Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[TheSecretWeapon]

How bout Jon Leur? Phx asking price on him can't be that high. Would a 2nd and cheap player like Blair be enough? Hell I'll even throw in Gary Neal.

Gotta think Phoenix would value Leuer more than to trade him for scraps and leavings.

[nuposse04]

How bout Jon Leur? Phx asking price on him can't be that high. Would a 2nd and cheap player like Blair be enough? Hell I'll even throw in Gary Neal.

Gotta think Phoenix would value Leuer more than to trade him for scraps and leavings.

Also have to wonder though if Leur has an inclination to stay. He is a good player, good GMs will take note and he should have offers to play in potential winning situations (not that ours is a prime example of a model franchise). Question is whether PHX thinks he is worth investing in for the future... prolly would happen if they can dump Morris.

[AFM]

I don't want any white players on this team. Don't care if it's prime Larry Bird. This is Chocolate City. We ain't fielding a team of hipsters and Apple Store geniuses.

[dckingsfan]

I don't want any white players on this team. Don't care if it's prime Larry Bird. This is Chocolate City. We ain't fielding a team of hipsters and Apple Store geniuses.

[dckingsfan]

yeah AFM - he is looking at you!

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I haven't come up with a good name for it, but I ran a metric I've been playing with get at value of assets on the roster. Basically, it combines production and age -- highly productive young players being more valuable than a similarly productive old player (because the youngster has more of a future. The Wizards ranked 19th overall, and 9th in the East.

I don't see how it's possible that a metric that has us 9th in the East, while it also adjusts up for youth and down for age, can be measuring accurately.

We are 11th-12th in the East in record, and our team is one of the older teams in the league -- and certainly in the East. Leave aside the age adjustment, you'd expect the 9th most productive team overall to have the 9th best record.

Unless, of course, this metric doesn't take minutes played into account. E.g. from what you've written here about correlation of PPA to team results, I assume that the total PPA of all our players, adjusted for minutes played, would be 11th-12th in the East.

What am I missing?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't want any white players on this team. Don't care if it's prime Larry Bird. This is Chocolate City. We ain't fielding a team of hipsters and Apple Store geniuses.

This sure helped my paranoia and anxiety. When did I say that? (jk) CCJ doesn't agree. Ballers are ballers.

Give me (all in their prime) Jerry West, Rick Barry, Larry Bird, Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Vlade Divac, Dan Majerle, Steve Nash, Paul Westphal, Gail Goodrich, Bill Laimbeer, and Ricky Rubio. (In a hurry and I'm sure I omitted greats)

You can name my team MIGHTY WHITE KNIGHTS and I'll gladly coach them.

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I don't want any white players on this team. Don't care if it's prime Larry Bird. This is Chocolate City. We ain't fielding a team of hipsters and Apple Store geniuses.

You in an Apple Store often? Lots of chocolate geniuses.... I've seen some chocolate hipsters too (ok not too many...).

[Ruzious]

Reminds me of that old knicks front court of Jerry Lucas, Dave Debuscherre, and Senator Bradley. Lucas was a stretch 5 before the stretch 4 was invented. If they had 3 point shots back then, he'd have been an all-star. When Willis Reed was out, he had to play center against... Wilt Freaking Chamberlain. So Red Holzman had this unheard of idea to have Lucas play center and shoot 20 foot jumpers. Wilt had no idea what to do - since centers just didn't shoot long jumpers back in that era - it wasn't a consideration. Lucas kept making wide open jumpers (also the idea of defenders switching never occurred to anyone back then). Finally Wilt came out to guard Lucas, and that took away his shot-blocking presence from the middle. It was a dramatic win for NY.

[Dark Faze]

easiest schedule in the league for the second half of the season apparently

anything we can do to improve this team for a playoff run while keeping KD2DC alive?

[stevemcqueen1]

Steve, there's absolutely no way they'd want Beal now in a trade for Blake - especially when they have so little at the forwards - especially PF. They're trying to win now. And at this point, Redick is a GREAT fit for them, and he can play more minutes - if need be. He stays in phenominal shape and should have a few more years where he continues to fit GREAT for them. And there's no way that Beal would replicate his scoring efficiency.

They probably won't trade Blake, and probably wouldn't do Blake for Beal + Porter. The point was that Beal is a more attractive return than Horford. I think that would be true for any team, but particularly one that already has a max contract center in the first year of his deal.

[Ruzious]

Steve, there's absolutely no way they'd want Beal now in a trade for Blake - especially when they have so little at the forwards - especially PF. They're trying to win now. And at this point, Redick is a GREAT fit for them, and he can play more minutes - if need be. He stays in phenominal shape and should have a few more years where he continues to fit GREAT for them. And there's no way that Beal would replicate his scoring efficiency.

