Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[LyricalRico]

I would not call Embid and picks scraps, Plus what good would an un happy Griffin do for the 76ERs. Beal would be much better for them because he fits a need, They don't need big men, Blake just cowds up their front court more

I don't consider Embiid to have any value until he proves he can actually play basketball again, and not need his foot amputated at some point. And a 3-big rotation of Okafor/Griffin/Noel could be darn good. You do have a point about Griffin not being happy with the move.

Beal for blake makes tons of sense, I think we could get griffin on our own we just need to give up a little more

<snip>

would you do,
NENE, Beal, Gooden, Blair, 2017 unprotected first,
for
Blake and crawford?

The problem with doing a trade on our own for blake like I said we use up more assets and we don't have anyone to hold us over till he comes back from the hand injury. Unless we make another deal somewhere.

You're right about the hand for this season, but I would absolutely do that for the future. We could even flip Crawford at the deadline to a contender to regain a 2017 pick.

[fishercob]

would you do,
NENE, Beal, Gooden, Blair, 2017 unprotected first,
for
Blake and crawford?

The problem with doing a trade on our own for blake like I said we use up more assets and we don't have anyone to hold us over till he comes back from the hand injury. Unless we make another deal somewhere.

I would do that faster than a John Wall missed layup.

Yeah, it's a wildly lopsided trade in our favor. Also, why in the world would the Clippers want Beal?

They wouldn't. If the CLips got the idea in their head that they were better off improving their depth/diversifying than keeping Blake, we could offer, Otto, Dudley, Nene, and Sessions for Blake and Lance. We could add 2 picks two as far as I'm concerned.

Jordan, Nene, and Aldrich at center
Redick, Otto, Pierce, Dudley at wings
CP3 and Sessions as PG's (and they could play together).

Mbah a Moute, Wes Johnson, and Prigioni round out their depth. Austin RIvers goes to his room without dessert.

Still can't see that team getting by Golden State, but maybe Pierce could sell Doc.

[deneem4]

Cousins is better.

He scored more points and grabbed more rebounds than all other NBA players in January.

His team is over .500 with him and only has 1 win without him. (Every year the Kings have won a higher percentage with him).

He's about to be a two-time all star.

He was just NBA player of the week.

He's winning his C matchup MORE than DeAndre Jordan and all Cs in relative plus minus.

His greatest achievement is COACHES and MEDIA vote him in to the all star game when hater fans who cannot admit they were wrong don't or can't.

The only thing stopping cousins from being arguably the 2nd best player in the league right now is his record...but honestly(and I'm a Davis fan) when Davis was putting up stats like this previously, he was considered.....

Im sorry guys, but I dont see it...at all. Cousins has immense talent, but calling him the best Center or 2nd best playing in the league is ridiculous.

- His WS/48 has declined each of the last three years and is behind Howard, Jordan, and Whiteside.
- Cousins career eFg% is 46% and he has never been above 50% in any season.
- Howard is a career 58% eFg and has never been below 52%. DeAndre career is 67% and has never been below 60%. Whiteside has averaged 62% the last two years

Now I know he gets to the line quite a bit and shoots it at a solid 73% clip from the strip, but even that doesnt help as his TS among active Centers is far from elite.

There are 27 active centers that have averaged 20+ minutes and have a career TS higher than Boogie (52%). Some of those in the top 10 are very familiar (Especially number 10 ):

1: Tyson Chandler - 0.644
2: DeAndre Jordan - 0.622
3: Hassan Whiteside - 0.611
4: Rudy Gobert - 0.609
5: Jonas Valanciunas - 0.602
6: Dwight Howard - 0.601
7: Andris Biedrins - 0.592 (Obviously not counting)
8: Andrew Bynum - 0.592 (Same as above)
9: Robin Lopez - 0.574
10: Marcin Gortat - 0.573
.............
28: DeMarcus Cousins - 0.526

Not 1 guy on that top is a top scoring Option....most of those guys are told to rebound for put backs or low post looks...they're rarely told to shoot a 3, get the ball in Iso or create a shot out the post..
Cousins is versatile offensively...a good rebounding and or defensive center can limit these guys...
U can't stop cousins...there's not too many big guys that can give you 30/10 a night...maybe the old Dwight but this team was made for him to do that...

