How is CC's rookie year going to go?

[prophet_of_rage]

Great win over the Sky today. Now they're getting somewhere.

They are playing through Boston and it is working. They also had a weird front loaded schedule. Now they are getting the soft sections of the game.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Steph Curry comparison always made sense to me.

Speaking of comparisons, you often hear Clark compared to Magic and Bird, because she has brought new eyes to the league. That seems like a good comparison, but Clark is actually a mix of Bird and Magic rolled together, because she's the great shooter mixed with the assist master.

She's actually Trae Young.

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[ellobo]

Steph Curry comparison always made sense to me.

Speaking of comparisons, you often hear Clark compared to Magic and Bird, because she has brought new eyes to the league. That seems like a good comparison, but Clark is actually a mix of Bird and Magic rolled together, because she's the great shooter mixed with the assist master.

She's actually Trae Young.

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And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

[MrDollarBills]

Speaking of comparisons, you often hear Clark compared to Magic and Bird, because she has brought new eyes to the league. That seems like a good comparison, but Clark is actually a mix of Bird and Magic rolled together, because she's the great shooter mixed with the assist master.

She's actually Trae Young.

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And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

AT reminds me of my aunt

Caitlin is a better rebounder than Trae is at their position

[TerrenceClarke]

She's actually Trae Young.

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And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

AT reminds me of my aunt

Caitlin is a better rebounder than Trae is at their position

How So. By Stats?

Trae Young is playing against people much taller and stronger than CC.

CC dont have to navigate the what young has to Navigate. The avg PG Height is what centers are in WNBA basically.

Put CC in the NBA and see how many Rebounds she get....

You starting to add to much sauce and sound like these dudes gassing her skills up....

[jc23]

Speaking of comparisons, you often hear Clark compared to Magic and Bird, because she has brought new eyes to the league. That seems like a good comparison, but Clark is actually a mix of Bird and Magic rolled together, because she's the great shooter mixed with the assist master.

She's actually Trae Young.

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And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

Ben Simmons is afraid of his own shadow.

[Ghetto Gospel]

And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

AT reminds me of my aunt

Caitlin is a better rebounder than Trae is at their position

How So. By Stats?

Trae Young is playing against people much taller and stronger than CC.

CC dont have to navigate the what young has to Navigate. The avg PG Height is what centers are in WNBA basically.

Put CC in the NBA and see how many Rebounds she get....

You starting to add to much sauce and sound like these dudes gassing her skills up....

i mean realistically, no one in the WNBA can play in the NBA. its just finding a similar style of play from an NBA equivalent.

they're similar in that they're high usage, high turnovers, 3s from everywhere on the court and bad defense. trae young has more of a mid-range float game than caitlin clark. she's more at the rim or stepback/pull-up from 3. she does have him on the boards though, relatively speaking

[MrDollarBills]

And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

AT reminds me of my aunt

Caitlin is a better rebounder than Trae is at their position

How So. By Stats?

Trae Young is playing against people much taller and stronger than CC.

CC dont have to navigate the what young has to Navigate. The avg PG Height is what centers are in WNBA basically.

Put CC in the NBA and see how many Rebounds she get....

You starting to add to much sauce and sound like these dudes gassing her skills up....

Listen HERE TC:

Yeah stats.

CC averages 5rpg, Trae averages 2rpg. And yes, there is a clear difference between rebounding at PG in the W compared to the NBA. I'm not even going to pretend that it's the same

Now you see why I hate playing the 1 to 1 comparison game?

All kidding aside, Clark has always been an excellent rebounder though. I think she pulled down around 8 a game at Iowa, grabbing 5rpg at guard in the pros is good. That number probably bumps up once they get her on a training program because she needs to get stronger, she's a stick figure right now

The one thing I will always be about any player is objective. I'm not with the whole "omg CC is an all time GOAT #1 player in the W" stuff that her cult is on, but the gal can board pretty well for her position

[MrDollarBills]

AT reminds me of my aunt

Caitlin is a better rebounder than Trae is at their position

How So. By Stats?

Trae Young is playing against people much taller and stronger than CC.

CC dont have to navigate the what young has to Navigate. The avg PG Height is what centers are in WNBA basically.

Put CC in the NBA and see how many Rebounds she get....

