Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

[BeesWax]

MKG has more trade value than Waiters? MKG doesn't know how to shoot a basketball. Cavs would reject that offer big time.

Well then they are dumb. Oh wait we have know that since the draft last year. If they don't like it you know MKG is better.

"dumb". There's that word again.

No GM would part with Waiters for MKG. So they are all dumb and you are smart. OK

Directed at Cleveland. You are wrong but your odd hatred of MKG is noted. Poor trade and bad value and I will leave it at that.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Plus there's the whole MKG being Kyrie's teammate in high school thing...

Waiters can score, MKG can defend, they're both half a player at this point but I think most would prefer MKG's upside.

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[MasterIchiro]

This past year we were able to make the playoffs AND get a top 10 pick though. We are now able to draft talent, develop current talent, and still have a playoff team. Best of both worlds. This past season went absolutely perfect in my eyes. Other than getting Miami in the first round I wouldn't change a thing.

I agree. We're in a position to add a third star with pick 9 and sign Al's replacement with our cap space at some point in the future, not necessarily now. My point is we can keep the winning going and stay young. I honestly don't mind if they set a 2-year timetable to further develop MKG, Zeller, Biz and pick 9.

They're going to have to set that 2 year time table for MKG, Zeller, and Biyombo. I wouldn't be surprised if whomever we pick at 9 contributes as much or more than them in year 1 as they do next season.

I agree with that which is why I'm ok with free agents like Deng for 2 years and trades for Afflalo for 2 years. I would not be upset if they brought in both for 2 years and developed MKG, Zeller, Biyombo and pick 9 while winning with experienced proven players.

[Liver_Pooty]

Biz has his critics too like Bassman and you. Kemba has his detractors too. McBob doesn't need to be replaced but our team could be a lot better if we upgraded his position and made him a good backup like he should be, and the same for Hendo.

Im a critic of Biyombo, but Im also a big time fan. I praise him at times, but down him at times as well. Hes working his ass off right now to get better, but Im not sure he is going to be the player we all thought he would be when he was drafted.

That depends on what you thought he could be. I had hope that he could be a elite shot blocker and rim protector and he's became that. Of course I want for him to get more fundamentally sound from this point with simple stuff like catching the ball and finishing in traffic without turning the ball over but he's still relatively raw and young. He'll put it fully together in years to come but he's almost near a impact player as a defender. I have to go back to when Biz was drafted thread to see your expectations of him. Lol

When he was drafted I thought he was going to be an absolute beast. He still might be. Then he had his game against Howard where he had like 10/10 with 7 blocks and dominated him his rookie year and I was all in. Since then he has shown flashes.

Also his game winning block against the now Pelicans his rookie year was astounding. I have not given up on him at all, and I will not put him down for the sake of it like some posters do certain players, but he needs to turn it up this year.

[Liver_Pooty]

I agree. We're in a position to add a third star with pick 9 and sign Al's replacement with our cap space at some point in the future, not necessarily now. My point is we can keep the winning going and stay young. I honestly don't mind if they set a 2-year timetable to further develop MKG, Zeller, Biz and pick 9.

They're going to have to set that 2 year time table for MKG, Zeller, and Biyombo. I wouldn't be surprised if whomever we pick at 9 contributes as much or more than them in year 1 as they do next season.

I agree with that which is why I'm ok with free agents like Deng for 2 years and trades for Afflalo for 2 years. I would not be upset if they brought in both for 2 years and developed MKG, Zeller, Biyombo and pick 9 while winning with experienced proven players.

This will be Dengs last long term deal. He isn't signing anywhere for 2 years. Im betting Dallas signs him. Afflalo I can get behind.

[BeesWax]

"dumb". There's that word again.

No GM would part with Waiters for MKG. So they are all dumb and you are smart. OK

Have to disagree with you on that one Ichiro. Cavs want to keep Irving, or at least I would think they would. Him and Waiters get along like a Cat and a Dog do, add onto that their glaring hole at SF I think we could get more than just Waiters out of a potential player for player swap. We would be doing them a huge service.

Well there's talent and there's chemistry. So far I'd say all GM's and I mean every one on every team would rate Waiters as more talented/productive.

Man I wish there is a way to prove this. I would bet there are more GMs who value a hard working, positive locker room guy, and great defensive player over a guy who puts up middling SG number while playing little defense and arguing with the teams star.

