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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#241 » by gamer4Life » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:26 am

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gamer4Life wrote:It will be tough to get Lance Stephenson to sign for the Hornets. Almost every team is vying for him.


So many teams that only the Pacers have an offer on the table.


Well perhaps not teams, but fans from other teams.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#242 » by Elden Payton » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:30 am

gamer4Life wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
gamer4Life wrote:It will be tough to get Lance Stephenson to sign for the Hornets. Almost every team is vying for him.


So many teams that only the Pacers have an offer on the table.


Well perhaps not teams, but fans from other teams.


Well they should offer him millions then.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#243 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:30 am

gamer4Life wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
gamer4Life wrote:It will be tough to get Lance Stephenson to sign for the Hornets. Almost every team is vying for him.


So many teams that only the Pacers have an offer on the table.


Well perhaps not teams, but fans from other teams.


Alot of fans want Stephenson, but there are only so many front offices ready to give 10 digits to someone that is mentally unstable.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#244 » by -Ian- » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:33 pm

Rich Cho's been getting a lot of praise on Twitter for the Stephenson signing.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#245 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:36 pm

Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.


Cho very nearly struck out this offseason and I mean completely struck out.

His Plan B was on the verge of signing with Dallas. All Houston had to do was match on Parsons and there was a strong chance of that.

I'm happy about the signing but the inability to orchestrate a trade of Henderson and the fragile contingency plan to sign Lance when he was on the verge of signing somewhere else, inexcusable.
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Post#246 » by mrknowitall215 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:48 pm

-Ian- wrote:Rich Cho's been getting a lot of praise on Twitter for the Stephenson signing.


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Post#247 » by yosemiteben » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:48 pm

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Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.


Cho very nearly struck out this offseason and I mean completely struck out.

His Plan B was on the verge of signing with Dallas. All Houston had to do was match on Parsons and there was a strong chance of that.

I'm happy about the signing but the inability to orchestrate a trade of Henderson and the fragile contingency plan to sign Lance when he was on the verge of signing somewhere else, inexcusable.

Yeah we should probably still try to get him fired.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#248 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:51 pm

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Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.


Cho very nearly struck out this offseason and I mean completely struck out.

His Plan B was on the verge of signing with Dallas. All Houston had to do was match on Parsons and there was a strong chance of that.

I'm happy about the signing but the inability to orchestrate a trade of Henderson and the fragile contingency plan to sign Lance when he was on the verge of signing somewhere else, inexcusable.

Yeah we should probably still try to get him fired.


He crapped 4-leaf clovers all offseason. How would he look had Detroit kept their position in the lottery draw and had Houston not gambled on Melo or Bosh, 2 long shots by letting Parsons out of his under-1 mil contract then not matching an offer from Dallas?
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Post#249 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:52 pm

Overall a very good off season Mr Cho.
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Post#250 » by yosemiteben » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:52 pm

Exactly, why should he get the credit for our improved roster. Start a fire Cho campaign, I bet you'll get a lot of traction.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#251 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:56 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Exactly, why should he get the credit for our improved roster. Start a fire Cho campaign, I bet you'll get a lot of traction.


Was bashed before the Stephenson signing, now hes getting bashed after it.

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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#252 » by gamer4Life » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:56 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:
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Cho very nearly struck out this offseason and I mean completely struck out.

His Plan B was on the verge of signing with Dallas. All Houston had to do was match on Parsons and there was a strong chance of that.

I'm happy about the signing but the inability to orchestrate a trade of Henderson and the fragile contingency plan to sign Lance when he was on the verge of signing somewhere else, inexcusable.

Yeah we should probably still try to get him fired.


He crapped 4-leaf clovers all offseason. How would he look had Detroit kept their position in the lottery draw and had Houston not gambled on Melo or Bosh, 2 long shots by letting Parsons out of his under-1 mil contract then not matching an offer from Dallas?


So blast him if he's unlucky, and give no credit when he's "lucky". Seems you have an irrational hate for the man.

I'm honestly surprised he was able to sign Stevenson to a decent deal in the face of competition from better teams and teams in better markets.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#253 » by LofJ » Wed Jul 16, 2014 2:59 pm

Getting lucky is a great thing, but most of the time you have to be in the right position to have the chance to get lucky and our front office did that. That deserves at least a little praise if you ask me.
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Post#254 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:02 pm

gamer4Life wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Yeah we should probably still try to get him fired.