[nate33]

Okay Ted. We are 3 full games out of 8th place (and 3.5 games out of 7th which is what matters since we're not going to beat Cleveland in the 1st round). We face a guaranteed loss tomorrow night against Golden State while Indy, the 8th place team, will likely win their next game against New Jersey. So by tomorrow night we will be a full 4 games out of 8th place (and probably 4.5 games out of 7th place) with only 35 games to go. To get to 44 wins, we will need to go 23-11 down the stretch - equivalent to a 55-win team.

It's not gonna happen.

It's time to plan for some mid-season trades. Trade away our good expiring vets (Dudley, Sessions, Nene) for whatever we can get. That helps us in 3 ways: we acquire future assets; we tank for a higher pick; and we give Oubre more burn.

Any chance we can get Aaron White in a uniform?

[TGW]

Obviously I'd love to get Horford, but I don't think I'd be willing to give up anything of consequence. Boston sounds as though they're going to offer the moon.

[Dark Faze]

Looks like Al Horford could be an option at PF for us next year? Not sure how much that would move the needle for us though. Sounds like a forever treadmill.

[dckingsfan]

Yep, fat lady is warming up on this season. Not sure if we have anyone that a front-runner might take... I would think any picks or young players would be of interest.

[fishercob]

Okay Ted. We are 3 full games out of 8th place (and 3.5 games out of 7th which is what matters since we're not going to beat Cleveland in the 1st round). We face a guaranteed loss tomorrow night against Golden State while Indy, the 8th place team, will likely win their next game against New Jersey. So by tomorrow night we will be a full 4 games out of 8th place (and probably 4.5 games out of 7th place) with only 35 games to go. To get to 44 wins, we will need to go 23-11 down the stretch - equivalent to a 55-win team.

It's not gonna happen.

It's time to plan for some mid-season trades. Trade away our good expiring vets (Dudley, Sessions, Nene) for whatever we can get. That helps us in 3 ways: we acquire future assets; we tank for a higher pick; and we give Oubre more burn.

Any chance we can get Aaron White in a uniform?

I agree with all of this with one clarification: 8th place is a disaster; there's no value in getting our asses kicked by Cleveland. To having any chance we'd have to get to 7th or 6th. And while the Wiz have had some playoff success against TOronto and Chicago, we and they are very different now. We're screwed.

[nate33]

Looks like Al Horford could be an option at PF for us next year? Not sure how much that would move the needle for us though. Sounds like a forever treadmill.

As a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, Horford holds no value for us. Only a contender would sacrifice any significant value for him. I wonder if Toronto might consider a Valanciunas for Horford swap?

But the good news is that it certainly appears that Atlanta is assuming Horford is departing. He could be a target for us in the offseason.

[nate33]

Okay Ted. We are 3 full games out of 8th place (and 3.5 games out of 7th which is what matters since we're not going to beat Cleveland in the 1st round). We face a guaranteed loss tomorrow night against Golden State while Indy, the 8th place team, will likely win their next game against New Jersey. So by tomorrow night we will be a full 4 games out of 8th place (and probably 4.5 games out of 7th place) with only 35 games to go. To get to 44 wins, we will need to go 23-11 down the stretch - equivalent to a 55-win team.

It's not gonna happen.

It's time to plan for some mid-season trades. Trade away our good expiring vets (Dudley, Sessions, Nene) for whatever we can get. That helps us in 3 ways: we acquire future assets; we tank for a higher pick; and we give Oubre more burn.

Any chance we can get Aaron White in a uniform?

I agree with all of this with one clarification: 8th place is a disaster; there's no value in getting our asses kicked by Cleveland. To having any chance we'd have to get to 7th or 6th. And while the Wiz have had some playoff success against TOronto and Chicago, we and they are very different now. We're screwed.

Agreed. It's why I made 44 wins the target and not 43. I think 44 wins probably puts us in a tie for 7th place.

[Ruzious]

Looks like Al Horford could be an option at PF for us next year? Not sure how much that would move the needle for us though. Sounds like a forever treadmill.

