2023 NBA Draft Thread
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on espn... bilas dodging the question on who the hornets should take at #2 or who he has 2nd on his board
eventually says he thinks hornets will take miller because of shooting
            
                                    
                                    
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fatlever wrote:i was trying to put together a list of who each draft sites, draft gurus had as their #2 player on a big board (not mock - unless they state their mock is what they would do, not what they think will happen). I got bored after 30 mins. Feel free to add to my list.
Scoot
Athletic/Sam Vecenie
NBADraft
CBSSports
SportingNews
Fran Fracilla
ClutchPoints
SBNation
Rod Boone![]()
B/R/Wasserman (his mock shows Miller, but he said he his pick would be Scoot)
NoCeilingsNBA/Max Baumbach
NoCeilingsNBA/Tyler Metcalf
UpsideSwings
John Hollinger
Nate Duncan
Miller
Ringer/KOC
DeanOnDraft
JJ Redick
Kevin Pelton
ESPN/Jon Givony
Not to mention Woj, Vecenie, Givony, Redick all reporting that NBA front office executives had Miller passing Scoot on their boards.
but yeah Clutch Points, Sporting News and Upside Swings all seem super credible and worth mentioning here....
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fatlever wrote:on espn... bilas dodging the question on who the hornets should take at #2 or who he has 2nd on his board
eventually says he thinks hornets will take miller because of shooting
Rod Boone already did an article a few days ago where Bilas said he would take Miller over Scoot if it was his call.
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Major coverage saying it will be Miller. The other picks per these outlets:
ESPN (Givony): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Leonard Miller, #34 Trayce Jackson-Davis, #39 Jalen Wilson, #31 Jordan Walsh
The Athletic (Sam Veceini): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Nick Smith Jr, #34 Brice Sensabaugh, #39 Julian Strawther, #41 GG Jackson
The Athletic (John Hollinger): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Brandin Podziemski (2nd round N/A)
Bleacher Report (Jonathan Wasserman): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Jordan Walsh, #34 Amari Bailey, #39 GG Jackson, #41 Seth Lundy
The Ringer (Kevin O'Conner): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Kris Murray, #34 Maxwell Lewis, #39 Marcus Sasser, #41 Rayan Rupert
            
                                    
                                    ESPN (Givony): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Leonard Miller, #34 Trayce Jackson-Davis, #39 Jalen Wilson, #31 Jordan Walsh
The Athletic (Sam Veceini): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Nick Smith Jr, #34 Brice Sensabaugh, #39 Julian Strawther, #41 GG Jackson
The Athletic (John Hollinger): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Brandin Podziemski (2nd round N/A)
Bleacher Report (Jonathan Wasserman): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Jordan Walsh, #34 Amari Bailey, #39 GG Jackson, #41 Seth Lundy
The Ringer (Kevin O'Conner): #2 Brandon Miller, #27 Kris Murray, #34 Maxwell Lewis, #39 Marcus Sasser, #41 Rayan Rupert
I continue to wait...and hope...for the return to Hornet's glory.
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fatlever wrote:on espn... bilas dodging the question on who the hornets should take at #2 or who he has 2nd on his board
eventually says he thinks hornets will take miller because of shooting
this time bilas says miller is his #2 overall. add bilas to the miller column.
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That's honestly wonderful, and refreshing to hear.UNCNYC wrote:MugzZo wrote:I've always wondered why. Not bashing I just want to understand your posts a bit more.UNCNYC wrote:I pick all the players before they are known and then when they get known I abandon them lol. I only promote players NOT EXPECTED to succeed for the most part...
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JMAC3 wrote:fatlever wrote:i was trying to put together a list of who each draft sites, draft gurus had as their #2 player on a big board (not mock - unless they state their mock is what they would do, not what they think will happen). I got bored after 30 mins. Feel free to add to my list.
Scoot
Athletic/Sam Vecenie
NBADraft
CBSSports
SportingNews
Fran Fracilla
ClutchPoints
SBNation
Rod Boone![]()
B/R/Wasserman (his mock shows Miller, but he said he his pick would be Scoot)
NoCeilingsNBA/Max Baumbach
NoCeilingsNBA/Tyler Metcalf
UpsideSwings
John Hollinger
Nate Duncan
Miller
Ringer/KOC
DeanOnDraft
JJ Redick
Kevin Pelton
ESPN/Jon Givony
Not to mention Woj, Vecenie, Givony, Redick all reporting that NBA front office executives had Miller passing Scoot on their boards.
but yeah Clutch Points, Sporting News and Upside Swings all seem super credible and worth mentioning here....
dude, i'm just collating what ive found on the net. feel free to post links or tweets to some more for me to add. i'll happily edit my post.
the list isnt what people are hearing or what they believe will happen. i'm looking for people who have gone on record with their opinion on who they believe is 2nd best player.
its not that complicated
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Jay Bilas just said Brandon Miller is the 2nd best player in this draft.
            
                                    
                                    
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JustBuzzin wrote:Jay Bilas just said Brandon Miller is the 2nd best player in this draft.
yup, i just added him to my list.
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Very much of the mind that I don't care at all what "people" say, both because I don't think anyone knows what we're doing and I don't think these "reports" validate anything real.
Also I just don't care, we'll find out tomorrow.
            