[Bassman]

Is there a player on this team that we can collectively as a whole say that no one likes? Ichiro wants to murder MKG, everyone but a select few hates Zeller, BD thinks that Jefferson is satan, Henderson is disliked by almost everyone because he can't hit a 3, McRoberts needs to be replaced by some, Ridnour is terrible, lost the Neal trade apparently so he sucks.

Oh yes, Biyombo. The man who can't catch a basketball. Love him to pieces though. He will get it eventually.

Biz has his critics too like Bassman and you. Kemba has his detractors too. McBob doesn't need to be replaced but our team could be a lot better if we upgraded his position and made him a good backup like he should be, and the same for Hendo.

Man, Liver knows me too well ;'). Biz is a guy we're all pulling for, but his skill set is only gonna improve a smidgen more. Cho wanted him to be his Ibaka, but he will never come close. I do think he can be a bench reserve but no more. People think he wood actually be better than Al??? PLEASE. I would include him in a number of deals, but his league value is too low.

[MasterIchiro]

Im a critic of Biyombo, but Im also a big time fan. I praise him at times, but down him at times as well. Hes working his ass off right now to get better, but Im not sure he is going to be the player we all thought he would be when he was drafted.

That depends on what you thought he could be. I had hope that he could be a elite shot blocker and rim protector and he's became that. Of course I want for him to get more fundamentally sound from this point with simple stuff like catching the ball and finishing in traffic without turning the ball over but he's still relatively raw and young. He'll put it fully together in years to come but he's almost near a impact player as a defender. I have to go back to when Biz was drafted thread to see your expectations of him. Lol

When he was drafted I thought he was going to be an absolute beast. He still might be. Then he had his game against Howard where he had like 10/10 with 7 blocks and dominated him his rookie year and I was all in. Since then he has shown flashes.

Also his game winning block against the now Pelicans his rookie year was astounding. I have not given up on him at all, and I will not put him down for the sake of it like some posters do certain players, but he needs to turn it up this year.

My patience doesn't span years unless I see a weakness improve with my own eyes.

Zeller - got more aggressive, made more jumpshots when left wide open
Biz - less turnover prone, added a couple moves to his arsenal on offense

These guys have shown me glimpses.

Kemba has flaws to - he improved his 3pt shooting. He's becoming a better distributor. Improvement.

MKG?

His jump shot has gotten WORSE and he drove me crazy with it from day 1 as pick #2 overall. I've waited and waited 2 years for some sign it will improve. But it has gotten WORSE.

You seem to have more patience than me when it comes to MKG.

Next year is year 3 for him.

Your last? One more?

[MasterIchiro]

I strongly feel every player who steps on an NBA court, with the exception of a rebounding shotblocking force at center, should be able to hit a wide open jump shot.

Look at the Heat.

Every scrub on that floor can drill it when left wide open.

They never play 4-on-5.

I have a problem with it.

[BeesWax]

That depends on what you thought he could be. I had hope that he could be a elite shot blocker and rim protector and he's became that. Of course I want for him to get more fundamentally sound from this point with simple stuff like catching the ball and finishing in traffic without turning the ball over but he's still relatively raw and young. He'll put it fully together in years to come but he's almost near a impact player as a defender. I have to go back to when Biz was drafted thread to see your expectations of him. Lol

When he was drafted I thought he was going to be an absolute beast. He still might be. Then he had his game against Howard where he had like 10/10 with 7 blocks and dominated him his rookie year and I was all in. Since then he has shown flashes.

Also his game winning block against the now Pelicans his rookie year was astounding. I have not given up on him at all, and I will not put him down for the sake of it like some posters do certain players, but he needs to turn it up this year.

My patience doesn't span years unless I see a weakness improve with my own eyes.

Zeller - got more aggressive, made more jumpshots when left wide open
Biz - less turnover prone, added a couple moves to his arsenal on offense

These guys have shown me glimpses.

Kemba has flaws to - he improved his 3pt shooting. He's becoming a better distributor. Improvement.

MKG?

His jump shot has gotten WORSE and he drove me crazy with it from day 1 as pick #2 overall. I've waited and waited 2 years for some sign it will improve. But it has gotten WORSE.

You seem to have more patience than me when it comes to MKG.

Next year is year 3 for him.

Your last? One more?

Zeller did not improve a weakness he just abandond learning any new skills. He reverted back to a hustle big with no shot. He will not succeed at his length that way as a starter. Once he learns to shoot he will have improved a weakness. I always knew he tried hard he just can't shoot and never got better he just stopped trying.

