Jeremy Lin: Too Flagrant Not to Call (update: ESPN and NYTimes)

[SmoothCriminal]

The refs had some respect from him during Linsanity and year after when he started. After he started to come off the bench, they treated him like some kinda Dalit. It could be a reflection of something larger.

[postcall]

1. Please show evidence of other players repeatedly over the course of 1 season. You keep making this argument. Yet use an example of something happening once.
2. If it does happen to a "number"(3? 20? 50? 100?) does that make it okay?

Not necessarily "okay", just commonplace. If someone argues that Lin gets treated differently, I'd say the onus is on them to show that other players ARE getting those calls. It's generally accepted that floppers will get more calls than non-floppers and that stars will get more calls than non-stars. Unfortunately for Lin, he happens to be a non-flopping non-star who drives aggressively into the paint. So you'd really have to demonstrate that Lin's non-calls vary significantly from a sufficiently large sample size of similar players.

The problem is Lin is treated like his own entity by some fans, so the same homerism you get for a team, you see for Lin.

1.The problem we are discussing is with NBA officiating with regards to a single player this season.
The difficulty is that we can't have a nuanced discussion about the officiating of a player without dealing with a few posters who continue to use lazy straw man arguments and insulting stereotypes of groups of people.

Yeah, sure. And it's just coincidence there's just a such a high level of interest about the officiating surrounding one specific, very average player? Ish Smith has the 3rd most drives in the entire NBA and yet his foul rate on those drives is somewhere in the bottom 5%, where's the outrage? Where are the Youtube compilations, where are the headlines on ESPN or the New York Times?

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15198725

This video espn put out probably addresses the first point and makes the case better than I can.
I believe that to be of significant statistic demonstrating deviation from not just the average player. The rest of your statement is straw man. TBH I dont really care to continue with this I doubt you do either lets just agree to disagree. TY for responding. Also can you link to Ish's page I want to see similar advance data on Okafor KP and Towns.

[brownbobcat]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15198725

This video espn put out probably addresses the first point and makes the case better than I can.
I believe that to be of significant statistic demonstrating deviation from not just the average player. The rest of your statement is straw man. TBH I dont really care to continue with this I doubt you do either lets just agree to disagree. TY for responding. Also can you link to Ish's page I want to see similar advance data on Okafor KP and Towns.

The video doesn't address it in any meaningful way, just very broad numbers.

First off, here is the data on drives and the 2nd link is the scraped data in a CSV, filtered to remove players with less than 1 drive/game and/or 0 FTA/drive. I then added two calculations of my own, foul rate on drive FGA and foul rate on all drives (FTA/Drive_FGA and FTA/Drive, respectively). There are some oddities in the data here with a couple of guys ending up over 100%, but they are isolated.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1
http://www.freeuploadsite.com/do.php?id=90506

262 players total. When it comes to Jeremy Lin, his FTA/Drive_FGA is 59% and FTA/Drive is 24%, which ranks him 53rd and 116th respectively, above average in both. OK, what if we weed out all the low-volume guys and only focus on the top 100 drivers? Lin comes out above average again, ranking 19th in FTA/Drive_FGA and 40th in FTA/Drive.

So this whole discussion about Lin not getting calls is stupid in the first place. He's known to get calls, both anecdotally and empirically. What he may not get are FLAGRANT foul calls, which are fairly uncommon to begin with and thus subject to a high degree of random distribution. There are 1,230 NBA games in a season, and 125 flagrant fouls called this year. That's 0.1 per game between BOTH teams, or roughly 4 per season called against Charlotte opponents. Jeremy Lin not getting any of those 4 calls this year, or even 12 calls over 3 seasons is NOT statistically significant. It's not a strawman argument when it's obvious that nobody could care less if about this if we were talking Ish Smith or Trey Burke.

[Laimbeer]

You could make a video like this of any guard that gets to the hole. On some, he's acting. Bah wah.

[Jody Smokz]

Actually most of them are white lmao

I'm gonna guess the video maker is Asian...

I'm gonna guess people behind Black Lives Matter are black...I could be wrong though

[HotRocks34]

NBA official response

http://official.nba.com/nba-response-new-york-times-story-jeremy-lin/

After reviewing our extensive officiating database, we have found no data that suggests Jeremy Lin is disadvantaged by our officiating staff.

