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Re: Around the NBA 4.0 

Post#1921 » by catch20two » Thu May 8, 2014 11:53 pm

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catch20two wrote:Looking at this Heat-Nets series, we got swept because our defense wasn't good enough. If it wasn't Jefferson getting exploited in the PnR or pick and pop then it was Hendo or Neal getting embarrassed by Wade. I don't know how a bunch of slow old men like the Nets are keeping the Heat down to 80-90 points but that's what we should've been able to do as a top 5 defense. We got exposed. They took advantage of our weaknesses offensively and defensively. I gotta give Spoelstra credit for that.


Its easy to keep any team down to 80 or 90 points when you slow the game down to a crawl and limit possessions.

We were shooting near the end of the shot clock almost every possession against them in our series. At least until the last game.
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Re: Around the NBA 4.0 

Post#1922 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu May 8, 2014 11:54 pm

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catch20two wrote:Looking at this Heat-Nets series, we got swept because our defense wasn't good enough. If it wasn't Jefferson getting exploited in the PnR or pick and pop then it was Hendo or Neal getting embarrassed by Wade. I don't know how a bunch of slow old men like the Nets are keeping the Heat down to 80-90 points but that's what we should've been able to do as a top 5 defense. We got exposed. They took advantage of our weaknesses offensively and defensively. I gotta give Spoelstra credit for that.


Its easy to keep any team down to 80 or 90 points when you slow the game down to a crawl and limit possessions.

We were shooting near the end of the shot clock almost every possession against them in our series. At least until the last game.


We were a deer in headlights, especially when our best player started hobbling around. Nets have a ton of experience, plus they play the Heat extremely well.
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Re: Around the NBA 4.0 

Post#1923 » by catch20two » Thu May 8, 2014 11:56 pm

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Its easy to keep any team down to 80 or 90 points when you slow the game down to a crawl and limit possessions.

We were shooting near the end of the shot clock almost every possession against them in our series. At least until the last game.


We were a deer in headlights, especially when our best player started hobbling around. Nets have a ton of experience, plus they play the Heat extremely well.

They play them extremely well because they can defend them which was my exact point in my first post.
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Re: Around the NBA 4.0 

Post#1924 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu May 8, 2014 11:58 pm

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catch20two wrote:We were shooting near the end of the shot clock almost every possession against them in our series. At least until the last game.


We were a deer in headlights, especially when our best player started hobbling around. Nets have a ton of experience, plus they play the Heat extremely well.

They play them extremely well because they can defend them which was my exact point in my first post.


And they slow the game down extremely well.
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Post#1925 » by JDR720 » Thu May 8, 2014 11:59 pm

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catch20two wrote:We were shooting near the end of the shot clock almost every possession against them in our series. At least until the last game.


We were a deer in headlights, especially when our best player started hobbling around. Nets have a ton of experience, plus they play the Heat extremely well.

They play them extremely well because they can defend them which was my exact point in my first post.

they match up well with them, they weren't even a top 10 defense in the regular season (11th)
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Post#1926 » by catch20two » Fri May 9, 2014 12:01 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:
We were a deer in headlights, especially when our best player started hobbling around. Nets have a ton of experience, plus they play the Heat extremely well.

They play them extremely well because they can defend them which was my exact point in my first post.

they match up well with them, they weren't even a top 10 defense in the regular season (11th)

Which also go back to my first post where I bigged up Spoelstra, they took advantage of our defensive weaknesses. The Nets have less defensive weak links than us because they have size at each position and bigs that can hedge on pick-and-rolls.
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Post#1927 » by catch20two » Fri May 9, 2014 1:18 am

Garnett is done. Lol
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Post#1928 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri May 9, 2014 1:20 am

catch20two wrote:Garnett is done. Lol


If Lopez can stay healthy I think they will be a lot better next year moving Plumlee over to the PF position next to Lopez
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Post#1929 » by catch20two » Fri May 9, 2014 1:21 am

Deron Williams don't have no fight. F*ck Brooklyn. Word to Ujiri.
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Post#1930 » by catch20two » Fri May 9, 2014 1:22 am

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catch20two wrote:Garnett is done. Lol


If Lopez can stay healthy I think they will be a lot better next year moving Plumlee over to the PF position next to Lopez

