Return to Sender: The Mark Williams Thread

[countryboi]

Somebody lying

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Not a Lakers or Hornets fan but I am good at reading.

The last line Pelinka says here is the important one.

"We've vetted the injuries he's had and we're not concerned about those. "

Now, the key piece of information here is Pelinka isn't worried about any past injuries Mark Williams has had.

However, it doesn't mean something else didn't get flagged on the physical which wasn't part of directly related to a previous injury.

I think that's why the Lakers ended up moving on from Mark Williams. They found something else which regarding Mark Williams body, it raised a red flag as it wasn't related to a previous injury, and thus a failed physical.

Unfortunately we likely won't be hearing about it as I don't think teams typically leak information about a players red flag publicly.

Mark was averaging 25 minutes a night and even played 30 plus minutes right before the trade. After the trade, Rob mentioned that their doctors had vetted Mark for all his old injuries and didn't suggest that the Hornets had withheld any information. However, 72 hours later, without Mark having played a single minute in that time, they supposedly discovered an injury severe enough to nullify the trade.

that dog don't hunt,

[HornetJail]

The Lakers saying his "previous injuries" not being of concern here confuses me so much. what caused him to fail a physical if not his back or foot?

My gut reaction is to be optimistic (an absolutely TERRIBLE thing to have when you're a Hornets/Panthers fan btw) but what if this is just the Lakers foolishly thinking they overpaid and getting cold feet on the trade? Then Mark Williams returns on a cheap-ish contract and continues his career with some injuries but not too many. In the meantime, we keep good backups at his position to offset the risk of his injuries. Couldn't really ask for a better outcome long-term.

Players have failed physicals before and gone on to be fine. Tyson Chandler failed one nixing a NOH/OKC trade before we had him, and while his foot was an issue here, he eventually overcame it to be the 2nd best player on a championship team, and a DPOY, and about 10 more years in the league.

Personally... as long as there isn't something catastrophic with his medicals (which is a possibility...), I'm overjoyed this trade was reversed. I have an extremely hard time caring about Knecht or picks in the 2030s. I'm more than happy to keep Mark with some injury concerns. Just make sure you have reliable backup centers, something this franchise has done a terrible job with in the past

[Walt Cronkite]

We forgot to say "no takebacks"!

[HornetJail]

can we give them Salaun as a consolation gift lol

[Jstock12]

Your GM tried to pull a fast one on Pelinka So at least you can be assured your GM knows what he's doing with much more information at his disposal than anyone on this board. That's the silver lining for this mess... The front office sees that LaMelo/Williams are just not reliable building blocks for the franchise.

[MasterIchiro]

Your GM tried to pull a fast one on Pelinka So at least you can be assured your GM knows what he's doing with much more information at his disposal than anyone on this board. That's the silver lining for this mess... The front office sees that LaMelo/Williams are just not reliable building blocks for the franchise.

We honestly don't have to worry about our GM. When negotiating with him his former team offered him the job, we had to give him more money and a promotion to top exec.

His reputation and roots are well intact.

He's known as a communicator and he's friendly.

The other GM's all know what's going on in Los Angeles. Worry about your own front office.

[Jstock12]

Your GM tried to pull a fast one on Pelinka So at least you can be assured your GM knows what he's doing with much more information at his disposal than anyone on this board. That's the silver lining for this mess... The front office sees that LaMelo/Williams are just not reliable building blocks for the franchise.

We honestly don't have to worry about our GM. When negotiating with him his former team offered him the job, we had to give him more money and a promotion to top exec.

His reputation and roots are well intact.

He's known as a communicator and he's friendly.

The other GM's all know what's going on in Los Angeles. Worry about your own front office.

Did you read it as sarcasm? You misunderstood me. I was giving your GM a compliment. He clearly knows what he's doing, as opposed to the majority of posters here who (without even 10% of the information that the front office has) have criticized him for trading away Mark.

[Snidely FC]

Because the deadline has passed, the trade was not allowed to be amended to account for whatever new medical information the Lakers might have discovered in their evaluation of Williams.

there ought to be some rule that if *physicals* aren't completed by the trade deadline the trade can be amended until such a time as the physicals are completed. trade amendments are almost always pick related. I grade this trade recision a BS

[MasterIchiro]

Your GM tried to pull a fast one on Pelinka So at least you can be assured your GM knows what he's doing with much more information at his disposal than anyone on this board. That's the silver lining for this mess... The front office sees that LaMelo/Williams are just not reliable building blocks for the franchise.

We honestly don't have to worry about our GM. When negotiating with him his former team offered him the job, we had to give him more money and a promotion to top exec.

His reputation and roots are well intact.

He's known as a communicator and he's friendly.

The other GM's all know what's going on in Los Angeles. Worry about your own front office.

Did you read it as sarcasm? You misunderstood me. I was giving your GM a compliment. He clearly knows what he's doing, as opposed to the majority of posters here who (without even 10% of the information that the front office has) have criticized him for trading away Mark.

Yeah you insulted the Hornets players.

LaMelo and Mark can still be building blocks.

Mark returned building block pieces.

Nobody pulled a fast one.

[Jstock12]

Yeah you insulted the Hornets players.

Huh??? Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. At no point did I make any personal attacks towards any of your players. Simply pointed out that the management probably doesn't see them as reliable/durable enough to build around.

LaMelo and Mark can still be building blocks.