You starting to add to much sauce and sound like these dudes gassing her skills up....

i mean realistically, no one in the WNBA can play in the NBA. its just finding a similar style of play from an NBA equivalent.

they're similar in that they're high usage, high turnovers, 3s from everywhere on the court and bad defense. trae young has more of a mid-range float game than caitlin clark. she's more at the rim or stepback/pull-up from 3. she does have him on the boards though, relatively speaking

You bring up a good point. I think CC's next evolution as a player will be to develop a consistent mid range game. All the great scorers should be knocking down pull up Js from 15 to 18 off the dribble separation. She's too reliant on the three ball imo

[MrDollarBills]

She's actually Trae Young.

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And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

Ben Simmons is afraid of his own shadow.

Thomas actually likes playing basketball too. Huge difference.

Once Ben is done stealing Brooklyn's money he'll probably retire and become a full time CoD streamer

[Ice Man]

I think CC's next evolution as a player will be to develop a consistent mid range game. All the great scorers should be knocking down pull up Js from 15 to 18 off the dribble separation. She's too reliant on the three ball imo

Clark has a very limited game. She has no 2-point game whatsoever, except for layups. No pullup, no floater, no turnaround. Nothing. She also has no pump fakes. None at all. With every layup, her goal is to get to the rim before the defender. She never, ever hesitates, draws the defender in the air, and then jumps into the defender's body to get the automatic foul call. She also doesn't know how to stop once she has beaten a defender, to force a foul from the defender from behind.

For the 2-point game, she could watch pretty much any NBA guard, and for the pump fakes and stops, Trae, Jimmy, and Brunson would be excellent role models. But there are of course others.

Clark's current offensive repertoire consists of five things -

1) Creating and making her own 3-point shot
2) Beating defenders off the dribble
3) Outlet passes
4) Pick & roll
5) Finding teammates in the half court when pressed/swarmed

It's to her credit that she had made it this far relying so heavily on a few tricks, but if she is to be an all-time WNBA great -- as opposed to just another All Star, which is already the level that she is at (or almost so, will be soon enough) -- she will need to expand her game, quite considerably.

[ellobo]

I think CC's next evolution as a player will be to develop a consistent mid range game. All the great scorers should be knocking down pull up Js from 15 to 18 off the dribble separation. She's too reliant on the three ball imo

Clark has a very limited game. She has no 2-point game whatsoever, except for layups. No pullup, no floater, no turnaround. Nothing. She also has no pump fakes. None at all. With every layup, her goal is to get to the rim before the defender. She never, ever hesitates, draws the defender in the air, and then jumps into the defender's body to get the automatic foul call. She also doesn't know how to stop once she has beaten a defender, to force a foul from the defender from behind.

For the 2-point game, she could watch pretty much any NBA guard, and for the pump fakes and stops, Trae, Jimmy, and Brunson would be excellent role models. But there are of course others.

Clark's current offensive repertoire consists of five things -

1) Creating and making her own 3-point shot
2) Beating defenders off the dribble
3) Outlet passes
4) Pick & roll
5) Finding teammates in the half court when pressed/swarmed

It's to her credit that she had made it this far relying so heavily on a few tricks, but if she is to be an all-time WNBA great -- as opposed to just another All Star, which is already the level that she is at (or almost so, will be soon enough) -- she will need to expand her game, quite considerably.

Agree with most of this, but she's also really good catching and shooting off movement as one of her strengths.

And although I agree about her weaknesses, and have posted similar things on this thread, the defensive attention she gets is very unusual. That's partly a tribute to her strengths, but it also highlights her weaknesses because she doesn't have the obvious counters that good point guards have. It's mostly not just that she isn't doing the things she does well enough (other than protecting the ball). She's doing okay overall and showing lots of positive flashes. But the holes in her game make it easier for opponents to make the things she does well harder for her to do.

[MrDollarBills]

I think CC's next evolution as a player will be to develop a consistent mid range game. All the great scorers should be knocking down pull up Js from 15 to 18 off the dribble separation. She's too reliant on the three ball imo

Clark has a very limited game. She has no 2-point game whatsoever, except for layups. No pullup, no floater, no turnaround. Nothing. She also has no pump fakes. None at all. With every layup, her goal is to get to the rim before the defender. She never, ever hesitates, draws the defender in the air, and then jumps into the defender's body to get the automatic foul call. She also doesn't know how to stop once she has beaten a defender, to force a foul from the defender from behind.

For the 2-point game, she could watch pretty much any NBA guard, and for the pump fakes and stops, Trae, Jimmy, and Brunson would be excellent role models. But there are of course others.

