The Gordon Hayward Thread

[catch20two]

Putting his face on a welcome screen really isn't pulling out all the stops.

Well isn't he the first free agent that we're bringing in for a visit?

[Liver_Pooty]

I seriously hope Hayward isn't our end all be all. He's not the final piece we need. We'd be better off just trading for Alec Burks and paying him 1/4 of what Hayward want. Burks was almost as good as Hayward last year to be honest.

Jazz fan are as high on Burks than they are Favors and Hayward.

[Liver_Pooty]

Putting his face on a welcome screen really isn't pulling out all the stops.

Well isn't he the first free agent that we're bringing in for a visit?

I believe so.

[RaulLopez]

I guess Jabari Parker is LeBron James and Kevin Durant already in the Jazz' front office's eyes then. Anyway, if I'm the Jazz front office I would be trying to make some type of move. I wouldn't move Favors though, because I like his defensive prowess combined with his physical nature. He embodies what the power forward position is traditionally about. However, I might be looking to move Enes Kanter even though unfortunately I'm uncertain if there's a legit market for his services that would give something decent in return

Likewise with everything else you said though, I don't necessarily understand what Gordon Hayward and his agent's negotiations with Charlotte is about. Personally, I'm not really interested in him unless it's between $7-9 million annually, and even that might turn into a regret in hindsight

In the Utah market the Jazz were denying Favors was ever in any talks to get number 1 from Cavs, even when it was being reported nationally. Beat writers felt these were leaks from the Cavs trying to drive up the price for the pick with the 76s. Cavs never had any interest in pick 5 or Favors. At least that was reported in Utah after the fact. And I am not saying the Jazz would not move Favors for something that improves the team. So it would not have to be James or Durant. But they are not just looking to unload.

Now you mention Kanter, I think that could be a different story. He has played so little basketball in his life, that he has issues knowing where and what he should be doing. He is a talented big man that the Jazz might not have money to resign. That said, I could see the Jazz willing to move Kanter for the right price and that right price would not be great.

I highly doubt Hayward takes $7-9 million. But he might. The thing you need to understand is, Hayward hates to lose. All the loses last year really got to him mentally. It drove him crazy. Jazz fans could see it in the interviews he did. I think the most important thing to Hayward is, to play next year some place that has a chance of going to the playoffs. That is not happening on the Jazz. I mean the Sun won 48 games in the West and did not make the playoffs. So I can see why he is looking East. And they must feel they can scare the Jazz into a sign and trade by saying they will take a qualifying offer if they don't.

At which time I think the Jazz have to look at the assets coming back in the sign and trade and compare that to what they think they might get mid season in a trade. You would think the Jazz would get more in the sign and trade as a team taking him mid season would not be sure he would re-sign at the end of the year. I mean Hayward could say he would resign with the new team and the team could make the deal but they still have no real promise Hayward will resign. Sign and trade they know they have him locked up for 4 years and you would think would offer more to get him. Me just guessing there.

I am very interested in where this goes.

[Dancingpanda]

So i was thinking, Hayward is a RFA so signing him straight up means potentially overpaying in order to keep the Jazz form matching, which The Jazz could do anyways. So a Sign and Trade would be the other option,but what can we offer for Hayward that wouldn't set us back (example: trading MKG) in my opinion Henderson+Zeller most likely wont cut it. But with The reports of Cho looking to facilitate trades and teams looking to dump contracts (such as Lin, Jarrett Jack, and Marcus Thornton to name a few) maybe we set up a 3 team trade to give Utah multiple picks or players while we get Hayward? To me this may be the sort of thing that makes sence and allows us to get better without regressing. But thats just my 2 cents

[Bassman]

Again, look at the evidence:

> Jazz have already said they will match any offer, and frankly would be glad to do so, as it locks up Hayward and helps their salary situation. Yet, the Hornets welcome him and his family like long lost kin.
> The leverage play is only to convince Utah to S&T, or get just the qualifying offer and 1 year of Opie without potential compensation for their asset. Really? Think Hayward will turn away a big contract versus the risk of a 1 year deal?

To me it appears the Hornets are making a strong play for several reasons. They do want Hayward but know it will be very difficult. But I suspect Opie is the guy Big Al said would help us a lot, and they want to show him they are making every effort to try. This could also be the reason Lance is not in play (yet), as they have to play this out. Still, I just doubt we have a diva on our hands in Big Al, and have to pacify him. So I do think they are serious, but realistic in their ability to land this guy.

