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BobsBuddy wrote::noway: I'm convinced that Hendo will be traded during this upcoming draft with our 25th pick probably for Afflalo,Nelson from Orlando. Clifford wants Afflalo on this team and we have Cap Space to absorb Nelson and still have bucks left to sign more players.
mrknowitall215 wrote:Regarding my belief that Henderson's defense is overrated, according to 82games.com On Court/Off Court stats, Charlotte's defense was better with Henderson off the court
Defense Points Per 100 Possessions
Henderson On Court: 105.9
Henderson Off Court: 104.1
Snidely FC wrote:The thing about an NBA roster is every position filled represents an opportunity cost. In other words, if Hendo weren't on the team, how could CHA spend that $6 Million per year.
I happen to be a little more okay, apparently, with Hendo's presence on this roster than most on this board. His athleticism and tenacity bring something to the team. I wish he were a more consistent shooter, though his percentages aren't horrible (35% from 3 is better than I expected from the eye test). And he does make a lot more bone-headed plays than I would expect from a player I thought would be high BBIQ.
However, a lot on this board want him gone, and I would not object if we could find a good replacement.
What I found in firing up the Trade Machine is that there are no longer many contracts in the $6 Mln range. I won't be the first to point out many teams are paying big bucks for stars then a million to a bunch of role players to fill the roster. A cursory look led me to feel that many would-be Hendo replacements are equally flawed.
Still, I tried to fashion some Hendo trades. Here are some, with comments:
Hendo + POR pick for Kyle Korver.
Korver is just the 3 pt specialist the Alfense demands, and he showed no drop off in quality, despite being 33 years old this year. So, why would ATL trade him? Well, because he is 33. Korver's contract is a match at $6.7/ but he's got 3 more years, meaning he will be 36 at contract's end. When his game starts to diminish it's going to go fast. They would get a younger SG in return + the POR pick, two players in line with what appears to be more of a youth movement in ATL. CHA gets a terrific shooter entering the stage of career where the next injury could hasten the end.
Hendo to CLE for Jarrett Jack
Jack didn't work out this year in CLE. It doesn't look like he's a good fit behind Kyrie Irving. And CHA would not be getting a SG in return for Hendo. But we have CDR and Neal at SG now, and most fans calling for the team to draft a young shooter, such as PJ Hairston, at 24. Yet PG is a desperate need. Ridnour should be out the door based on his play here. Enter Jack, a combo guard, scorer, with good size for the position who could back up Kemba and play alongside him, much in the same manner that Ramon did (well, hopefully with some more passes thrown in). Jack, at $6.3 for 3 more years, is a match contract wise, and at 33 by contract end should not turn into lost money.
Hendo + Gary Neal to OKC for Perkins & Jeremy Lamb. Okay, half the board (at least) wants Lamb, so I tried to look at a way to get him here. Kendrick Perkins is at $8.7 MLN for another year, Lamb $2 MLN for 2. Perk looks as creaky as a wooden bridge. Hendo and Neal give them what they give us, tenacity and athleticism from Hendo and shooting from Neal. If they lose to LA I could see them feeling the need to bring in new blood. Still, Perk will be expiring, and Brooks seems irrationally attached to him, not sure they do this one.
Hendo + Neal + Taylor for Eric Gordon.
NO tried to bring in a bunch of guys that would be hard to guard. Problem is those guys don't want to share the ball. Add in Gordon's injuries and his $14 MLn contract for 2 more yrs and he is a bad fit in NO. But Gordon's style of play - knock down shooter playing off Kemba and Al - fits CHA much better. The contract is crazy, really, but CHA has the cap room. If Gordon can return to his pre-NO ways - he's younger, 25, than Hendo, so making that bet isn't far-fetched - replacing Hendo, Neal and Taylor with Gordon would work.
Hendo to DEN for Darrel Arthur and Evan Fournier
Arthur had a bad year, such that it seems DEN would be happy to be rid of him. The price? Fournier. This kid can really shoot, and at 21, strikes me as the kind of player the Spurs scoop up. Get him before he breaks out.
Hendo to LAC for Jared Dudley and Reggie Bullock
Dudley had a bad year. He's a flow kind of guy. He's not going to get the minutes he needs to play well in LA. Bullock looks to me like a good prospect, but he's buried behind they're plethora of shooters. C'mon LA, give it up. You need Hendo - Doc River's kind of glue guy, you don't need a kid shooter like Reggie.
