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Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#841 » by LyricalRico » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:17 pm

7-Day Dray wrote:WHAT?!? Why do we have to trade Blatche if we draft Kanter?


It has nothing to do with drafting Kanter. It has more to do with Toronto still needing a big. Hey, we might even be able to get two seconds!

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Is it selling low? Absolutely. Why am I willing, even eager, to do it? Because this isn't a situation where external factors are driving the value down. Blatche's value is low because of Blatche, and he hasn't done anything to prove that next year will be any different. So if we can get ANYTHING for him, it's a plus IMO because he will be off the team.
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#842 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:17 pm

Btw, if Vesely is 240, he's the skinniest 240 since Jared Jeffries.
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#843 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:30 pm

Ruzious wrote:Btw, if Vesely is 240, he's the skinniest 240 since Jared Jeffries.


..and with the same shooting ability *Cymbal Crash* :)
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#844 » by Ruzious » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:32 pm

closg00 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Btw, if Vesely is 240, he's the skinniest 240 since Jared Jeffries.


..and with the same shooting ability *Cymbal Crash* :)

All that's missing is the O face. It's something to shoot for. <rimshot>
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#845 » by Severn Hoos » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:53 pm

6th is bad enough in this draft but it's even worse for the Wiz. Why? Because the top 6 prospects (going on my informal consensus mock draft compilation) are: Irving, Williams, Kanter, Knight, Valanciunas, and Walker. So - one PF/SF who will definitely be gone before #6, two Cs and three PGs. And assuming the Wiz don't trade McGee (thus committing to him on some level), the ONLY two positions they can look at and feel fairly set are..... PG and C.

So whoever falls out of the top 6 is almost certain to duplicate one of the few positions of strength for the team.

And to make matters worse, PG and C are the two positions where it is most difficult to platoon or slide guys over. Kidd/Barea notwithstanding, two PGs on the court for extended time is only marginally better than playing two QBs in football. And while PFs often masquerade as Cs in this league, having two actual Cs play together just doesn't work out too well, unless one of them has such an unusual skillset that he's not really a C in the first place (a la Duncan).

FWIW, I think/hope that Kanter can be enough of a PF to avoid that difficulty, and would be ecstatic for the Wiz to pick him. I think he could play enough time at PF next to McGee to alleviate that problem. Jonas, on the other hand....not so much.

So hold on to 6. Wait for Kanter. If he's not there, start shopping whoever's left (maybe Kemba, possibly Jonas). Move back. Take Singleton (my pick). Take shooters/scorers with the later picks. Hire Dakota Dave to coach the young'ins. And hope for signs of progress in the coming 24 months.

Not exciting, but there you have it.
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#846 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:38 pm

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Post#847 » by Geaux Wiz » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:30 am

Is anyone else starting to get really high on Tobias Harris @ 18 if Singleton isn't there?
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Post#848 » by Jay81 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:43 am

whats the use of taking a white european if he cant shoot? Europeans are bred to be white and good shooters
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Post#849 » by dangermouse » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:51 am

I dunno? Maybe he can do the team's taxes and dance awkwardly with no rythm at parties while eating a ham dinner with mayonnaise?

I hear he CAN jump though.
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Post#850 » by dangermouse » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:56 am

Just thinking about this at the moment: When was the last time a SG was a top 5 prospect? James Harden is all I can think of... was he even top 5?

Even OJ Mayo before draft day was putting himself out there as a combo guard.

What about Ben Gordon? Another undersized guy. And that was years and years ago.

I must be missing someone right? They can't be that rare?
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#851 » by dobrojim » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:07 am

Tobias Harris is one of many possible picks @18.
I could see him. Or Brooks. Or Jenkins. Or even Nolan Smith.
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#852 » by Wizardspride » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:35 am

dobrojim wrote:Tobias Harris is one of many possible picks @18.
I could see him. Or Brooks. Or Jenkins. Or even Nolan Smith.

Nolan Smith is a late 1st or 2nd rounder imo.

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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#853 » by Induveca » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:44 am

Dream scenario alert! I'd say 45% basis in reality......but revel in my insanity.

Kanter slips to us at the #6.

We then trade McGee/Crawford/top 5 protected 2012 first rounder for Williams/Flynn. Then at 34 we take Nolan Smith who a lot of mocks are having him slip into the second round (why I have NO idea).

Wall/Flynn
Young/Smith
Williams/Lewis
Blatche/Booker
Kanter/Seraphin

::drool::

No chance in hell of it happening, but made me happy to dream......
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Post#854 » by sfam » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:26 am

Interesting story - apparently there's still a chance that Rubio stays in Spain:

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/15/370183 ... barca.html

BILBAO, Spain -- Minnesota Timberwolves draft pick Ricky Rubio says he is talking with Spanish club Barcelona about his future.

