Not In The Face - The Jeremy Lin Thread 3

[Marionettetc]

Edit - removing entire post.

[qiantom]

To me, the important thing is that the video may result in Lin and the team getting more favorable calls when it matters in the playoffs. This is a huge plus for both Lin and the team. Nobody here should be complaining about that.

Whether the video makes analytical sense, who cares? NBA certainly has officiating issues and you can spin it many ways. When has this country been about making sense? When has this league been about making sense? It is much more important to get your voice heard than making sense and the video certainly managed to get plenty of attention.

[fatlever]

Lets keep the race comments out of this thread.

[yosemiteben]

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I don't think that's a fair characterization of the Lin fans on this board. We have had some valuable posters join the board since Lin came aboard and it's not fair to lump those posters in with Lin fans as a whole.

ETA: wow, I didn't read that whole post until just now. That is way out of line.

[2k15]

bs, bs, more bs

cool story brah

[2k15]

"If you disagree, you're racist" is never much of a winning argument.

IMO this dude on the GB nailed it: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=46591707#p46591707

i dont agree. the fouls in the video by kobe and carmelo should have been called flagrant. no amount of statistical or data analysis will convince me of otherwise. its funny to play in the world of probabilities when you have clear video proof of what had actually happened.

i think jared dudley makes a pretty compelling point in that jeremy lin is a bad actor. hes either too proud to sell contact or he doesn't know how to sell contact and so refs often times missed calls on him because of the pace that he plays at and because they dont give him the benefit of the doubt.

that missed calls may not be unique to jeremy (it may be unique to the way he approaches this game) doesnt change the fact that it does happen to him and it really should not (esp with respect to those over the top violent fouls).

[yosemiteben]

"If you disagree, you're racist" is never much of a winning argument.

IMO this dude on the GB nailed it: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=46591707#p46591707

i dont agree. the fouls in the video by kobe and carmelo should have been called flagrant.

That wasn't the point of my post or the one I referenced though. I agree that they should have been called flagrants.

[renmei]

I'm not getting involved with any race stuff and honestly I'm a little tired about the fouls video so..

Lin just posted to r/CharlotteHornets about his team mates.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/4ey6k1/playoffs_here_we_come/

Playoffs here we come ... (self.CharlotteHornets)

submitted 43 minutes ago by jeremylin07

Playoffs are right around the corner and a lot of people, including you guys, have noticed we have a really special team here. Having had a wide range of experiences playing basketball my whole life, I've always believed that basketball is the most fun when everyone buys in and plays for each other. That's what has helped our team this season and it has also made playing on the court really enjoyable. So this post is dedicated to my teammates.

For us, it all started on our preseason trip to China. We really bonded there and clicked as a group off the court and I think it has carried onto the court. So what I thought I would do is talk a little bit about each teammate.

Jorge Gutiérrez: He just joined the team, so I haven't been able to spend as much time with him, but Jorge is slowly getting more comfortable around the team. He played ball at Cal so we've talked about how awesome California is. He's also talked about how when he's done playing, he wants to spend time working with underprivileged children in Mexico...gotta respect that!!

Tyler Hansbrough: I call him T-Hans or Psycho T. I think he has the best one-liners of anyone on the team. When I first met him, I didn't know what to expect, but this dude works really, really hard and has the most hilarious and unexpected one-liners. He's also the one person on the team I'd never want to fight.

Al Jefferson: Funniest person on the team and candidate for funniest teammate I've ever had. When Al talks or laughs, everybody listens, partially because he's going to say something hilarious and partially because he talks hella loud. I sit right in front of him on the bus, so when he talks, I need to turn my music volume all the way up. Al is also the most generous person ever and has a great heart! Many people say they want to win, but Al genuinely just wants to win. He has sacrificed so much for our team and been all-in for the team.

Frank Kaminsky: Man...this rookie is so crazy. You never know what he's going to say or do. He's always keeping us on our toes and doing unexpected things (i.e. the dance-off in China). Tank (his nickname) is going to be a great player because he's just so skilled. He's also the team's designated Chipotle runner as well as Al's personal Jimmy John's courier. His locker is next to mine, so needless to say, I've lost quite a few brain cells having so many conversations with him in the locker room.