Other ideas:
Hendo to PHI for Thad Young ($8.8 M x 2)
Hendo to PHI for Jason Richardson ($6.2 player option)
Hendo to TOR for Steve Novak + Dwight Buycks
Hendo to WAS for Martell Webster ($5 M x 3)
Hendo to WAS for Andre Miller ($5 M x 1)
Hendo to SAC for Carl Landry ($6.5 x 3)
Hendo to SAC for Jason Thompson ($5.6 for 3)
Hendo to HOU for Jeremy Lin or Omer Asik (both on $8 Mln contracts that balloon to $15M)
The point of the list of other ideas: You can see that trading Hendo is not easy. Many of the players for whom he might be dealt have warts. Trades that make sense to a CHA fan, such as Hendo to DEN for Wilson Chandler, make you ask, why would that team do that (they wouldn't).
catch20two wrote:Snidely FC wrote:The thing about an NBA roster is every position filled represents an opportunity cost. In other words, if Hendo weren't on the team, how could CHA spend that $6 Million per year.
I happen to be a little more okay, apparently, with Hendo's presence on this roster than most on this board. His athleticism and tenacity bring something to the team. I wish he were a more consistent shooter, though his percentages aren't horrible (35% from 3 is better than I expected from the eye test). And he does make a lot more bone-headed plays than I would expect from a player I thought would be high BBIQ.
However, a lot on this board want him gone, and I would not object if we could find a good replacement.
What I found in firing up the Trade Machine is that there are no longer many contracts in the $6 Mln range. I won't be the first to point out many teams are paying big bucks for stars then a million to a bunch of role players to fill the roster. A cursory look led me to feel that many would-be Hendo replacements are equally flawed.
Still, I tried to fashion some Hendo trades. Here are some, with comments:
Hendo + POR pick for Kyle Korver.
Korver is just the 3 pt specialist the Alfense demands, and he showed no drop off in quality, despite being 33 years old this year. So, why would ATL trade him? Well, because he is 33. Korver's contract is a match at $6.7/ but he's got 3 more years, meaning he will be 36 at contract's end. When his game starts to diminish it's going to go fast. They would get a younger SG in return + the POR pick, two players in line with what appears to be more of a youth movement in ATL. CHA gets a terrific shooter entering the stage of career where the next injury could hasten the end.
Hendo to CLE for Jarrett Jack
Jack didn't work out this year in CLE. It doesn't look like he's a good fit behind Kyrie Irving. And CHA would not be getting a SG in return for Hendo. But we have CDR and Neal at SG now, and most fans calling for the team to draft a young shooter, such as PJ Hairston, at 24. Yet PG is a desperate need. Ridnour should be out the door based on his play here. Enter Jack, a combo guard, scorer, with good size for the position who could back up Kemba and play alongside him, much in the same manner that Ramon did (well, hopefully with some more passes thrown in). Jack, at $6.3 for 3 more years, is a match contract wise, and at 33 by contract end should not turn into lost money.
Hendo + Gary Neal to OKC for Perkins & Jeremy Lamb. Okay, half the board (at least) wants Lamb, so I tried to look at a way to get him here. Kendrick Perkins is at $8.7 MLN for another year, Lamb $2 MLN for 2. Perk looks as creaky as a wooden bridge. Hendo and Neal give them what they give us, tenacity and athleticism from Hendo and shooting from Neal. If they lose to LA I could see them feeling the need to bring in new blood. Still, Perk will be expiring, and Brooks seems irrationally attached to him, not sure they do this one.
Hendo + Neal + Taylor for Eric Gordon.
NO tried to bring in a bunch of guys that would be hard to guard. Problem is those guys don't want to share the ball. Add in Gordon's injuries and his $14 MLn contract for 2 more yrs and he is a bad fit in NO. But Gordon's style of play - knock down shooter playing off Kemba and Al - fits CHA much better. The contract is crazy, really, but CHA has the cap room. If Gordon can return to his pre-NO ways - he's younger, 25, than Hendo, so making that bet isn't far-fetched - replacing Hendo, Neal and Taylor with Gordon would work.
Hendo to DEN for Darrel Arthur and Evan Fournier
Arthur had a bad year, such that it seems DEN would be happy to be rid of him. The price? Fournier. This kid can really shoot, and at 21, strikes me as the kind of player the Spurs scoop up. Get him before he breaks out.
Hendo to LAC for Jared Dudley and Reggie Bullock
Dudley had a bad year. He's a flow kind of guy. He's not going to get the minutes he needs to play well in LA. Bullock looks to me like a good prospect, but he's buried behind they're plethora of shooters. C'mon LA, give it up. You need Hendo - Doc River's kind of glue guy, you don't need a kid shooter like Reggie.
Other ideas:
Hendo to PHI for Thad Young ($8.8 M x 2)
Hendo to PHI for Jason Richardson ($6.2 player option)
Hendo to TOR for Steve Novak + Dwight Buycks
Hendo to WAS for Martell Webster ($5 M x 3)
Hendo to WAS for Andre Miller ($5 M x 1)
Hendo to SAC for Carl Landry ($6.5 x 3)
Hendo to SAC for Jason Thompson ($5.6 for 3)
Hendo to HOU for Jeremy Lin or Omer Asik (both on $8 Mln contracts that balloon to $15M)
The point of the list of other ideas: You can see that trading Hendo is not easy. Many of the players for whom he might be dealt have warts. Trades that make sense to a CHA fan, such as Hendo to DEN for Wilson Chandler, make you ask, why would that team do that (they wouldn't).
