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Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards

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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#141 » by JMAC3 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:16 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
BigSlam wrote:Ben McLemore or Dwayne Wade.

This kids possible range of possible outcome is sooooooooo far apart it’s scary.


I dont think he'll ever be Wade, but there is a chance he could be Donovan Mitchell-lite.


It’s tough to become as good a player as Wade and you will go broke more often not making such claims. It’s much easier to have a pessimistic outlook on prospects because flat out more often then not they don’t reach these electric ceilings that are laid out in front of them.

Now after saying all that, I don’t think there is any reason based on what we saw out of Mitchell in college vs what we saw out of Edwards in college that says he can’t reach that level of player. Mitchell never once went for over 25 points in THREE TIMES in two seasons vs Edwards doing this SEVEN TIMES in one year shortened year.

Again this doesn’t mean it will definitely happen, but I can’t find any specific reason to think it can’t happen or won’t happen other than again prospects fail more often than succeed.

I will also say when comparing Edwards to McLemore I don’t see it. Edwards is the type of dude that will make sure your mom and uncles know he dunked on you where as McLemore felt like the type of guy you had to convince he was good.

He would fade in and out of games at Kansas and seemed to lack confidence. I don’t worry about that with Edwards, confidence mixed with elite talent will get you far in basketball.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#142 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:22 pm

The Lowe post podcast touched on this. He doesn't bring it every night and the trajectory of guys coming out of college like that usually isn't great.

That's why I would want him in Miami or GS or something where culture is strong and winning is expected. He'll learn good habits there far easier than he will on a team that has a lot of bad losses.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#143 » by Rays Pompadour » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:59 pm

Edwards' issue will always be between the ears. I say that because the physical part is there, a given. To be considered franchise-level, however, Edwards will have to demonstrate dedication, maturity and a drive to greatness. I'm dubious.

Hopefully, Jordan's time with the young man recently gave him a read on the condition of Edwards' head. If Charlotte drafts him, look to Jordan to have greatly influenced the pick. But from an outsider's point of view, it's not a good look.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#144 » by JMAC3 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:59 pm

I would like to see everyones rankings for IQ guys in the lottery if this draft because it seems to be a reason many are down on certain guys.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#145 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:30 am

I don't think that Edwards' problem is IQ. More like motor or desire.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#146 » by BigSlam » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:53 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I don't think that Edwards' problem is IQ. More like motor or desire.

Poor shot selection = problematic BBIQ though - doesn’t it?

And he’s said to be a bit of a chucker who settles for bad shots.

Also doesn’t create a heck of a lot for others, so might not see the game very well?


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Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#147 » by BigSlam » Wed Nov 11, 2020 1:54 am

JMAC3 wrote:I would like to see everyones rankings for IQ guys in the lottery if this draft because it seems to be a reason many are down on certain guys.

Good question: Maybe post it in the draft discussion thread and get some discussion going about it there? I’m interested in the responses you’ll get as well.

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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#148 » by SWedd523 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:27 am

He'll either be a star and people will go "Duh I called it from the start"

Or he'll be a huge bust and people will go "Duh I called it from the start"
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#149 » by HornetJail » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:31 am

SWedd523 wrote:He'll either be a star and people will go "Duh I called it from the start"

Or he'll be a huge bust and people will go "Duh I called it from the start"

I think that holds true for basically every top pick that wasn't a consensus game changing talent, ever
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#150 » by driveandkick » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:37 am

We also have to remember with Anthony Edwards that he was already living in a pandemic because all he wanted to do was get better
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#151 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:55 am

BigSlam wrote:
Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:I don't think that Edwards' problem is IQ. More like motor or desire.

Poor shot selection = problematic BBIQ though - doesn’t it?

And he’s said to be a bit of a chucker who settles for bad shots.

Also doesn’t create a heck of a lot for others, so might not see the game very well?


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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#152 » by amcoolio » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:19 pm

Creen told Edwards to be the man and win games, so I am not concerned about shot selection. He's actually a decent passer and shot creator.

I am concerned that he is lazy and just wants to get paid/hang out with his friends and won't put maximum effort in

I mean, the NBA season starts in a month and he showed up out of shape for his workout just a few weeks ago. I don't by the covid excuse, Maxey looked great in the same workout. You would think Maxey should be the top 3 pick.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#153 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:29 pm

I'm not overly concerned with motivation. JB has been able to coach up effort. Edwards would be surrounded by hungry players who play hard and want to win. Even Malik Monk put together a streak that showed he has more in the tank than he ever put forth his first two seasons. I just think our rebuild culture is very healthy and that we have solid development staff for support. A player like Edwards might go backwards in the wrong situation. Even additions outside the draft like Rozier had a reputation of being go-getters.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#154 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Nov 11, 2020 4:34 pm

One possibility with some of these higher end prospects is they don't want to risk injury because it will cost money. They've locked in their draft position. Wiseman, Edwards both fit this description. I can't fault them for playing it safe and locking in that money for themselves and their families.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#155 » by cornchip » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:38 pm

Not trying to be a homer but I think we would've seen a much better version of Edwards under Roy with UNC. I think he would've shined in transition and playing at a much higher tempo.

The workout was what it was. We say we can't make judgements on a 1 vs. 0 workout....and the we make judgements on a 1 vs. 0 workout. I think we have enough high motor/high character guys to where Edwards would be in a near perfect situation.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#156 » by Rich4114 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:34 pm

The opinions on all of the top 3 names are so damn polarizing. Really have to remember how young these guys are though. The physical traits for all three are certainly there and I think this is the type of draft you just have to take the risk with one of them and try to develop them into what their physical traits say they can be. My biggest gripe with going for someone who seems more polished but has a lower ceiling is that we've already got a roster full of those types. I don't want us to have a roster full of MKG's and Zellers that we can give $14m/yr contracts to when their rookie deals end because we still think they can develop but they aren't a max type player. If Edwards is there and we take him, I'm all in. If he fizzles out Anthony Bennet style, then you can't fault us for taking our swing. If it works out like it could work out though, we have our star.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#157 » by wilson115 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:14 am

Rays Pompadour wrote:Hopefully, Jordan's time with the young man recently gave him a read on the condition of Edwards' head. If Charlotte drafts him, look to Jordan to have greatly influenced the pick. But from an outsider's point of view, it's not a good look.

Someone looks like he'd be happy with that outcome.

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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#158 » by 316Hornets » Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:36 am

Georgia is not a basketball school. Edwards went there to showcase his skills, he didn't go there to join a superteam. When people say he has low bball IQ or a chucker, it's important to consider his teammates ability. Kemba was labeled a chucker when we didn't have any talent here and he's adjusted to playing on a deeper team. I like Edwards because he has experience being guarded by multiple people, teams setting up their entire defense against him. If he were to realize his potential for us, that's some important experience to have.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#159 » by yosemiteben » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:15 am

I have a hard time knocking Ball for his shooting and not holding that against Edwards. His percentages and shot selection are, shall we say, not enviable.
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Re: Prospect Thread: Anthony Edwards 

Post#160 » by SWedd523 » Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:18 am

Difference being that I can see Edwards having a realistic shot at developing a passable shot. His form is relatively clean.

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