Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[gesa2]

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I hope it turns into a + for the team rather than a clean-up.

We’re not using cap room this year, no reason to clean anything up. We might not get much of anything for him but I can’t imagine we’d be willing to sweeten a deal to get him off the roster.

[payitforward]

Thank you. Whitmore, Mathurin, Jalen Green, Miles Bridges, etc.... STAY AWAY. Their physical tools and youth have tricked people into thinking they are actually good players. They arent. Slashing wings with inconsistent shooting, poor defense, low IQ, poor feel/vision, etc.

Every once in a while one of these guys figures it out.

I loved Mathurin coming out of Ariz. Thought he’d be a star. He really hasn’t lived up to my expectations. But what I liked most about Ben at Ariz. was his mental and physical toughness, and how he stepped up when the lights were the brightest. We’re seeing those things now during the NBA finals.

Agreed. I questioned him, but he's established himself at a high level with his play in this series.

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Very high hopes on a Durant trade involving us. Definitely could see us working our way into a Spurs or Rockets trade. Not sure how it might work with the Heat. Maybe on the margins with Kispert.

We need to leverage those pick swaps with Phoenix somehow. Time for Dawkins and Winger to earn their money.

[gambitx777]

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Very high hopes on a Durant trade involving us. Definitely could see us working our way into a Spurs or Rockets trade. Not sure how it might work with the Heat. Maybe on the margins with Kispert.

We need to leverage those pick swaps with Phoenix somehow. Time for Dawkins and Winger to earn their money.

I wouldn't mind turning the swaps into something but I don't see a place for us in a KD trade with the spurs

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[The Consiglieri]

I don't want to leverage those pick swaps for anything. The Suns are going to hit a brick wall HARD the next year or two, the pick swaps are not movable unless we get something absurdly valuable for them, like top 3 pick in a loaded draft valuable, which I cannot see happening. Keep the swaps.

[tsvqt]

Greetings & Happy Father's Day to those applicable!
So, with the Desmond Bane trade to Orlando, I think this gives a good measuring stick for the cost of other moves.
What does a Poole haul land us, if we do move him?

[closg00]

Insane Bane Trade

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I would've happily traded Poole for two firsts and the same salary filler. Bane has a lot of $ left on his contract. Maybe Orlando valued the fact that Bane has a longer deal?

[dckingsfan]

Teams that may want to trade up using multiple picks

OKC - 15 & 24; competition is Utah and Phoenix (Durant)
Brooklyn - don't see it - maybe 26 & 27 to move up into the teens
Magic - off the table

[dckingsfan]

I would've happily traded Poole for two firsts and the same salary filler. Bane has a lot of $ left on his contract. Maybe Orlando valued the fact that Bane has a longer deal?

Yeah, I think it was an overpay. But I also think that Bane is a MUCH better player than Poole and a better fit since he is a two-way player.

I think a combination of Suggs & Bane is a better play. But damn, that is a lot of picks.

[WallToWall]

If the Bane deal sets the bar, the there is not reason why Poole cant return 2 FRPs in trade.
IMO, they overpaid for Bane, but I'm happy to see the bar set there.

[NatP4]

If the Bane deal sets the bar, the there is not reason why Poole cant return 2 FRPs in trade.
IMO, they overpaid for Bane, but I'm happy to see the bar set there.

Bane is a top 50 player in the league, in his prime, signed for the next 5 years.

[PaulinVA]

Insane Bane Trade

Insane in the Mem(phis) Bane?

[keynote]

I would've happily traded Poole for two firsts and the same salary filler. Bane has a lot of $ left on his contract. Maybe Orlando valued the fact that Bane has a longer deal?

Yeah, I think it was an overpay. But I also think that Bane is a MUCH better player than Poole and a better fit since he is a two-way player.

I think a combination of Suggs & Bane is a better play. But damn, that is a lot of picks.

Bane puts forth more consistent effort on D, but it's not like he's an elite stopper.

I think Poole is a better fit for Orlando: he's a better distributor than Bane, and they're better equipped to compensate for his defensive deficiencies than for Bane's lack of PG skills.

Poole is also cheaper and on a shorter deal.

[NatP4]

That is a crazy take. Poole has 2.5 seasons of being a slightly above average player. Most of his career, he’s been a net negative player.

We’ll be lucky to get a single 1st round pick back in a trade for Poole. I could see the argument of four 1sts for Bane vs one for Poole.

[dckingsfan]

I would've happily traded Poole for two firsts and the same salary filler. Bane has a lot of $ left on his contract. Maybe Orlando valued the fact that Bane has a longer deal?

Yeah, I think it was an overpay. But I also think that Bane is a MUCH better player than Poole and a better fit since he is a two-way player.

I think a combination of Suggs & Bane is a better play. But damn, that is a lot of picks.

Bane puts forth more consistent effort on D, but it's not like he's an elite stopper.

I think Poole is a better fit for Orlando: he's a better distributor than Bane, and they're better equipped to compensate for his defensive deficiencies than for Bane's lack of PG skills.

Poole is also cheaper and on a shorter deal.

Your thinking vs. the Magic FO thinking. Bane is very much a plus defender and Poole - definitely not so much. Bane is also a better distributor, not by a lot but... and especially if you look over the past two years.

To recap, a better defender (by a lot), a better distributor (by a little) and a slightly better scorer with a much lower usage rate. He fits really well, IMO.

The only thing - it is very much an overpay (IMO).

[nate33]

I think acquiring Poole at a cost of just one FRP would have been better for Orlando than acquiring Bane at a cost of 4 FRP's. Bane is a much better defender, but that is somewhat offset by Poole's superior ball-handling and ability to run primary PnR actions. Also, Bane's price tag is pretty darn steep. He is making $40M a year over the next 4 years, which is going to make it hard for Orlando to keep enough talent around their core.

Bane reminds me a bit of Beal in that he is a very good player, but not quite good enough to be paid a max salary. If Bane is your second-best guy, you are a first round exit. And if he is your third-best guy, you will probably have salary cap problems.

[dckingsfan]

I think acquiring Poole at a cost of just one FRP would have been better for Orlando than acquiring Bane at a cost of 4 FRP's. Bane is a much better defender, but that is somewhat offset by Poole's superior ball-handling and ability to run primary PnR actions. Also, Bane's price tag is pretty darn steep. He is making $40M a year over the next 4 years, which is going to make it hard for Orlando to keep enough talent around their core.

Bane reminds me a bit of Beal in that he is a very good player, but not quite good enough to be paid a max salary. If Bane is your second-best guy, you are a first round exit. And if he is your third-best guy, you will probably have salary cap problems.

Bane will be the Magic's 3rd best player, will it be enough?
Agreed - Magic overpaid for Bane, I think it was a bad long-term trade

Poole << Bane (opinion)
Pool doesn't move Orlando forward, IMO
Magic trading for Poole wouldn't be a good move either, IMO

As far as Poole goes, the competition was Simons. I think that the Magic just didn't want to with one-way players (opinion with no fact). They have one of the best defenses in the league and wanted to build on that. They see Suggs/Bane as a good fit. Are they right?

[J-Ves]

If the Bane deal sets the bar, the there is not reason why Poole cant return 2 FRPs in trade.
IMO, they overpaid for Bane, but I'm happy to see the bar set there.

I doubt it sets any bar. Its a desperation move by the magic, a team seemingly going nowhere but has the hope/delusion of youth on their side. Poole is not getting more than a single first and a few seconds in a deal

[TGW]

Poole is getting no firsts. You all are hilariously delusional. He’s barely neutral value.