Maybe. All I know is Garnett ain't sh*t no more. Lol. He can't even finish at the rim no more.
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Post#1931 » by countryboi » Fri May 9, 2014 2:41 am

they should skip the playoffs for just one day so i can watch the draft in peace
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Post#1932 » by yosemiteben » Fri May 9, 2014 4:48 am

catch20two wrote:Looking at this Heat-Nets series, we got swept because our defense wasn't good enough. If it wasn't Jefferson getting exploited in the PnR or pick and pop then it was Hendo or Neal getting embarrassed by Wade. I don't know how a bunch of slow old men like the Nets are keeping the Heat down to 80-90 points but that's what we should've been able to do as a top 5 defense. We got exposed. They took advantage of our weaknesses offensively and defensively. I gotta give Spoelstra credit for that.

Good lord...Al Jefferson was hobbling around on one damn leg, what do you want from him?

If we're going to talk about why we got swept, the fact that our overwhelmingly most important player and the lynchpin to our entire offensive identity was barely functional is the most significant reason.
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Post#1933 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri May 9, 2014 8:43 am

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catch20two wrote:Looking at this Heat-Nets series, we got swept because our defense wasn't good enough. If it wasn't Jefferson getting exploited in the PnR or pick and pop then it was Hendo or Neal getting embarrassed by Wade. I don't know how a bunch of slow old men like the Nets are keeping the Heat down to 80-90 points but that's what we should've been able to do as a top 5 defense. We got exposed. They took advantage of our weaknesses offensively and defensively. I gotta give Spoelstra credit for that.

Good lord...Al Jefferson was hobbling around on one damn leg, what do you want from him?

If we're going to talk about why we got swept, the fact that our overwhelmingly most important player and the lynchpin to our entire offensive identity was barely functional is the most significant reason.


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Post#1934 » by ball teacher » Fri May 9, 2014 12:49 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:Their scrubs don't miss though. That angers me. Chalmers. Birdman. Battier. Motherfuk

Those scrubs know their role. It's easy not to miss when you have a limited and concentrated role of just spot shooting to focus on when the ball is swung to you wide open or in Birdman's case finish in the lane.


It bothers me - a testament to how sucky defense is in the NBA these days and how the refs prop up these cream puffs like Lebron.


Not to be a troll or anything (shout out to Fat :wink:) but most of these teams suck when it comes to x's and o's. Most of the teams so called defensive philosophy is to pack the paint and let players shoot wide open jump shots. Coaches get praised for that like it's some type of brilliant strategy. I was always taught to play tough man defense and to contest every jumper, it' just stupid to me how players get left wide open. This guys might as well just play zone.

On offense most teams just use a pick and let the PG freestyle some type of play which usually resorts to one pass and a shot. San Antonio is not following suit. They still use two big men (although they will occasionally use the highly coveted stretch 4 which every team damn near requires now), they still use real plays, they still play real defense. The quality of basketball isn't the same, the superstars aren't the same, the overall play is just deteriorating. PG's are mostly SG's now and they have little playmaking ability, little true ball handle skills, and floor generalship. Centers are a dying breed. Big men are taught to play like SF's, and SFs are used as big men, its just weird.

And I agree with Lamarmatic, these young players aren't properly taught the game in high school or college, they get drafted as projects and then teams don't even have the ability to properly groom them. Or when the players start to reach their potential, they rarely stay with the team that picks them, they take their talents to bigger market teams.
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Re: Around the NBA 4.0 

Post#1935 » by LamarMatic7 » Fri May 9, 2014 1:20 pm

catch20two wrote:Looking at this Heat-Nets series, we got swept because our defense wasn't good enough. If it wasn't Jefferson getting exploited in the PnR or pick and pop then it was Hendo or Neal getting embarrassed by Wade. I don't know how a bunch of slow old men like the Nets are keeping the Heat down to 80-90 points but that's what we should've been able to do as a top 5 defense. We got exposed. They took advantage of our weaknesses offensively and defensively. I gotta give Spoelstra credit for that.


catch20two wrote:They play them extremely well because they can defend them which was my exact point in my first post.