They probably won't trade Blake, and probably wouldn't do Blake for Beal + Porter. The point was that Beal is a more attractive return than Horford. I think that would be true for any team, but particularly one that already has a max contract center in the first year of his deal.

He would not be a more attractive return for them unless they had some side deal where they'd trade Beal for far more than he's worth. They want to win this season. Trading Blake for Beal and junk would decimate them at PF>

[dckingsfan]

Sounds like Blake had a second surgery on the hand... out for the playoffs? They have been winning without him, maybe they trade with the Pelicans for Anderson?

[The Consiglieri]

this dark cloud of dread hangs over me: no trades for future assets, or even worse, a last ditch save your own rear end trade like the Caps did several years ago when they traded Forsberg, one of the best center prospects in the game, for some chicken wire, a phillips, and some rubber bands to be named later seem the most likely scenario (worst trade in caps history). That's why you have to fire GM's before they are in a position to make trades where the M.O. is to better their own career prospects rather than your team's. Absolutely asinine that this guy has been left around to bottle multiple attempted rebuilds with no accountability whatsoever for his failings.

[Ruzious]

Sounds like Blake had a second surgery on the hand... out for the playoffs? They have been winning without him, maybe they trade with the Pelicans for Anderson?

SSST. Small Sample Size Theatre.

Griffin is a great player. There aren't many great players. Imo, you don't trade a great player unless you have to.

[nuposse04]

Sounds like Blake had a second surgery on the hand... out for the playoffs? They have been winning without him, maybe they trade with the Pelicans for Anderson?

SSST. Small Sample Size Theatre.

Griffin is a great player. There aren't many great players. Imo, you don't trade a great player unless you have to.

He is supposedly under contract through the 16-17 season. What I don't understand, is why are teams like DEN, hypothetically, going to give up everything if they can't build a winning situation in next season with him. Is he that inclined to stay wherever he can get an extra year of max money or would he search for the best winning situation.

The length of his contract would worry me unless you had some understood knowledge that he will resign. Yeah he is worth a lot of assets... but the risk of him bouncing is real especially if some small market team overbids for him. Of course that threat of a non-winning situation could be fixed with competent player acquisition, so prolly won't ever happen here

I think a team like BOS could get him reasonably, they can offer a high draft pick, plenty of bigs, expirings and rotation players.

Nets pick+Amir Johnson+Sullinger+ Bradley for Blake+filler (lance?)

not sure if that adds up some salaries can be adjusted if need be. I think the chance at actually getting a good young player while CP3 ages. But this also kinda assumes maybe Blake would also leave outright should they not make the finals in 16-17'.

[nate33]

Who says no? Gortat, Dudley and Gooden for Kevin Love.

Man. That's a really good trade!

I'd keep Gooden. Cleveland is a luxtax team and they'd certainly prefer the cap savings than the extra body coming off the bench. We need to include an extra $100,000 to make that work. Maybe a Blair for Jefferson swap to balance it out? Or maybe just throw in Garrett Temple to give them one more wing defender.

The key to this is that I think Gortat has really high value because of his contract. Love is a better player, but he costs $10M more per year.

This summer, I'd make a run at Horford, but if that didn't work, I'd push real hard for Biyombo. Next year:

PG Wall/Sato
SG Beal/Sato
SF Porter/Oubre
PF Love/Porter
C Biyombo

That's a good young team!

[gambitx777]

SO, if the cavs want Dudley, I say we ask for two first round picks and Cedi Osman. I dont care if its fair, supply and demand!

[montestewart]

I don't want any white players on this team. Don't care if it's prime Larry Bird. This is Chocolate City. We ain't fielding a team of hipsters and Apple Store geniuses.

This sure helped my paranoia and anxiety. When did I say that? (jk) CCJ doesn't agree. Ballers are ballers.

Give me (all in their prime) Jerry West, Rick Barry, Larry Bird, Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol, Vlade Divac, Dan Majerle, Steve Nash, Paul Westphal, Gail Goodrich, Bill Laimbeer, and Ricky Rubio. (In a hurry and I'm sure I omitted greats)

You can name my team MIGHTY WHITE KNIGHTS and I'll gladly coach them.

Hey! You took all the good ones! I'm stuck with a starting five of Stockton, Maravich, Schrempf, McHale and Walton. How are they going to win any games?

[nate33]

SO, if the cavs want Dudley, I say we ask for two first round picks and Cedi Osman. I dont care if its fair, supply and demand!

I think the Cavs' first round picks are encumbered for a long time.