He crapped 4-leaf clovers all offseason. How would he look had Detroit kept their position in the lottery draw and had Houston not gambled on Melo or Bosh, 2 long shots by letting Parsons out of his under-1 mil contract then not matching an offer from Dallas?


So blast him if he's unlucky, and give no credit when he's "lucky". Seems you have an irrational hate for the man.

I'm honestly surprised he was able to sign Stevenson to a decent deal in the face of competition from better teams and teams in better markets.


I'm blasting him because none of this was by design. What were the Cavs chances of bumping the Pistons down to 9? What were the chances Vonleh would fall from top 5 to 9? What were the chances Houston would let go of Parsons in favor of Ariza? Cho deserves none of this credit, at all. He failed to pull of a trade of henderson _ 24 for Afflalo, he failed to trade Henderson. He had a year to prepare for this offseason and needed an inordinate amount of luck to not completely strike out. What was the plan if Lance signed in Dallas? With Hayward and Parsons off the table and Jordan recently stating how they planned to bring in another 'superstar' or big name player? I'd really like to know what it was.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#255 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:07 pm

Stephenson had been in the process of finalizing a possible deal with the Mavericks before the Houston Rockets decided to allow Chandler Parsons to follow through on his offer sheet in Dallas, sources told RealGM.


How can you not find that troubling? Excuse me if I don't want to dowse Cho in purple and teal confetti.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#256 » by Dancingpanda » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:11 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
gamer4Life wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
He crapped 4-leaf clovers all offseason. How would he look had Detroit kept their position in the lottery draw and had Houston not gambled on Melo or Bosh, 2 long shots by letting Parsons out of his under-1 mil contract then not matching an offer from Dallas?


So blast him if he's unlucky, and give no credit when he's "lucky". Seems you have an irrational hate for the man.

I'm honestly surprised he was able to sign Stevenson to a decent deal in the face of competition from better teams and teams in better markets.


I'm blasting him because none of this was by design. What were the Cavs chances of bumping the Pistons down to 9? What were the chances Vonleh would fall from top 5 to 9? What were the chances Houston would let go of Parsons in favor of Ariza? Cho deserves none of this credit, at all. He failed to pull of a trade of henderson _ 24 for Afflalo, he failed to trade Henderson. He had a year to prepare for this offseason and needed an inordinate amount of luck to not completely strike out. What was the plan if Lance signed in Dallas? With Hayward and Parsons off the table and Jordan recently stating how they planned to bring in another 'superstar' or big name player? I'd really like to know what it was.


unless...this was his plan all along 8-)
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#257 » by gamer4Life » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:12 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:
gamer4Life wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
He crapped 4-leaf clovers all offseason. How would he look had Detroit kept their position in the lottery draw and had Houston not gambled on Melo or Bosh, 2 long shots by letting Parsons out of his under-1 mil contract then not matching an offer from Dallas?


So blast him if he's unlucky, and give no credit when he's "lucky". Seems you have an irrational hate for the man.

I'm honestly surprised he was able to sign Stevenson to a decent deal in the face of competition from better teams and teams in better markets.


I'm blasting him because none of this was by design. What were the Cavs chances of bumping the Pistons down to 9? What were the chances Vonleh would fall from top 5 to 9? What were the chances Houston would let go of Parsons in favor of Ariza? Cho deserves none of this credit, at all. He failed to pull of a trade of henderson _ 24 for Afflalo, he failed to trade Henderson. He had a year to prepare for this offseason and needed an inordinate amount of luck to not completely strike out. What was the plan if Lance signed in Dallas? With Hayward and Parsons off the table and Jordan recently stating how they planned to bring in another 'superstar' or big name player? I'd really like to know what it was.


Every year, there's a player that falls through the draft. #9 is a very nice spot to pick up that player. Give Cho credit for choosing the BPA.

If Houston kept Parsons, you could argue that Ariza doesn't want to sign to become 2nd fiddle, and signs with Dallas.

Sometimes luck is actually making the most of your opportunities - because you will get opportunities in life, you just need to be ready to capitalize on them.