Aaron Harrison: We call him Twin. I'm not sure if Twin spoke the first 4 weeks of training camp, but since then he has started opening up. I also think he's going to be really good because he works hard, he pays attention and tries to constantly learn. We don't often scrimmage because of our game schedule, but recently Aaron has been playing well in scrimmages and picking up a ton of tricks just from watching certain guys during the games. I've been impressed by how much he has learned. Sometimes I make fun of Twin, but he just looks at me awkwardly and doesn't say anything, so I don't make fun of him that much anymore lol.

Troy Daniels: If Al wasn't on the team, this dude would be the funniest dude. Me and Troy go back to Houston when he made the game-winning shot in a playoff game right after getting called up from the D-League. Whenever Troy gets subbed into the game, he scores right away. It's unbelievable. The thing I'm most impressed with about Troy is his confidence in his own shot. He never ever gets down on himself or stops shooting, so I've learned a lot just by watching his mindset and how he approaches basketball. On behalf of the human population, we also would like to thank Troy for recently using Invisalign. We all know he needs it...

Nic Batum: Slick Nic. If Nic and Twin were put in the same room, it would be complete silence. Nic barely ever talked early on, but after he got comfortable, I started realizing how funny he is. Obviously on the court, he has enjoyed an unbelievable breakout year and he's so fun to play with because he can make plays in so many different ways. He is the most laid back person ever. Sometimes, he shows up to practice on a Segway lol. He's on the other side of me in the locker room, so when I'm sick of having childish conversations with Tank, I turn to the other side and have refined conversations with Nic.

Cody Zeller: This dude runs and jumps like a gazelle. It's crazy. He's also wildly popular in Indiana and very calm and stable. When Coach gets on Cody it's the funniest thing, because Cody has no expression, response or anything. He just sits there and we're all wondering what Cody is thinking. But then he just comes out and plays super hard. Cody loves sandwiches like me, so on the road, I always ask him where the best and nearest sandwich spots are.

Marvin Williams: We call him Marv. He will be tied with Jared Jeffries for the best teammate I have ever had. He's the most genuinely nice and polite person ever, seriously. He says "sir" a lot when talking to us, he always asks us about our families and takes care of everyone. He gives his per diem (which adds up to a lot of money) to Twin just out of generosity. In my opinion, Marv is the voice of our team and our glue guy. He also anchors our D.

Kemba Walker: Kemba is the most down-to-earth dude. I was really impressed when I first met him and he has totally handled his well-deserved success this season with such grace. When we're all hanging out, you would never know he is our star player. First off, he's like 6-12 inches shorter than everybody. Secondly, he always wears a backpack as big as him, so he looks like a middle schooler on the first day of school...it's hilarious! He plays with everything he has every night and has carried us on his back for many games.

Courtney Lee: CLee. I've known him since Houston, where we first originated our handshake. Courtney has been a huge, huge addition for us since MKG has been hurt. Courtney and I love talking trash and starting shooting competitions with each other, and he's always been a great guy on and off the court. I was excited when we got him after the trade deadline.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: Mike. I feel bad for him because he has had some bad luck with injuries, but this guy works incredibly hard and plays soooo hard. People would knock him for his jumper in the past, but if you knew anything about basketball, you would realize how good MKG really is defensively AND offensively. I love playing with this guy and we established a good on-court connection early on since he was always cutting for open layups. He's gonna come back strong and be an absolute beast.

Jeremy Lamb: We call him JLamb. He gets my vote for best dancer on the team. JLamb is really laid back and has that California personality even though he's not from there. He's so talented and will be a big time player. For the first part of the season, JLamb and I were playing really well off each other, and he has really helped take some pressure off of me and the second unit. He's also a bball junkie, so you might see him at the arena getting shots up late at night.

Spencer Hawes: Spence or the Needle are his nicknames. We often talk about how awesome the West Coast is and Spence is also a huge foodie, so we always talk about restaurants at the cities we go to. My favorite food is sushi so Spence has been someone I can talk to about sushi, since a lot of my teammates don't eat raw fish. We've enjoyed some nice meals on the road, and of course, he is my hair mentor.

Hopefully that helps you guys get to know us a little bit better as a team. I think we have a really special group and we are ready to give the playoffs our all. Thank you for rooting for us all year! #BuzzCity

[2k15]

"If you disagree, you're racist" is never much of a winning argument.

IMO this dude on the GB nailed it: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=46591707#p46591707

i dont agree. the fouls in the video by kobe and carmelo should have been called flagrant.