Rubio said "we are taking with Barcelona and we will soon see" after Barca beat Bilbao for the Spanish league title on Tuesday night.

The 20-year-old Rubio has filled his trophy case with titles, but he has struggled to score this season. He lost his spot in Barcelona's starting lineup.

The Timberwolves selected Rubio at No. 5 in the 2009 NBA draft, but the Spanish point guard decided to stay in Spain to play.

The Associated Press reported earlier this month that the Timberwolves had reached a deal with Rubio for him to join the team next season.


What would Minn do if he doesn't come I wonder...
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#855 » by The Consiglieri » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:59 am

hands11 wrote:I would not trade up in this draft. There are plenty of players on the board that will be there when we pick that can help this team and or become trade assets or allow other players to become trade assets.

The team already have enough players who could end up being stars. McGee still may end up being an amazing player. Wall. Booker, etc. Then there is the 2012 FA class. Who knows how this all ends up but it will likely involve a trade in 2012 or 2013 and FA to mold the team that is the product they go for it with. Just keep adding quality assets right now.

I was not a fan of the DW interview. Something didnt feel right. I have to watch all the interviews again so I can put a list together of the ones that stood out. Kemba comes to mind as the type of personality you want. Williams seemed a little to much like a cheese Dick.

And since their has been little about him on the board, I think Jimmer is going to produce instantly. Every team needs a quick release long ball shooter. Great for spacing and instant offense off the bench.

Brooks was also interesting. I can see the Kobe vibe in him that has been mentioned. I have a really good feeling about him. Loved his interview. 7-1 reach and 38" vert. :o Didn't see the heart to finish at the rim though. Looks like Nick without the dee dee dee.

Marcus should also be a safe pick. He says he is a PP type SF. I see some tough juice also. We could use another SF. Specially with range.

Really liking Klay. He seems like a sure thing. Solid personality. Dad was a player. Someone is going to get a solid player. If we like an old MM, why wouldnt EG like him? That is if you want a pure shooter. There seem to be several in this draft. Harper. Jimmer etc.

There is plenty on the board. Steady as she goes.


I wouldn't either in part because i think theres a very good chance that players taken 14-18 are going to perform better than players at 6-10. I really would love to have two picks in the teens this year. I really love the guys that should be going off the board between 11 and 21 or so. Historically, it's been a graveyard for players , particularly from '01-'05 when the youth of draftees made for more busts, but i really think its loaded with a mix of upside guys that could blow up (at least into good players anyway) as well as key role players that would be essential for their drafting teams. Its very hard for me to find a guy generally rated in the 10-21 area that i wouldn't be happy with us drafting, though there are a few i definitely prefer. Meanwhile at six, i see literally no value whatsoever for us unless Kantner falls, or inexplicably one of the euro's ends up being all that and more.
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#856 » by dangermouse » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:42 am

If Kanter slips, I totally want to move Blatche. I'd take a 2012 1st rounder back from a team that should finish middle of the pack and an expiring/short contract for sure. And then pray for their misfortune.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#857 » by closg00 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:14 pm

Top 5 Mistakes GMs Make At The Draft
#5 – Drafting players with a questions about character
#4 – Drafting players with histories of injury
#3 – Drafting for potential rather than experience
#2 – Trying to find the next big international success
#1 – Drafting big
Drafting undersized players
Drafting for need over best player available
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=20130#ixzz1PRGSJta8

Didn't post the breakdown, but it's a good read, not scared-off by #2 in this draft.
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Post#858 » by Rafael122 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:41 pm

sfam wrote:Interesting story - apparently there's still a chance that Rubio stays in Spain:

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/06/15/370183 ... barca.html

BILBAO, Spain -- Minnesota Timberwolves draft pick Ricky Rubio says he is talking with Spanish club Barcelona about his future.

Rubio said "we are taking with Barcelona and we will soon see" after Barca beat Bilbao for the Spanish league title on Tuesday night.

The 20-year-old Rubio has filled his trophy case with titles, but he has struggled to score this season. He lost his spot in Barcelona's starting lineup.

The Timberwolves selected Rubio at No. 5 in the 2009 NBA draft, but the Spanish point guard decided to stay in Spain to play.

The Associated Press reported earlier this month that the Timberwolves had reached a deal with Rubio for him to join the team next season.


What would Minn do if he doesn't come I wonder...


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Re: Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4 

Post#859 » by RT31 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:11 pm

^^
That's reassuring to hear. #2 + "more assets" for #6 + McGee. I was afraid we were selling the farm + McGee for #2.
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Post#860 » by closg00 » Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:12 pm

This ^^^ is old Raf, Rubio already signed the contract, now they are negoitating the buyout. Rubio will be in Minny.
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