...

Furthermore, given the infrequency of flagrant fouls (roughly 1 per every 500 foul calls), it is not statistically significant that none of Mr. Lin’s 814 fouls drawn were deemed flagrant.

[mtron929]

Well, there might be a racial element here although I do not have any proof of it. That is, it is possible that certain players do not like the idea of Asian player beating him off the dribble or having success on him and would want to foul Lin hard. Lin himself stated that he experienced a lot of racism amongst fellow players while he was playing ball pre-NBA so it seems certainly possible.

[Bankai]

Its kind of unfair to Jeremy Lin since he drives like a mad man all the time, but I dont think its racial. I think Refs are just being jerks.

[13th Man]

The fouls by Kobe, Melo and LMA were definitely flagrant, Harden's was borderline. The NBA can play dumb but the video doesn't lie. The important thing is that hopefully there is some awareness now so that he doesn't continue to be bullied.

[floppymoose]

I'm finally watching the first few minutes of the video and honestly a lot of these fouls aren't flagrant, or even close. Even the nosebleed wasn't "excessive contact" which is what the rules require.

This. I haven't been able to watch much of Lin since he left the Warriors. I do remember from his Warriors days that his willingness to take the ball into contact, and his lack of lobbying refs and lack of flailing when he was fouled, led him to get fewer calls. I never felt like I was seeing racial bias from the refs, but I did think I was seeing a 'respect' bias for a rookie, and also a play style bias.

[gts1]

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[TinmanZBoy]

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How Jared Dudley see it

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from an asian perspect

[postcall]

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=15198725

This video espn put out probably addresses the first point and makes the case better than I can.
I believe that to be of significant statistic demonstrating deviation from not just the average player. The rest of your statement is straw man. TBH I dont really care to continue with this I doubt you do either lets just agree to disagree. TY for responding. Also can you link to Ish's page I want to see similar advance data on Okafor KP and Towns.

The video doesn't address it in any meaningful way, just very broad numbers.

First off, here is the data on drives and the 2nd link is the scraped data in a CSV, filtered to remove players with less than 1 drive/game and/or 0 FTA/drive. I then added two calculations of my own, foul rate on drive FGA and foul rate on all drives (FTA/Drive_FGA and FTA/Drive, respectively). There are some oddities in the data here with a couple of guys ending up over 100%, but they are isolated.

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1
http://www.freeuploadsite.com/do.php?id=90506

262 players total. When it comes to Jeremy Lin, his FTA/Drive_FGA is 59% and FTA/Drive is 24%, which ranks him 53rd and 116th respectively, above average in both. OK, what if we weed out all the low-volume guys and only focus on the top 100 drivers? Lin comes out above average again, ranking 19th in FTA/Drive_FGA and 40th in FTA/Drive.

So this whole discussion about Lin not getting calls is stupid in the first place. He's known to get calls, both anecdotally and empirically. What he may not get are FLAGRANT foul calls, which are fairly uncommon to begin with and thus subject to a high degree of random distribution. There are 1,230 NBA games in a season, and 125 flagrant fouls called this year. That's 0.1 per game between BOTH teams, or roughly 4 per season called against Charlotte opponents. Jeremy Lin not getting any of those 4 calls this year, or even 12 calls over 3 seasons is NOT statistically significant. It's not a strawman argument when it's obvious that nobody could care less if about this if we were talking Ish Smith or Trey Burke.

Ty for the link.

[tamao]

the backlash continues,

From
nba where amazing happens to
NBA where racism happens

(one of the most popular english forum in asia)

[senel]

Yet Harden makes a living off the free throw line driving and flopping. Just one of the really unfair biased things about this league.

[MaxRider]

NBA official response

http://official.nba.com/nba-response-new-york-times-story-jeremy-lin/

After reviewing our extensive officiating database, we have found no data that suggests Jeremy Lin is disadvantaged by our officiating staff.

...

Furthermore, given the infrequency of flagrant fouls (roughly 1 per every 500 foul calls), it is not statistically significant that none of Mr. Lin’s 814 fouls drawn were deemed flagrant.

That means NBA do have a list.