That wasn't the point of my post or the one I referenced though. I agree that they should have been called flagrants.

ah yea, i was just responding to to the post in the GB. the probabilities argument only flows one way. that he went 813 fouls without a flagrant despite clear video proof of repeated flagrant fouls is evidence that something is being missed when it comes to jeremy's play.

the probabilities argument doesnt flow the other way. that flagrant fouls are rare doesnt mean that (a) jeremy lin have not been flagrantly fouled this year (he has, repeatedly) and (b) that all players have an equal probability of getting flagrantly fouled (lin's playstyle actually makes it a lot more probable that he gets flagrantly fouled).

[Little General]

Look, this is not a matter of race in my opinion. It's the way Jeremy plays. He is a player that draws a lot of contact when he drives to the basket, so the chances that fouls are going to be missed will increase too. This also applies to other players that plays the same way as Jeremy. It's the duty of the referees to make the correct calls.

Honestly though, when I saw the game where Westley Johnson fouled Jeremy, causing a nosebleed, I didn't saw the foul until they replayed it on close up.

Though there is also a situational factor that comes to play. Like superstar calls. If a superstar player is in foul trouble, referees are sometimes hesitant to call fouls. Or when a team have a major lead, referees call less fouls for the team with the lead. At least that's my experience watching the games. In my opinion that was one of the (really small) factor, how we came back to win against Spurs while being down 23 in the first quarter.

[Appwrangler]

...A major reason I'm annoyed with the whole thing is I know that many Lin fans are not generally knowledgeable about the NBA and don't regularly watch other teams, so they really have very little knowledge as to whether Lin is fouled more or less often compared to other players...

That is not true, certainly not for this forum, and not even for the Lin specific forms. There are only a few with limited basketball knowledge and an obsession with Lin, and those people are almost never in this forum except when things get lively around an issue like this, an apparently unfair treatment of their favorite treat player.

Look, I get that it is hard being a mod in a form dealing with a large group of rabid, nomadic fans. But take a step back from the keyboard and cool down when you find yourself getting frustrated.

[2k15]

I'm not getting involved with any race stuff and honestly I'm a little tired about the fouls video so..

Lin just posted to r/CharlotteHornets about his team mates.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/4ey6k1/playoffs_here_we_come/

man, marv fits the southern gentleman stereotype to the t, what a stand-up dood

[yosemiteben]

I wasn't speaking as to posters on this forum. I do think Lin has a massive fanbase with many people who would not have more than a very, very casual interest in basketball if Lin was not in the league. That post has nothing to do with anything I have witnessed on this forum, if you take the time to post here in my book you already are in the top 1% of basketball fans IMO as far as interest.

[bws94]

Like hearing from Lin. Thanks for posting that, renmei.

[bws94]

yosemiteben, do players usually do a rundown of their teammates like Lin did? I think that could even go in a non-Lin thread because it's his perspective on how tight the team are.

[fatlever]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/theoden-janes/article72065122.html

Charlotte Hornets’ Jeremy Lin is a mystery to everyone but himself

[yosemiteben]

yosemiteben, do players usually do a rundown of their teammates like Lin did? I think that could even go in a non-Lin thread because it's his perspective on how tight the team are.

For sure, that post could go in any number of places. Maybe the season wrapup thread is best? Agree that it might get buried unnoticed here.

[fatlever]

yosemiteben, do players usually do a rundown of their teammates like Lin did? I think that could even go in a non-Lin thread because it's his perspective on how tight the team are.

For sure, that post could go in any number of places. Maybe the season wrapup thread is best? Agree that it might get buried unnoticed here.

Good idea. I reposted in the wrap up thread.

[Flip Murray]

I'm not getting involved with any race stuff and honestly I'm a little tired about the fouls video so..

Lin just posted to r/CharlotteHornets about his team mates.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharlotteHornets/comments/4ey6k1/playoffs_here_we_come/

man, marv fits the southern gentleman stereotype to the t, what a stand-up dood

which is funny because i'm pretty sure he's from the Seattle area

[Little General]

This gonna be my last post about this subject and then just ignore it and move on
[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBAOfficial/status/721064923380510720[/tweet]
They are saying that none of the fouls were flagrant fouls. Not even the Kobe's clothesline foul or Melo's uppercut. Well that's bull, but oh well. Time to move on.