As a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, Horford holds no value for us. Only a contender would sacrifice any significant value for him. I wonder if Toronto might consider a Valanciunas for Horford swap?

But the good news is that it certainly appears that Atlanta is assuming Horford is departing. He could be a target for us in the offseason.

I'd love to get Horford, but we're going to have plenty of competition.

Re Aaron White, I think he's strictly a Euro player. He's ordinary or worse at everything and doesn't have a skill that sticks out and is a below average athlete for the NBA. When it became clear that he wouldn't have been the Wiz pick except for the fact that he'd agree to play in Europe, that made things pretty clear how the Wiz are able to creatively find ways to waste 2nd round picks.

[nate33]

Looks like Al Horford could be an option at PF for us next year? Not sure how much that would move the needle for us though. Sounds like a forever treadmill.

As a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, Horford holds no value for us. Only a contender would sacrifice any significant value for him. I wonder if Toronto might consider a Valanciunas for Horford swap?

But the good news is that it certainly appears that Atlanta is assuming Horford is departing. He could be a target for us in the offseason.

I'd love to get Horford, but we're going to have plenty of competition.

Re Aaron White, I think he's strictly a Euro player. He's ordinary or worse at everything and doesn't have a skill that sticks out and is a below average athlete for the NBA. When it became clear that he wouldn't have been the Wiz pick except for the fact that he'd agree to play in Europe, that made things pretty clear how the Wiz are able to creatively find ways to waste 2nd round picks.

I thought he looked pretty darn athletic in college. His issue is that he must become a much better shooter. But I agree with your general premise that he is unlikely to be much of an NBA player. He might be a journeyman someday, but nothing more.

[Dark Faze]

Hypothetically speaking if we bring in Horford and bring back Brad--can't say I'd be super happy with the core. I'd acutally consider packaging both Porter and Oubre in that case for a potential all-star SF--simply because we're running out of time to wait and see if guys can develop into special players at this point.

[Ruzious]

As a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, Horford holds no value for us. Only a contender would sacrifice any significant value for him. I wonder if Toronto might consider a Valanciunas for Horford swap?

But the good news is that it certainly appears that Atlanta is assuming Horford is departing. He could be a target for us in the offseason.

I'd love to get Horford, but we're going to have plenty of competition.

Re Aaron White, I think he's strictly a Euro player. He's ordinary or worse at everything and doesn't have a skill that sticks out and is a below average athlete for the NBA. When it became clear that he wouldn't have been the Wiz pick except for the fact that he'd agree to play in Europe, that made things pretty clear how the Wiz are able to creatively find ways to waste 2nd round picks.

I thought he looked pretty darn athletic in college. His issue is that he must become a much better shooter. But I agree with your general premise that he is unlikely to be much of an NBA player. He might be a journeyman someday, but nothing more.

Maybe it's the racist in me talking, but while he was more athletic than he looked like at first glance, he was below average for the NBA.

[Ruzious]

Hypothetically speaking if we bring in Horford and bring back Brad--can't say I'd be super happy with the core. I'd acutally consider packaging both Porter and Oubre in that case for a potential all-star SF--simply because we're running out of time to wait and see if guys can develop into special players at this point.

People underrate Horford. Atlanta won 60 games last year, and I think he was their best player. We can put together a relatively equal ensemble to theirs - with Wall, Beal, Otto, and Gortat.

[payitforward]

Looks like Al Horford could be an option at PF for us next year? Not sure how much that would move the needle for us though. Sounds like a forever treadmill.

As a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, Horford holds no value for us. Only a contender would sacrifice any significant value for him. I wonder if Toronto might consider a Valanciunas for Horford swap?

But the good news is that it certainly appears that Atlanta is assuming Horford is departing. He could be a target for us in the offseason.

Oh I'm sure Atlanta would be *delighted* to trade Horford to us for a couple of R1 picks, and I'm mortally afraid that the resident genius would eat up a trade like that.

We've been building with bandaids for several years now; it has to stop.

[nate33]

Looks like Al Horford could be an option at PF for us next year? Not sure how much that would move the needle for us though. Sounds like a forever treadmill.

