a 3, probably has higher ceiling whereas TRob has a higher floor than MKG.

I really hope we end up with Beal. I think he will be an ideal running mate to
Wall in the medium to long term future ie 3-5 years.

so with Beal, MKG and TRob projecting as a 2, 3, and 4 respectively, I think the
need based valuation is the same order, 2, 3 then 4. TRob's best asset is rebounding
which is a definite need. But Beal could actually help address that from the backcourt.

I think your essential point though about it being a crapshoot is dead on. We won't know
for a while who was right. I feel the same about Vesely right now. I think it's quite possible
that in 2-4 years, 3-4 teams might be wondering why they passed on him. He's got
great intangibles and instincts and he plays really hard. Just like MKG.

[nate33]

I kind of agree with closg00's assessment of Vesely. I really don't think he's going to develop much of an offensive game. He may get to the point where we don't cringe when he shoots a 17-footer or a free throw, but it'll be a shot we don't particularly want to see come out of our offense very much. It might feel about like how I feel when Anderson Varajeo or Joakim Noah takes a jumper.

That doesn't mean I don't think he could pan out to be a starter though. Particularly when playing alongside either Nene or Seraphin.