#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[MasterIchiro]

I remember at the first of the year, Lance was beating Al to the ball and getting rebounds. This made Al mad and you cold tell it did, and people commented on it and blasted Lance for it. Lance was being aggressive, battling, and hustling to get the ball for his team, not his fault Al was being lazy and waiting on the ball. Go get the ball and stop pouting, it's called lazy and selfish.

There was also a rumor Lance complained to Cliff he deserves the same amount of touches as Al gets and then complained to teammates (Pargo) that Cliff is not a real coach.

There is no doubt in my mind the biggest rift on the team is between Lance and Big Al. Al is very non-confrontational so the clash is not a complete disaster. Biz stepping up translates more to Cliff making changes than does Lance's complaints or fan angst over Alffense and no defense and Al's selfish play.

I think that is the rift also. Big Al got jealous of Lance out hustling him for rebounds which made him look bad. People listen to Al, and Lance got in defense mode. He felt everybody was against him and got defensive.

Could be, would love to see Lance's response if the front office switched gears and dealt Al instead of Lance in that Lamb + Jack trade. We know the 1st unit is better with Biz. And we know the 2nd unit is better with Lance. It's easy arithmetic. Maybe Lance would evolve as a player and teammate.

[stinger14]

There was also a rumor Lance complained to Cliff he deserves the same amount of touches as Al gets and then complained to teammates (Pargo) that Cliff is not a real coach.

There is no doubt in my mind the biggest rift on the team is between Lance and Big Al. Al is very non-confrontational so the clash is not a complete disaster. Biz stepping up translates more to Cliff making changes than does Lance's complaints or fan angst over Alffense and no defense and Al's selfish play.

I think that is the rift also. Big Al got jealous of Lance out hustling him for rebounds which made him look bad. People listen to Al, and Lance got in defense mode. He felt everybody was against him and got defensive.

Could be, would love to see Lance's response if the front office switched gears and dealt Al instead of Lance in that Lamb + Jack trade. We know the 1st unit is better with Biz. And we know the 2nd unit is better with Lance. It's easy arithmetic. Maybe Lance would evolve as a player and teammate.

Yeah especially having a couple of weapons around him, Lance may change his entire view and become the player we need. It sure worked last night as Lance played well and had a good attitude.

[catch20two]

Remember when Biz was getting DNP-CDs? Ought to make Cliff feel and look stupid nowadays. Clifford's rotations and odd favoritism for certain players will be reason he get fired if it ever comes to that.

I know some of you will try to defend Cliff about it prolly being a motivational tool and look how it's worked but I don't think that's the case so let me think what I think.

[stinger14]

Remember when Biz was getting DNP-CDs? Ought to make Cliff feel and look stupid nowadays. Clifford's rotations and odd favoritism for certain players will be reason he get fired if it ever comes to that.

I know some of you will try to defend Cliff about it prolly being a motivational tool and look how it's worked but I don't think that's the case so let me think what I think.

Playing Max over Biz still has me scratching my head

[MasterIchiro]

Remember when Biz was getting DNP-CDs? Ought to make Cliff feel and look stupid nowadays. Clifford's rotations and odd favoritism for certain players will be reason he get fired if it ever comes to that.

I know some of you will try to defend Cliff about it prolly being a motivational tool and look how it's worked but I don't think that's the case so let me think what I think.

Cliff acknowledged Biz has come a long way since 2 years ago and i think he's kind of suggesting that he was kind of scarred by past performance. No doubt Cliff is embarrassed by Maxiell over Biz. Biz still has a long ways to go before he is part of a contender though.

[yosemiteben]

Not gonna lie, I'm still a bit baffled by the Biz / Maxiell experiment at the beginning of the season.

[catch20two]

Remember when Biz was getting DNP-CDs? Ought to make Cliff feel and look stupid nowadays. Clifford's rotations and odd favoritism for certain players will be reason he get fired if it ever comes to that.

I know some of you will try to defend Cliff about it prolly being a motivational tool and look how it's worked but I don't think that's the case so let me think what I think.

Cliff acknowledged Biz has come a long way since 2 years ago and i think he's kind of suggesting that he was kind of scarred by past performance. No doubt Cliff is embarrassed by Maxiell over Biz. Biz still has a long ways to go before he is part of a contender though.

