Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players?

Moderator: THE J0KER

Which NBA international players are better, all-time best retired or best active?

all-time best retired are better
31
55%
active players are better
18
32%
about the same
7
13%
 
Total votes: 56

Knightfall
Pro Prospect
Posts: 862
And1: 692
Joined: Mar 23, 2021

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#41 » by Knightfall » Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:24 pm

Dominique Wilkins born in France is missing from the list completely.

Kyrie should be on the new generation also.
User avatar
THE J0KER
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Posts: 6,445
And1: 6,169
Joined: Apr 12, 2017
 

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#42 » by THE J0KER » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:08 pm

KGtabake wrote:It will favour the alltimers until the current players reach their peak or even their twilight.
Right now, how can you say that Banchero for example deserves to be placed on such lists? Based on 30 games? It's not fair to him.

Technically Banchero's career stats are 20-7-4 which put him on this list which is not based on career achievements but mostly on average production during prime years. And if you say it is based in his case only on 30 games sample isn't that actually an argument in his favor because out of all 30+30 names listed just a few (not more than 5) have more impressive numbers in the first 30 NBA games than Banchero! That said, of course, it is not a guarantee for his future HoF level, but is a very good sign.
User avatar
THE J0KER
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Posts: 6,445
And1: 6,169
Joined: Apr 12, 2017
 

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#43 » by THE J0KER » Wed Dec 28, 2022 8:45 pm

Knightfall wrote:Dominique Wilkins born in France is missing from the list completely.

Kyrie should be on the new generation also.

Unlike Hakeem Olajuwon, they have not naturalized Americans but just American citizens born overseas.

Much more is the complicated cases of Tim Duncan and Karl-Anthony Towns. Duncan is from the US Virgin Islands which is a US territory but is an independent member of the IOC and FIBA, and KAT which is born and raised in the USA represented as the junior Dominican Republic.
WherePipAt
Sophomore
Posts: 162
And1: 148
Joined: Aug 20, 2010

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#44 » by WherePipAt » Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:15 pm

Lmao, Banchero was literally born in Seattle. If you're going to be as lenient with the international qualifications for current players then you need to do the same with retired players. Patrick Ewing is one that comes to mind, he was born in Jamaica.
User avatar
THE J0KER
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Posts: 6,445
And1: 6,169
Joined: Apr 12, 2017
 

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#45 » by THE J0KER » Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:59 am

WherePipAt wrote:Lmao, Banchero was literally born in Seattle. If you're going to be as lenient with the international qualifications for current players then you need to do the same with retired players. Patrick Ewing is one that comes to mind, he was born in Jamaica.

Joakim Noah was born in NYC, lived in the USA his whole life, but represent France since the beginning, so you do not complain because his father was a famous French tennis player not an ordinary Italian? If Paolo decided from the start to represent Italy (Ewing chose the USA but unlike Olajuwon, he comes to the USA as a child) who am I to forbid him?
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 39,231
And1: 38,613
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#46 » by JDR720 » Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:05 am

Personally, I don't count US-born internationals as real internationals. Or players like Duncan and Towns, who are also Americans since they're from US territories.
User avatar
THE J0KER
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Forum Mod - Nuggets
Posts: 6,445
And1: 6,169
Joined: Apr 12, 2017
 

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#47 » by THE J0KER » Thu Dec 29, 2022 5:29 am

JDR720 wrote:Personally, I don't count US-born internationals as real internationals. Or players like Duncan and Towns, who are also Americans since they're from US territories.

Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic have their own decent national teams in FIBA competition should be excluded.

For those born in the USA, it is not the same if players who have no chance to play for the team USA chose during their playing career to represent some other random country and like in Paolo Banchero's case who is #1 draft pick and would play for the USA if he wants :dontknow:
User avatar
Sark
RealGM
Posts: 19,170
And1: 15,927
Joined: Sep 21, 2010
Location: Merry Pills
 

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#48 » by Sark » Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:46 am

Where tf is Pat Ewing and Tim Duncan on this list?
U of Kentucky JV
WillyJakkz
General Manager
Posts: 8,408
And1: 1,145
Joined: Jun 10, 2009
Location: Orlando FL

Re: Are the current TOP30 best international players a better than NBA's TOP30 all-time best retired foreign players? 

Post#49 » by WillyJakkz » Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:28 am

It was about even until you get to the second third fourth teams then the all timers pull away

Return to International Basketball