[BeesWax]

I strongly feel every player who steps on an NBA court, with the exception of a rebounding shotblocking force at center, should be able to hit a wide open jump shot.

Look at the Heat.

Every scrub on that floor can drill it when left wide open.

They never play 4-on-5.

I have a problem with it.

Ok then we need to cut MKG and Zeller because neither can shoot.

[ARHornet]

I don't get why it is so bad to have guys who can't shoot, but having guys who can't play defense isn't an issue.

[MasterIchiro]

I strongly feel every player who steps on an NBA court, with the exception of a rebounding shotblocking force at center, should be able to hit a wide open jump shot.

Look at the Heat.

Every scrub on that floor can drill it when left wide open.

They never play 4-on-5.

I have a problem with it.

Ok then we need to cut MKG and Zeller because neither can shoot.

Zeller most definitely improved his shot this year and made more wide open jumpshots as the year progressed. He started to hit more as his confidence rose and he was able to relax more out there. In the beginning of the year he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off. You could tell the game slowed down for him after he adjusted and his shooting was not as rushed. He was more controlled. And we've already discussed his bottom line improved being 15/9 per 36. I don't care how he got there, he improved his production.

[Liver_Pooty]

That depends on what you thought he could be. I had hope that he could be a elite shot blocker and rim protector and he's became that. Of course I want for him to get more fundamentally sound from this point with simple stuff like catching the ball and finishing in traffic without turning the ball over but he's still relatively raw and young. He'll put it fully together in years to come but he's almost near a impact player as a defender. I have to go back to when Biz was drafted thread to see your expectations of him. Lol

When he was drafted I thought he was going to be an absolute beast. He still might be. Then he had his game against Howard where he had like 10/10 with 7 blocks and dominated him his rookie year and I was all in. Since then he has shown flashes.

Also his game winning block against the now Pelicans his rookie year was astounding. I have not given up on him at all, and I will not put him down for the sake of it like some posters do certain players, but he needs to turn it up this year.

My patience doesn't span years unless I see a weakness improve with my own eyes.

Zeller - got more aggressive, made more jumpshots when left wide open
Biz - less turnover prone, added a couple moves to his arsenal on offense

These guys have shown me glimpses.

Kemba has flaws to - he improved his 3pt shooting. He's becoming a better distributor. Improvement.

MKG?

His jump shot has gotten WORSE and he drove me crazy with it from day 1 as pick #2 overall. I've waited and waited 2 years for some sign it will improve. But it has gotten WORSE.

You seem to have more patience than me when it comes to MKG.

Next year is year 3 for him.

Your last? One more?

MKG has to totally rebuild his shot. That could take 3 years. In the mean time I don't think its fair to give up on him yet. Give Price some time to do his job. Biyombo 2 more years. He still has to learn a lot not only about catching a basketball in traffic, or catching it period, but on the offensive end.

Both said players have athletic tools and awareness on the defensive end that cannot be ignored though.

[MasterIchiro]

I don't get why it is so bad to have guys who can't shoot, but having guys who can't play defense isn't an issue.

Well watching these playoff games towards the end here and all I see are teams and players who can pretty much waltz down the court and score whenever they want to regardless of who is guarding them. Offenses have spread the floor in response to defenses clamping down and defense specialist individuals being assigned to guard star players. The Heat adapted and can easily win even when Lebron faces an elite defender.

Team defense is more important than individual defense.

[catch20two]

When he was drafted I thought he was going to be an absolute beast. He still might be. Then he had his game against Howard where he had like 10/10 with 7 blocks and dominated him his rookie year and I was all in. Since then he has shown flashes.

Also his game winning block against the now Pelicans his rookie year was astounding. I have not given up on him at all, and I will not put him down for the sake of it like some posters do certain players, but he needs to turn it up this year.

My patience doesn't span years unless I see a weakness improve with my own eyes.

Zeller - got more aggressive, made more jumpshots when left wide open
Biz - less turnover prone, added a couple moves to his arsenal on offense

These guys have shown me glimpses.

Kemba has flaws to - he improved his 3pt shooting. He's becoming a better distributor. Improvement.

MKG?

His jump shot has gotten WORSE and he drove me crazy with it from day 1 as pick #2 overall. I've waited and waited 2 years for some sign it will improve. But it has gotten WORSE.