As a soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, Horford holds no value for us. Only a contender would sacrifice any significant value for him. I wonder if Toronto might consider a Valanciunas for Horford swap?

But the good news is that it certainly appears that Atlanta is assuming Horford is departing. He could be a target for us in the offseason.

Oh I'm sure Atlanta would be *delighted* to trade Horford to us for a couple of R1 picks, and I'm mortally afraid that the resident genius would eat up a trade like that.

We've been building with bandaids for several years now; it has to stop.

No. EG wouldn't give up two 1sts for a guy who was destined to be an unrestricted free agent in a market with 25 under-the-cap teams.

I realize he gave up a 1st for Gortat, but that was different. We had him for a whole year, not 35 games, and the market the following offseason was such that there was only 1 other realistic suitor for him. The only other under-the-cap teams were in rebuilding mode.

[Dark Faze]

Hypothetically speaking if we bring in Horford and bring back Brad--can't say I'd be super happy with the core. I'd acutally consider packaging both Porter and Oubre in that case for a potential all-star SF--simply because we're running out of time to wait and see if guys can develop into special players at this point.

People underrate Horford. Atlanta won 60 games last year, and I think he was their best player. We can put together a relatively equal ensemble to theirs - with Wall, Beal, Otto, and Gortat.

There's hope at least. I didnt think the Hawks would let him get away

[gambitx777]

I would not call Embid and picks scraps, Plus what good would an un happy Griffin do for the 76ERs. Beal would be much better for them because he fits a need, They don't need big men, Blake just cowds up their front court more

I don't consider Embiid to have any value until he proves he can actually play basketball again, and not need his foot amputated at some point. And a 3-big rotation of Okafor/Griffin/Noel could be darn good. You do have a point about Griffin not being happy with the move.

Beal for blake makes tons of sense, I think we could get griffin on our own we just need to give up a little more

<snip>

would you do,
NENE, Beal, Gooden, Blair, 2017 unprotected first,
for
Blake and crawford?

The problem with doing a trade on our own for blake like I said we use up more assets and we don't have anyone to hold us over till he comes back from the hand injury. Unless we make another deal somewhere.

You're right about the hand for this season, but I would absolutely do that for the future. We could even flip Crawford at the deadline to a contender to regain a 2017 pick.

We don't know how bad the situation with Blake and the team is, and again they are winning without him. he clearly does not fit in with the team that well. Plus his hand and his salary and his past injuries, all of that lowers his value.
I think
NENE, Beal, Hump and Blair/Neal/Gooden. Plus a 2017 first unprotected
for Blake and Crawford
would be more than enough.

[Ruzious]

I would not call Embid and picks scraps, Plus what good would an un happy Griffin do for the 76ERs. Beal would be much better for them because he fits a need, They don't need big men, Blake just cowds up their front court more

I don't consider Embiid to have any value until he proves he can actually play basketball again, and not need his foot amputated at some point. And a 3-big rotation of Okafor/Griffin/Noel could be darn good. You do have a point about Griffin not being happy with the move.

Beal for blake makes tons of sense, I think we could get griffin on our own we just need to give up a little more

<snip>

would you do,
NENE, Beal, Gooden, Blair, 2017 unprotected first,
for
Blake and crawford?

The problem with doing a trade on our own for blake like I said we use up more assets and we don't have anyone to hold us over till he comes back from the hand injury. Unless we make another deal somewhere.

You're right about the hand for this season, but I would absolutely do that for the future. We could even flip Crawford at the deadline to a contender to regain a 2017 pick.

We don't know how bad the situation with Blake and the team is, and again they are winning without him. he clearly does not fit in with the team that well. Plus his hand and his salary and his past injuries, all of that lowers his value.
I think
NENE, Beal, Hump and Blair/Neal/Gooden. Plus a 2017 first unprotected
for Blake and Crawford
would be more than enough.

No, you'd be getting a phenom for essentially just Beal (who they'd have to overpay to keep) and a pick. Beal's no better than Redick at this point, so what would be their motivation? They'd want forwards in return for Blake.