LiverPooty was correct. The Nets aren't holding the Heat to 80-90 points. The games just have been as slow as a late 90s Heat-Knicks slugfest. Yeah, the Heat exposed us. But you can't use the Nets as an example and criticize our team. They've been horrible:

Our DefRTG in 1st Round: 109.8
Our Pace in 1st Round: 92.52

BRK DefRTG in 2nd Round: 119.7
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Re: Around the NBA 4.0 

Post#1936 » by catch20two » Fri May 9, 2014 1:40 pm

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catch20two wrote:Looking at this Heat-Nets series, we got swept because our defense wasn't good enough. If it wasn't Jefferson getting exploited in the PnR or pick and pop then it was Hendo or Neal getting embarrassed by Wade. I don't know how a bunch of slow old men like the Nets are keeping the Heat down to 80-90 points but that's what we should've been able to do as a top 5 defense. We got exposed. They took advantage of our weaknesses offensively and defensively. I gotta give Spoelstra credit for that.

Good lord...Al Jefferson was hobbling around on one damn leg, what do you want from him?

If we're going to talk about why we got swept, the fact that our overwhelmingly most important player and the lynchpin to our entire offensive identity was barely functional is the most significant reason.

Aww come on, Jefferson on one leg hobbled or not is a liability in PnR defense. Ain't nobody blaming him individually. Just tryna observe what Brooklyn is doing better than us to compete but upon further review it look like the only thing they're doing better than us is having a better bench that don't blow the entire 2nd quarter.

The Nets are worst than us outside of their wings, Joe Johnson and Paul Pierce. Deron Williams and Kevin Garnett have been horrible to watch.
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Post#1937 » by yosemiteben » Fri May 9, 2014 2:04 pm

Just seems odd that an explanation of why we were swept didn't even mention the fact that Al was hurt. Of the top 5 reasons why we got swept, his being hurt is reason #1, 2 and 3.
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Post#1938 » by catch20two » Fri May 9, 2014 2:14 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Just seems odd that an explanation of why we were swept didn't even mention the fact that Al was hurt. Of the top 5 reasons why we got swept, his being hurt is reason #1, 2 and 3.

Since Al was our #1, 2, and 3 option on offense while Kemba and Hendo were 4 and 5 I must agree. You're awfully defensive of Jefferson. We all know that he was our best player by a wide margin this year but that don't leave his defense free of criticism the same way Kemba's inefficiency isn't and Hendo's disappearing acts.
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Post#1939 » by yosemiteben » Fri May 9, 2014 3:54 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:Just seems odd that an explanation of why we were swept didn't even mention the fact that Al was hurt. Of the top 5 reasons why we got swept, his being hurt is reason #1, 2 and 3.

Since Al was our #1, 2, and 3 option on offense while Kemba and Hendo were 4 and 5 I must agree. You're awfully defensive of Jefferson. We all know that he was our best player by a wide margin this year but that don't leave his defense free of criticism the same way Kemba's inefficiency isn't and Hendo's disappearing acts.

I'm just surprised by criticism leveled at an injured player. Any post that starts with "the reason we were swept" and doesn't mention Al's injury is missing the point.
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Post#1940 » by catch20two » Fri May 9, 2014 4:03 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:Just seems odd that an explanation of why we were swept didn't even mention the fact that Al was hurt. Of the top 5 reasons why we got swept, his being hurt is reason #1, 2 and 3.

Since Al was our #1, 2, and 3 option on offense while Kemba and Hendo were 4 and 5 I must agree. You're awfully defensive of Jefferson. We all know that he was our best player by a wide margin this year but that don't leave his defense free of criticism the same way Kemba's inefficiency isn't and Hendo's disappearing acts.

I'm just surprised by criticism leveled at an injured player. Any post that starts with "the reason we were swept" and doesn't mention Al's injury is missing the point.

No criticism leveled at Jefferson. If anything Jefferson has earned even more of my respect by playing admirably through such a painful injury that most players would've wussed out from. Jefferson is one of my guys on this team and I like him a lot. If there's any leveled criticism it would be towards Clifford but I can't even blame him but so much outside of playing CDR too little of minutes when Hendo was struggling. The Heat were just too too much for us once Jefferson got injured who was our only chance of making it a series like you said.

Reasons we got swept:
#1. Miami had the best players on the floor
#2. Jefferson's injury
#3. Hendo was a friendly ghost
#4. Our bench
#5. Spoelstra gameplanned us well
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