[MasterIchiro]

Again, look at the evidence:

> Jazz have already said they will match any offer, and frankly would be glad to do so, as it locks up Hayward and helps their salary situation. Yet, the Hornets welcome him and his family like long lost kin.
> The leverage play is only to convince Utah to S&T, or get just the qualifying offer and 1 year of Opie without potential compensation for their asset. Really? Think Hayward will turn away a big contract versus the risk of a 1 year deal?

To me it appears the Hornets are making a strong play for several reasons. They do want Hayward but know it will be very difficult. But I suspect Opie is the guy Big Al said would help us a lot, and they want to show him they are making every effort to try. This could also be the reason Lance is not in play (yet), as they have to play this out. Still, I just doubt we have a diva on our hands in Big Al, and have to pacify him. So I do think they are serious, but realistic in their ability to land this guy.

Lance has no offers from anyone except the Pacers. His agent obviously has put things on hold while luring buyers. We could definitely join the party. Nobody is ahead of us. I would start to rule out Lance if he starts receiving offers and we are not one of the teams rumored to offer.

[JDR720]

Lance and Gordon will probably get a similar offer (within a couple million) but i would rather get Lance (even tho i think Gordon is better) simply because we wouldn't have to trade anyone to get Lance

[MasterIchiro]

Lance and Gordon will probably get a similar offer (within a couple million) but i would rather get Lance (even tho i think Gordon is better) simply because we wouldn't have to trade anyone to get Lance

But if the plan is to get both, Hayward is the one you secure first since acquiring him is more involved.

[JDR720]

Lance and Gordon will probably get a similar offer (within a couple million) but i would rather get Lance (even tho i think Gordon is better) simply because we wouldn't have to trade anyone to get Lance

But if the plan is to get both, Hayward is the one you secure first since acquiring him is more involved.

Why would the plan be to get both, Lance is a SG and Gordon is a SG

[BeesWax]

Lance and Gordon will probably get a similar offer (within a couple million) but i would rather get Lance (even tho i think Gordon is better) simply because we wouldn't have to trade anyone to get Lance

But if the plan is to get both, Hayward is the one you secure first since acquiring him is more involved.

Why would the plan be to get both, Lance is a SG and Gordon is a SG

Either can also play SF. I don't see the point in both of them since we have MKG to pair them with but if we really wanted to make a splash and waste some cash it is possible to fit them together.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

At which time I think the Jazz have to look at the assets coming back in the sign and trade and compare that to what they think they might get mid season in a trade. You would think the Jazz would get more in the sign and trade as a team taking him mid season would not be sure he would re-sign at the end of the year. I mean Hayward could say he would resign with the new team and the team could make the deal but they still have no real promise Hayward will resign. Sign and trade they know they have him locked up for 4 years and you would think would offer more to get him. Me just guessing there.

I am very interested in where this goes.

If he signs the Qualifying Offer the Jazz can't trade him. Last season was the time to do a mid-season trade. The only realistic way for the Jazz to do that now would be to get him to agree to a long term contract anyway ... And if they are only doing that to trade him anyway what's his incentive to sign? He would lose all control over where he ends up.

Honestly I expect that this will end up being a sign and trade this summer or he just signs the Qualifying Offer and becomes unrestricted next year. What his agent is doing seems smart to me. Absolutely in his clients best interest.

[Liver_Pooty]

Must be one hell of a dinner.

[JDR720]

Must be one hell of a dinner.

Probably waiting Al to get done eating everything

[KembaWalker]

With all the major guys too busy stalking Dan Gilberts plane etc and our local reporter being Bonnell, we probably wont find out anything about how this meeting went till next week

[BeesWax]

With all the major guys too busy stalking Dan Gilberts plane etc and our local reporter being Bonnell, we probably wont find out anything about how this meeting went till next week

This is most likely very accurate. I would love to get some inside information on any trade offers but until we get a real writer that's a lost cause.

[JDR720]

With all the major guys too busy stalking Dan Gilberts plane etc and our local reporter being Bonnell, we probably wont find out anything about how this meeting went till next week

one of the people that cover the Panthers will have something before Bonnell even realizes the meeting was today

[Liver_Pooty]

With all the major guys too busy stalking Dan Gilberts plane etc and our local reporter being Bonnell, we probably wont find out anything about how this meeting went till next week

Surprised he didn't ask Hayward to follow him so he could DM him like he did that 17 year old kid last night. Top tier journalism at its finest right there.

[Eoghan]

You know what, I don't want Hayward here if that means Al stays longer.

*dodges rotten fruit*

*picks through edible pieces to maintain Paleo diet*

[JDR720]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/gordonhayward/status/480729322567655425[/tweet]

based on this tweet, he will fit in great with Biz and Zeller as our other #TweetMasters