Yeah that's clearly what the management thinks when they trade them away, or are shopping them around.

[MasterIchiro]

Because the deadline has passed, the trade was not allowed to be amended to account for whatever new medical information the Lakers might have discovered in their evaluation of Williams.

there ought to be some rule that if *physicals* aren't completed by the trade deadline the trade can be amended until such a time as the physicals are completed. trade amendments are almost always pick related. I grade this trade recision a BS

Or else it looks like gaming the trade deadline, extending it by negotiating forward for summer trades using assets tied up by a finalized trade.

[MasterIchiro]

Yeah you insulted the Hornets players.

Huh??? Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. At no point did I make any personal attacks towards any of your players. Simply pointed out that the management probably doesn't see them as reliable/durable enough to build around.

LaMelo and Mark can still be building blocks.

Yeah that's clearly what the management thinks when they trade them away, or are shopping them around.

I read just fine. Thank you for your concern about the reliability of LaMelo Ball and Mark Williams.

No need to devalue Hornets players still with the team just because Peterson forced an overpay.

[Jstock12]

Yeah you insulted the Hornets players.

Huh??? Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. At no point did I make any personal attacks towards any of your players. Simply pointed out that the management probably doesn't see them as reliable/durable enough to build around.

LaMelo and Mark can still be building blocks.

Yeah that's clearly what the management thinks when they trade them away, or are shopping them around.

Thank you for your concern about the reliability of LaMelo Ball and Mark Williams.

I'm glad you figured it out. Noone's attacking or insulting anyone here just because they point out some red flags about durability. I wish nothing but the best to your team and would be legitimately happy if Williams turned it around both physically and on the court just to shove it in Pelinka's face.

[Snidely FC]

The cancellation of the trade throws yet another element of upheaval into the Lakers, who have won five straight and 11 of 13 despite their tumultuous roster moves.

meanwhile no mention in the quoted NY Post article of the upheaval the recision will cause the perennially irrelevant Hornets, who added an $18M Center to replace the temporarily departed Williams

[MasterIchiro]

Huh??? Your reading comprehension seems to be lacking. At no point did I make any personal attacks towards any of your players. Simply pointed out that the management probably doesn't see them as reliable/durable enough to build around.


Yeah that's clearly what the management thinks when they trade them away, or are shopping them around.

Thank you for your concern about the reliability of LaMelo Ball and Mark Williams.

I'm glad you figured it out. Noone's attacking or insulting anyone here just because they point out some red flags about durability. I wish nothing but the best to your team and would be legitimately happy if Williams turned it around both physically and on the court just to shove it in Pelinka's face.

Sorry but the return for Mark actually says the opposite about his value.

And any return for LaMelo is not diminished by the Hornets GM trading Mark for an overpay.

You'll learn.

[MasterIchiro]

The cancellation of the trade throws yet another element of upheaval into the Lakers, who have won five straight and 11 of 13 despite their tumultuous roster moves.

meanwhile no mention from the NY Post of the upheaval the recision will cause the perennially irrelevant Hornets, who added an $18M Center to replace the temporarily departed Williams

We wanted the 1st regardless and to stay above the cap rather than letting the contracts to Martin and Micić expire.

Nurk is an expensive backup though, that's for sure. Hope Peterson puts the 2026 1st to good use for taking the extra 19,375,000 on Nurk next season, and can trade him as an expiring. If he can acquire Nic Claxton, Mark simply moves to C2. Moussa is insurance.

[SWedd523]

Your GM tried to pull a fast one on Pelinka So at least you can be assured your GM knows what he's doing with much more information at his disposal than anyone on this board. That's the silver lining for this mess... The front office sees that LaMelo/Williams are just not reliable building blocks for the franchise.

I was just told that it's only the Charlotte fans making up conspiracy theories.

Hopefully @ReggiesKnicks can jump in and help clarify

[JustBuzzin]

The cancellation of the trade throws yet another element of upheaval into the Lakers, who have won five straight and 11 of 13 despite their tumultuous roster moves.

meanwhile no mention in the quoted NY Post article of the upheaval the recision will cause the perennially irrelevant Hornets, who added an $18M Center to replace the temporarily departed Williams

Just the nature of the business.

We know we got screwed. I feel bad for Mark tho, he's now labeled as damaged goods before his first big contract. All because the Lakers failed his physical.

I would have know issue with this failed physical if it came a bit earlier. It took a full 3 days to learn anything. Just seems shady on the Lakers side. We also traded for a center to replace Mark. We should be allowed to rescind the Nurkic trade.

It's the Hornets nobody cares about them. It is what it is.

[Hornet Mania]

We forgot to say "no takebacks"!

Rookie GM mistake. C'mon Pete.

Only two possible options here:

1. We knew Mark was ruined and we tried to slide it on by before anyone noticed.
2. Mark has no new injuries, LAL just got cold feet and realized they overpaid for a guy with a known injury history while leaving themselves with few future trade assets during the Lebron window.

Personally I think it's the second option, but time will tell. Then again I also thought LAL overpaid a bit, so that influences my analysis.

[MPM]

MPM is a precog though

I had a dream last night that Rob Pelinka waxed his hair, bleached his teeth, donned yet another age-inappropriate leather jacket and drove a vintage Indian motorcyle happily off into the future horizon with nary a word from Adam Silver.



(The Mark dream was gobsmackingly weird though - I don't normally dream about the Hornets - just wake up to the cold reality of their being)