                                    
                                    
                        Also I just don't care, we'll find out tomorrow.
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fatlever wrote:i was trying to put together a list of who each draft sites, draft gurus had as their #2 player on a big board (not mock - unless they state their mock is what they would do, not what they think will happen). I got bored after 30 mins. Feel free to add to my list.
Scoot
Athletic/Sam Vecenie
NBADraft
CBSSports
SportingNews
Fran Fracilla
ClutchPoints
SBNation
Rod Boone![]()
B/R/Wasserman (his mock shows Miller, but he said he his pick would be Scoot)
NoCeilingsNBA/Max Baumbach
NoCeilingsNBA/Tyler Metcalf
UpsideSwings
John Hollinger
Nate Duncan
Miller
Ringer/KOC
DeanOnDraft
JJ Redick
Kevin Pelton
ESPN/Jon Givony
Jay Bilas
updated with bilas
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Can you post the mocks that actually matter. I haven't heard of most of those mocks.fatlever wrote:JMAC3 wrote:fatlever wrote:i was trying to put together a list of who each draft sites, draft gurus had as their #2 player on a big board (not mock - unless they state their mock is what they would do, not what they think will happen). I got bored after 30 mins. Feel free to add to my list.
Scoot
Athletic/Sam Vecenie
NBADraft
CBSSports
SportingNews
Fran Fracilla
ClutchPoints
SBNation
Rod Boone![]()
B/R/Wasserman (his mock shows Miller, but he said he his pick would be Scoot)
NoCeilingsNBA/Max Baumbach
NoCeilingsNBA/Tyler Metcalf
UpsideSwings
John Hollinger
Nate Duncan
Miller
Ringer/KOC
DeanOnDraft
JJ Redick
Kevin Pelton
ESPN/Jon Givony
Not to mention Woj, Vecenie, Givony, Redick all reporting that NBA front office executives had Miller passing Scoot on their boards.
but yeah Clutch Points, Sporting News and Upside Swings all seem super credible and worth mentioning here....
dude, i'm just collating what ive found on the net. feel free to post links or tweets to some more for me to add. i'll happily edit my post.
the list isnt what people are hearing or what they believe will happen. i'm looking for people who have gone on record with their opinion on who they believe is 2nd best player.
its not that complicated
Also Jay Bilas the draft expert was just on Sports Center and said Brandon Miller is the 2nd best player in the draft.
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fatlever wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:Jay Bilas just said Brandon Miller is the 2nd best player in this draft.
yup, i just added him to my list.
That list is laughable. You named a bunch of people I never heard of.
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JustBuzzin wrote:fatlever wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:Jay Bilas just said Brandon Miller is the 2nd best player in this draft.
yup, i just added him to my list.
That list is laughable. You named a bunch of people I never heard of.
Yeah, well, I heard Jessica is like totally a bitch
... it doesn't matter

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fatlever wrote:this time bilas says miller is his #2 overall. add bilas to the miller column.
If I remember correctly, Bilas always seemed to be biased in favor of NCAA athletes. Case in point, a lot of times on draft night he would say we were winners and always seemed to have positive reviews of who we ended up taking, and, well, we saw how poorly most of those NCAA stars worked out for us...
He seemed a lot like Dick Vitale in that regard.
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MugzZo wrote:That's honestly wonderful, and refreshing to hear.UNCNYC wrote:MugzZo wrote:I've always wondered why. Not bashing I just want to understand your posts a bit more.
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These are who I want with our picks in order
THEM - Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen
UNCNYC - Arthur Agee, William Gates
                        These are who I want with our picks in order
THEM - Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen
UNCNYC - Arthur Agee, William Gates
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Speaking of Dick, he has us taking Miller and Brandin Podziemski. 
Brandin is going to be stoned as hell. Or maybe he's a member of Korn (I swear I've made this joke before, it seems to familiar)

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37885596/dick-vitale-makes-2023-nba-draft-first-round-picks
            
                                    
                                    
                        Brandin is going to be stoned as hell. Or maybe he's a member of Korn (I swear I've made this joke before, it seems to familiar)

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37885596/dick-vitale-makes-2023-nba-draft-first-round-picks
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JustBuzzin wrote:fatlever wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:Jay Bilas just said Brandon Miller is the 2nd best player in this draft.
yup, i just added him to my list.
That list is laughable. You named a bunch of people I never heard of.
you've never heard of - nbadraft.net, the athletic/sam vecenie, john hollinger, nate duncan, jon wasserman, fran fraschilla etc...? those are some pretty big names in the draft community.
the point of all of it, the people who cover the draft for their jobs are pretty much split 50/50 on the best player available.
if either side says otherwise its just confirmation bias
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fatlever wrote:JustBuzzin wrote:fatlever wrote:yup, i just added him to my list.
That list is laughable. You named a bunch of people I never heard of.
you've never heard of - nbadraft.net, the athletic/sam vecenie, john hollinger, nate duncan, jon wasserman, fran fraschilla etc...? those are some pretty big names in the draft community.
the point of all of it, the people who cover the draft for their jobs are pretty much split 50/50 on the best player available.
if either side says otherwise its just confirmation bias
Im just going off what I see on tv bro. Woj is pretty much the best in the business, sure he is wrong every once in a while but most of the time I trust what he says.
Also if you believe in Vegas odds they had Miller as the favorite last I checked.
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JDR720 wrote:Speaking of Dick, he has us taking Miller and Brandin Podziemski.
Brandin is going to be stoned as hell. Or maybe he's a member of Korn (I swear I've made this joke before, it seems to familiar)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/37885596/dick-vitale-makes-2023-nba-draft-first-round-picks
I'm known for liking dudes based on cool hair
I don't want to draft that guy