Biz played this way last year too. His minutes were just so limited and Al stayed healthy that we never got to see it in extended minutes. But Biz showed these very same flashes last year. Cliff just didn't like Biz and was forced his hand to play him this go-around.

[stinger14]

Remember when Biz was getting DNP-CDs? Ought to make Cliff feel and look stupid nowadays. Clifford's rotations and odd favoritism for certain players will be reason he get fired if it ever comes to that.

I know some of you will try to defend Cliff about it prolly being a motivational tool and look how it's worked but I don't think that's the case so let me think what I think.

Cliff acknowledged Biz has come a long way since 2 years ago and i think he's kind of suggesting that he was kind of scarred by past performance. No doubt Cliff is embarrassed by Maxiell over Biz. Biz still has a long ways to go before he is part of a contender though.

Biz played this way last year too. His minutes were just so limited and Al stayed healthy that we never got to see it in extended minutes. But Biz showed these very same flashes last year. Cliff just didn't like Biz and was forced his hand to play him this go-around.

^^^^This is so true. I actually posted about this a couple days ago. Think about Ramon Sessions for a few minutes. He was on the floor with Biz during his time here. Biz did the same things for Sessions he has been doing for Kemba by popping out, setting screens, and opening the paint up for driving lanes. Sessions had way more success here than anywhere else, and Biz helped him do that.

[MasterIchiro]

Here's a theory - Cliff blocked Biz because he was scarred by losing McRoberts and doesn't want the same thing to happen in Al. An upgrade over Biz from the front office would give him a little more insurance and a little more confidence that he could be successful with this roster. Cliff was communicating that he wanted an upgrade and had major concerns about Biz on a win-now team. Biz made all kinds of stupid fouls last year on Cliff's watch and his hands were terrible. Traumatized Cliff, imagining butterfingers bonehead replacing Al after Cliff just lost McRoberts. But the game seems to be slowing down for Biz - he knows what's going on around him. He's responding to coaching. He's paying attention. I think he's being coached up in this system which indicates Clifford recognizes his strengths - even said so in a post game - rebounding - defense - setting screens. Cliff knows Biz is a different player now. Learning curves are hard to predict and all coaches make mistakes. Biz is front and center now so Cliff recognizes it. We'll see if the front office sees the same things we see and Cliff sees.

[stinger14]

Here's a theory - Cliff blocked Biz because he was scarred by losing McRoberts and doesn't want the same thing to happen in Al. An upgrade over Biz from the front office would give him a little more insurance and a little more confidence that he could be successful with this roster. Cliff was communicating that he wanted an upgrade and had major concerns about Biz on a win-now team. Biz made all kinds of stupid fouls last year on Cliff's watch and his hands were terrible. Traumatized Cliff, imagining butterfingers bonehead replacing Al after Cliff just lost McRoberts. But the game seems to be slowing down for Biz - he knows what's going on around him. He's responding to coaching. He's paying attention. I think he's being coached up in this system which indicates Clifford recognizes his strengths - even said so in a post game - rebounding - defense - setting screens. Cliff knows Biz is a different player now. Learning curves are hard to predict and all coaches make mistakes. Biz is front and center now so Cliff recognizes it. We'll see if the front office sees the same things we see and Cliff sees.

[stinger14]

Here's a theory - Cliff blocked Biz because he was scarred by losing McRoberts and doesn't want the same thing to happen in Al. An upgrade over Biz from the front office would give him a little more insurance and a little more confidence that he could be successful with this roster. Cliff was communicating that he wanted an upgrade and had major concerns about Biz on a win-now team. Biz made all kinds of stupid fouls last year on Cliff's watch and his hands were terrible. Traumatized Cliff, imagining butterfingers bonehead replacing Al after Cliff just lost McRoberts. But the game seems to be slowing down for Biz - he knows what's going on around him. He's responding to coaching. He's paying attention. I think he's being coached up in this system which indicates Clifford recognizes his strengths - even said so in a post game - rebounding - defense - setting screens. Cliff knows Biz is a different player now. Learning curves are hard to predict and all coaches make mistakes. Biz is front and center now so Cliff recognizes it. We'll see if the front office sees the same things we see and Cliff sees.