You seem to have more patience than me when it comes to MKG.

Next year is year 3 for him.

Your last? One more?

Zeller did not improve a weakness he just abandond learning any new skills. He reverted back to a hustle big with no shot. He will not succeed at his length that way as a starter. Once he learns to shoot he will have improved a weakness. I always knew he tried hard he just can't shoot and never got better he just stopped trying.

Thank you. I don't know why everybody keep tryna act like Zeller did something special after all star break. He just stopped shooting jump shots and thank God because they were the equivalent of 3 turnovers a game and we finally started winning consistently because he stopped tryna be something that he's not. However the only way he'll ever become a legit starter is if he learn that jump shot and add some range to it. It's back to square one for him again this summer.

[MasterIchiro]

When he was drafted I thought he was going to be an absolute beast. He still might be. Then he had his game against Howard where he had like 10/10 with 7 blocks and dominated him his rookie year and I was all in. Since then he has shown flashes.

Also his game winning block against the now Pelicans his rookie year was astounding. I have not given up on him at all, and I will not put him down for the sake of it like some posters do certain players, but he needs to turn it up this year.

My patience doesn't span years unless I see a weakness improve with my own eyes.

Zeller - got more aggressive, made more jumpshots when left wide open
Biz - less turnover prone, added a couple moves to his arsenal on offense

These guys have shown me glimpses.

Kemba has flaws to - he improved his 3pt shooting. He's becoming a better distributor. Improvement.

MKG?

His jump shot has gotten WORSE and he drove me crazy with it from day 1 as pick #2 overall. I've waited and waited 2 years for some sign it will improve. But it has gotten WORSE.

You seem to have more patience than me when it comes to MKG.

Next year is year 3 for him.

Your last? One more?

MKG has to totally rebuild his shot. That could take 3 years. In the mean time I don't think its fair to give up on him yet. Give Price some time to do his job. Biyombo 2 more years. He still has to learn a lot not only about catching a basketball in traffic, or catching it period, but on the offensive end.

Both said players have athletic tools and awareness on the defensive end that cannot be ignored though.

So you're on my team after this year? I will hold you to it.

[catch20two]

Team defense is more important than individual defense.

We have no team defense without MKG. You don't remember when our team defense totally collapsed and we fell way below .500 when he got injured for a month and a half?

[Liver_Pooty]

My patience doesn't span years unless I see a weakness improve with my own eyes.

Zeller - got more aggressive, made more jumpshots when left wide open
Biz - less turnover prone, added a couple moves to his arsenal on offense

These guys have shown me glimpses.

Kemba has flaws to - he improved his 3pt shooting. He's becoming a better distributor. Improvement.

MKG?

His jump shot has gotten WORSE and he drove me crazy with it from day 1 as pick #2 overall. I've waited and waited 2 years for some sign it will improve. But it has gotten WORSE.

You seem to have more patience than me when it comes to MKG.

Next year is year 3 for him.

Your last? One more?

MKG has to totally rebuild his shot. That could take 3 years. In the mean time I don't think its fair to give up on him yet. Give Price some time to do his job. Biyombo 2 more years. He still has to learn a lot not only about catching a basketball in traffic, or catching it period, but on the offensive end.

Both said players have athletic tools and awareness on the defensive end that cannot be ignored though.

So you're on my team after this year? I will hold you to it.

If after this year MKG hasn't improved his shooting form in game, and Biyombo hasn't learned how to fumble a ball while catching it in game absolutely. But I have faith in them.

[BeesWax]

I strongly feel every player who steps on an NBA court, with the exception of a rebounding shotblocking force at center, should be able to hit a wide open jump shot.

Look at the Heat.

Every scrub on that floor can drill it when left wide open.

They never play 4-on-5.

I have a problem with it.

Ok then we need to cut MKG and Zeller because neither can shoot.

Zeller most definitely improved his shot this year and made more wide open jumpshots as the year progressed. He started to hit more as his confidence rose and he was able to relax more out there. In the beginning of the year he ran around like a chicken with his head cut off. You could tell the game slowed down for him after he adjusted and his shooting was not as rushed. He was more controlled. And we've already discussed his bottom line improved being 15/9 per 36. I don't care how he got there, he improved his production.

Well then MKG scored better at the end and grew in the playoffs as a defender while also shooting better from outside the lane than Zeller. So the guy with the broken shot is a better shooter than Zeller.