Clark's current offensive repertoire consists of five things -

1) Creating and making her own 3-point shot
2) Beating defenders off the dribble
3) Outlet passes
4) Pick & roll
5) Finding teammates in the half court when pressed/swarmed

It's to her credit that she had made it this far relying so heavily on a few tricks, but if she is to be an all-time WNBA great -- as opposed to just another All Star, which is already the level that she is at (or almost so, will be soon enough) -- she will need to expand her game, quite considerably.

Spot on analysis sir.

If CC wants to become a great, she has to become a three level scorer.

This is why I cringe when people want to do away with the mid range J or call it a bad shot. If you're an efficient scorer, why wouldn't you work on a 15 to 18 foot pull up? The shot is going to be there more times than not. Kevin Durant is a huge proponent of it, Kobe was too.

[TerrenceClarke]

I don’t know how it’s going to go, but I do know she is not the only reason why people want to watch the WNBA

[MrDollarBills]

I don’t know how it’s going to go, but I do know she is not the only reason why people want to watch the WNBA

I love this. We need more young boys watching and learning that it's okay to be fans of and look up to female athletes as role models.

Things are changing slowly. CC is playing a huge role, but we cannot discount or ignore the impact that Angel and others are having too. There are little girls (and hopefully boys) seeing these young women hoop and are being inspired.

[wojoaderge]

No pullup, no floater, no turnaround. Nothing.

To be fair, i've seen her try all 3 of these things this season, with varying levels of success. She just doesn't try them enough

[ellobo]

No pullup, no floater, no turnaround. Nothing.

To be fair, i've seen her try all 3 of these things this season, with varying levels of success. She just doesn't try them enough

Yes, I've seen her try, but she just seems very uncomfortable shooting or making plays between the arc and the basket. She'll often back out or pick up her dribble when she sees bodies in front of her in the paint, even if they are sagging back and conceding a short pullup or floater in the lane. It also enables defenders to cut off passing lanes because they don't have to commit to contesting her.

[MrDollarBills]

No pullup, no floater, no turnaround. Nothing.

To be fair, i've seen her try all 3 of these things this season, with varying levels of success. She just doesn't try them enough

Yes, I've seen her try, but she just seems very uncomfortable shooting or making plays between the arc and the basket. She'll often back out or pick up her dribble when she sees bodies in front of her in the paint, even if they are sagging back and conceding a short pullup or floater in the lane. It also enables defenders to cut off passing lanes because they don't have to commit to contesting her.

We have a whole generation of players who have been conditioned into believing that the midrange J is a bad shot.

Meanwhile A'ja routinely drops 30 knocking down middies. Make it make sense.

[CIN-C-STAR]

And therein lies the difference between Ben Simmons and Alyssa Thomas: Ben Simmons is scared of Trae Young, but Alyssa Thomas has no fear of Caitlin Clark (or anyone else)

AT reminds me of my aunt

Caitlin is a better rebounder than Trae is at their position

How So. By Stats?

Trae Young is playing against people much taller and stronger than CC.

CC dont have to navigate the what young has to Navigate. The avg PG Height is what centers are in WNBA basically.

Put CC in the NBA and see how many Rebounds she get....

You starting to add to much sauce and sound like these dudes gassing her skills up....

So it's cool to gas Reese up for her stats, 12 pts & 9 rebs, in the W; but Clark's stats don't count because she couldn't get them in the NBA?
Reese would average 0 points and 0 rebounds in the NBA dude

[TerrenceClarke]

AT reminds me of my aunt

Caitlin is a better rebounder than Trae is at their position

How So. By Stats?

Trae Young is playing against people much taller and stronger than CC.

CC dont have to navigate the what young has to Navigate. The avg PG Height is what centers are in WNBA basically.

Put CC in the NBA and see how many Rebounds she get....

You starting to add to much sauce and sound like these dudes gassing her skills up....

So it's cool to gas Reese up for her stats, 12 pts & 9 rebs, in the W; but Clark's stats don't count because she couldn't get them in the NBA?
Reese would average 0 points and 0 rebounds in the NBA dude

How much of a weirdo do you have to be to bring Reese in this. She was not even mentioned.

You must go to sleep at night thinking about her.

You mad she stopped your girl from getting a chip?

The fact you brought Reese into this again shows how much you are obsessed with her. You speak as if someone said Reese can out rebound an nba player.


You seem mad that people have something positive to say about Reese

You spew nothing but negativity at Reese all over this forum but you draw the line cause someone said CC doesn’t have the same challenges at her height that an NBA Player of her same height does? That’s what you want to cry about?

How developed are you?

Go sit down color in your coloring book and drink your sippy cup.