Great post. I would trade Hendo for all of those proposals except the Eric Gordon, Jason Richardson, Steve Novak, Carl Landry, or Martell Webster one.
That Jarrett Jack one actually kinda intrigue me.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
BrotherDave wrote:I kind of feel bad for Hendo b/c they've really built the team around him awkwardly. If Cho had drafted guys that could shoot, we wouldn't be jumping on his case all the time. But we drafted non-shooters to put around him, and only Kemba has any decent trade value, so those young guys are the foundation and leaves Hendo the odd man out.
He just needs to come off the bench, even if it's for CDR.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
BrotherDave wrote:I kind of feel bad for Hendo b/c they've really built the team around him awkwardly. If Cho had drafted guys that could shoot, we wouldn't be jumping on his case all the time. But we drafted non-shooters to put around him, and only Kemba has any decent trade value, so those young guys are the foundation and leaves Hendo the odd man out.
He just needs to come off the bench, even if it's for CDR.
mrknowitall215 wrote:BrotherDave wrote:I kind of feel bad for Hendo b/c they've really built the team around him awkwardly. If Cho had drafted guys that could shoot, we wouldn't be jumping on his case all the time. But we drafted non-shooters to put around him, and only Kemba has any decent trade value, so those young guys are the foundation and leaves Hendo the odd man out.
He just needs to come off the bench, even if it's for CDR.
I wouldn't say that the team was built around Henderson, but he's had a exclusive opportunity as the go-to scorer in consecutive seasons to showcase himself, and the only time he did was during a 2-month stretch to trick Cho into re-signing him
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Liver_Pooty wrote:mrknowitall215 wrote:BrotherDave wrote:I kind of feel bad for Hendo b/c they've really built the team around him awkwardly. If Cho had drafted guys that could shoot, we wouldn't be jumping on his case all the time. But we drafted non-shooters to put around him, and only Kemba has any decent trade value, so those young guys are the foundation and leaves Hendo the odd man out.
He just needs to come off the bench, even if it's for CDR.
I wouldn't say that the team was built around Henderson, but he's had a exclusive opportunity as the go-to scorer in consecutive seasons to showcase himself, and the only time he did was during a 2-month stretch to trick Cho into re-signing him
Henderson is a good 4th option, and I think he would be a good starter on some teams in the league. Its not like hes trash by any means. Hes is a good overall player. Some of you talk about him like he is trash.
mrknowitall215 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:mrknowitall215 wrote:
I wouldn't say that the team was built around Henderson, but he's had a exclusive opportunity as the go-to scorer in consecutive seasons to showcase himself, and the only time he did was during a 2-month stretch to trick Cho into re-signing him
Henderson is a good 4th option, and I think he would be a good starter on some teams in the league. Its not like hes trash by any means. Hes is a good overall player. Some of you talk about him like he is trash.
Henderson is to a certain extent 'Thabo Sefolosha' on a contending team. Of course Henderson is better than Sefolosha, but typically what I'm saying is that he'd average less than 10 points on a team that had a roster full on scoring talent. For instance, if MKG was currently a 15-20 point per game player, Henderson would've averaged about 10 points or less this season
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
Liver_Pooty wrote:mrknowitall215 wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:
Henderson is a good 4th option, and I think he would be a good starter on some teams in the league. Its not like hes trash by any means. Hes is a good overall player. Some of you talk about him like he is trash.
Henderson is to a certain extent 'Thabo Sefolosha' on a contending team. Of course Henderson is better than Sefolosha, but typically what I'm saying is that he'd average less than 10 points on a team that had a roster full on scoring talent. For instance, if MKG was currently a 15-20 point per game player, Henderson would've averaged about 10 points or less this season
Thats theoretically what I meant by a 4th option. Except Thabo can knock down a three.
Snidely FC wrote:The thing about an NBA roster is every position filled represents an opportunity cost. In other words, if Hendo weren't on the team, how could CHA spend that $6 Million per year.
Charlotte Hornets guard Gerald Henderson underwent successful arthroscopic surgery on his right wrist to remove scar tissue. Henderson’s wrist will be immobilized for approximately two weeks before he begins the rehabilitation process.
mrknowitall215 wrote:I was bored and decided to go over advanced stats when I happened to go on 82games' website only to find out that we were +1.6 with Henderson off the court and -1.4 with him on the court. That's pretty bad considering that he was the only starter with a negative net rating last season