Biz was better than most thought last year, but he has for sure learned how not to foul as much. His hands have also improved. Biz is an elite rebounder and rim protector. He is now capable of giving you about 10 points per game. Let him stay as the starter, get more experience, and continue to get better. He can be the center on a competitive team

[yosemiteben]

So Clifford playing Maxiell over Biz was because Clifford was trying to make sure the FO appreciated the value of Al? You think the FO undervalued Al?

[catch20two]

So Clifford playing Maxiell over Biz was because Clifford was trying to make sure the FO appreciated the value of Al? You think the FO undervalued Al?

[BlackOutBuzz]

So Clifford playing Maxiell over Biz was because Clifford was trying to make sure the FO appreciated the value of Al? You think the FO undervalued Al?

This whole season is one big conspiracy, man.

I'd like to think the Maxiell experiment was done to motivate Biz, but I don't know.

[MasterIchiro]

Here's a theory - Cliff blocked Biz because he was scarred by losing McRoberts and doesn't want the same thing to happen in Al. An upgrade over Biz from the front office would give him a little more insurance and a little more confidence that he could be successful with this roster. Cliff was communicating that he wanted an upgrade and had major concerns about Biz on a win-now team. Biz made all kinds of stupid fouls last year on Cliff's watch and his hands were terrible. Traumatized Cliff, imagining butterfingers bonehead replacing Al after Cliff just lost McRoberts. But the game seems to be slowing down for Biz - he knows what's going on around him. He's responding to coaching. He's paying attention. I think he's being coached up in this system which indicates Clifford recognizes his strengths - even said so in a post game - rebounding - defense - setting screens. Cliff knows Biz is a different player now. Learning curves are hard to predict and all coaches make mistakes. Biz is front and center now so Cliff recognizes it. We'll see if the front office sees the same things we see and Cliff sees.

Biz was better than most thought last year, but he has for sure learned how not to foul as much. His hands have also improved. Biz is an elite rebounder and rim protector. He is now capable of giving you about 10 points per game. Let him stay as the starter, get more experience, and continue to get better. He can be the center on a competitive team

EXactly - Biz proved to Cliff that it's not the same disaster if Al opts out as McRoberts signing in Miami.

[MasterIchiro]

This whole season is one big conspiracy, man.

Conspiracy? I merely suggested Clifford felt (perhaps even subconsciously) uneasy with Biz thrust into a bigger role on a team expected to win now with a looming opt out of the coach's biggest crutch. With Maxiell more valued than Biz, we really saw a manifestation of the coach's concerns of Biz' long-term role with the team.

But I guess it's fun to indulge a poster who twisted my words and implied I said something else like "The front office doesn't realize Big Al's value to the team".

Weak sauce.

I think you know what I meant and so did Catch22 who doesn't mind stirring **** because he gets off on it.

[MasterIchiro]

So Clifford playing Maxiell over Biz was because Clifford was trying to make sure the FO appreciated the value of Al? You think the FO undervalued Al?

I changed my policy with you. I told you I would not talk basketball with you and not respond to your posts about basketball. I will defend myself when you put words in my mouth. My response to this post is…

I did not say that.

This will be the response phrase I use for every future post where you suggest I'm saying something I'm not saying. You can go ahead an interpret my posts as you wish and translate them as you wish.

But in the end and for future references.

I did not say that.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lol. Everyone sure is feisty on this beautiful Sunday afternoon.

[yosemiteben]

So Clifford playing Maxiell over Biz was because Clifford was trying to make sure the FO appreciated the value of Al? You think the FO undervalued Al?

I changed my policy with you. I told you I would not talk basketball with you and not respond to your posts about basketball. I will defend myself when you put words in my mouth. My response to this post is…

I did not say that.

This will be the response phrase I use for every future post where you suggest I'm saying something I'm not saying. You can go ahead an interpret my posts as you wish and translate them as you wish.

But in the end and for future references.

I did not say that.

Be careful, that's dangerously close to dialogue and we don't want you getting your feelings hurt by mean old me.

You said "Cliff blocked Biz because he was scarred by losing McRoberts and doesn't want the same thing to happen in Al." If you want to now say that doesn't mean Cliff "blocked" Biz because he doesn't want to lose Al, go for it.

[stinger14]

Lol. Everyone sure is feisty on this beautiful Sunday afternoon.

Just proves the theory. Al is the cause of everybody not getting along.