Cho was unlucky with tanking during bad draft years and not having the lottery balls go his way. He seems to have done a decent job with a plan B, although I would have liked to see the Bobcats tank last year.

Anyways, your entitled to your opinion, just be consistent. If you're going to not give credit to Cho for "luck", then you need to not bash him for "unlucky" moments as well.
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#258 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:15 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:
gamer4Life wrote:
So blast him if he's unlucky, and give no credit when he's "lucky". Seems you have an irrational hate for the man.

I'm honestly surprised he was able to sign Stevenson to a decent deal in the face of competition from better teams and teams in better markets.


I'm blasting him because none of this was by design. What were the Cavs chances of bumping the Pistons down to 9? What were the chances Vonleh would fall from top 5 to 9? What were the chances Houston would let go of Parsons in favor of Ariza? Cho deserves none of this credit, at all. He failed to pull of a trade of henderson _ 24 for Afflalo, he failed to trade Henderson. He had a year to prepare for this offseason and needed an inordinate amount of luck to not completely strike out. What was the plan if Lance signed in Dallas? With Hayward and Parsons off the table and Jordan recently stating how they planned to bring in another 'superstar' or big name player? I'd really like to know what it was.


unless...this was his plan all along 8-)
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Well thank God so many things came together for us in such short time, but I don't feel entirely comfortable with Cho as a GM. He's fundamentally sound and brought this team to respectability. I just feel we need something more to get us to the next level. I will be looking to see if he can move Gerald Henderson and how he handles the PF position. I'm also curious to see how he intends to add more shooting/spacing.
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Post#259 » by Dancingpanda » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:17 pm

I say give Cho credit. Every move hes made has worked out for the better, turning this team from worst in the league to a playoff team (in the east) in a matter of 2/3 years. Not all of his moves have been popular but they have worked. Trust in the Cho
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Re: Choseph Smith - the Rich Cho Thread 

Post#260 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Jul 16, 2014 3:21 pm

gamer4Life wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
gamer4Life wrote:
So blast him if he's unlucky, and give no credit when he's "lucky". Seems you have an irrational hate for the man.

I'm honestly surprised he was able to sign Stevenson to a decent deal in the face of competition from better teams and teams in better markets.


I'm blasting him because none of this was by design. What were the Cavs chances of bumping the Pistons down to 9? What were the chances Vonleh would fall from top 5 to 9? What were the chances Houston would let go of Parsons in favor of Ariza? Cho deserves none of this credit, at all. He failed to pull of a trade of henderson _ 24 for Afflalo, he failed to trade Henderson. He had a year to prepare for this offseason and needed an inordinate amount of luck to not completely strike out. What was the plan if Lance signed in Dallas? With Hayward and Parsons off the table and Jordan recently stating how they planned to bring in another 'superstar' or big name player? I'd really like to know what it was.


Every year, there's a player that falls through the draft. #9 is a very nice spot to pick up that player. Give Cho credit for choosing the BPA.

If Houston kept Parsons, you could argue that Ariza doesn't want to sign to become 2nd fiddle, and signs with Dallas.

Sometimes luck is actually making the most of your opportunities - because you will get opportunities in life, you just need to be ready to capitalize on them.

Cho was unlucky with tanking during bad draft years and not having the lottery balls go his way. He seems to have done a decent job with a plan B, although I would have liked to see the Bobcats tank last year.

Anyways, your entitled to your opinion, just be consistent. If you're going to not give credit to Cho for "luck", then you need to not bash him for "unlucky" moments as well.


He was unlucky to not get Anthony Davis, but MKG over Beal could go south on him quickly. I don't fault him for not reaching for Drummond there or passing on Lillard with Kemba on the roster. Cody Zeller over McLemore and Noel is still an open question. Vonleh over McDermott could become questionable in the coming years.

Maybe all GM's need a good bit of luck tho so I understand what you're saying.

I just think we needed a home run and we got a batter who struck out on a wild pitch, advanced to first then on a wild throw went to second, followed by a bobble by the right fielder at which point he scrambled into 3rd base and got called safe on a blown call by the ump who was caught staring up into the stands at a streaking topless brazilian bikini model.

And when he scores on a passed ball, his teammates high five him for his tough approach, his ability to capitalize on all these errors that were overdue for him because he had been so unlucky in previous at bats lining out directly to defenders.
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