The Jeffery "Mother Viking" Taylor Thread

[catch20two]

What do Taylor do that Hendo can't do? We don't need to start no damn Taylor over Hendo for developmental or any other purpose. We have Hendo locked down for 3 years on a decent valued contract. If we can embed in Hendo's head to camp out beyond the arc and shoot more 3s than he'll be 100x better than Taylor ever will be. Taylor is still working on becoming a solid backup, never mind starting. Let's not fall in love with the new shiny things. Taylor is probably only a year or 2 younger than Hendo at that.

Lol man do you hate Jeff Taylor. Hes not as good of a defender as Henderson, and he definitely can't do that awfully difficult fade away that Henderson does, but other than that they are equal in every facet of the game. Taylor is probably a better overall athlete than Henderson, but thats close. Taylor doesn't need to start when MKG returns, but I wouldn't be surprised or upset if he did, especially if he plays really well over the next month.

You just said what I said without as many words. They are equal in almost every facet except the fact that Hendo has other abilities. Thanks.

[Liver_Pooty]

What do Taylor do that Hendo can't do? We don't need to start no damn Taylor over Hendo for developmental or any other purpose. We have Hendo locked down for 3 years on a decent valued contract. If we can embed in Hendo's head to camp out beyond the arc and shoot more 3s than he'll be 100x better than Taylor ever will be. Taylor is still working on becoming a solid backup, never mind starting. Let's not fall in love with the new shiny things. Taylor is probably only a year or 2 younger than Hendo at that.

Lol man do you hate Jeff Taylor. Hes not as good of a defender as Henderson, and he definitely can't do that awfully difficult fade away that Henderson does, but other than that they are equal in every facet of the game. Taylor is probably a better overall athlete than Henderson, but thats close. Taylor doesn't need to start when MKG returns, but I wouldn't be surprised or upset if he did, especially if he plays really well over the next month.

You just said what I said without as many words. They are equal in almost every facet except the fact that Hendo has other abilities. Thanks.

Lol. Yeah, you got me.

BUT, If he continues his play I think he should start over MKG. Big, HUGE, IF, though. If Taylor were to average 15.5 a game at the SF spot during the next month would you start him?

[catch20two]

Lol man do you hate Jeff Taylor. Hes not as good of a defender as Henderson, and he definitely can't do that awfully difficult fade away that Henderson does, but other than that they are equal in every facet of the game. Taylor is probably a better overall athlete than Henderson, but thats close. Taylor doesn't need to start when MKG returns, but I wouldn't be surprised or upset if he did, especially if he plays really well over the next month.

You just said what I said without as many words. They are equal in almost every facet except the fact that Hendo has other abilities. Thanks.

Lol. Yeah, you got me.

BUT, If he continues his play I think he should start over MKG. Big, HUGE, IF, though. If Taylor were to average 15.5 a game at the SF spot during the next month would you start him?

Not if Taylor is giving up 20 a game to any bird brain at SF that put on a uniform for the opposing team. I'd rather keep MKG's 10 a game and help on the boards while limiting his opponent to below their averages.

If we win over 50% of our games in the next month with Taylor starting and putting up those numbers though Clifford would have to consider it and I wouldn't be mad at his decision.

[Liver_Pooty]

You just said what I said without as many words. They are equal in almost every facet except the fact that Hendo has other abilities. Thanks.

Lol. Yeah, you got me.

BUT, If he continues his play I think he should start over MKG. Big, HUGE, IF, though. If Taylor were to average 15.5 a game at the SF spot during the next month would you start him?

Not if Taylor is giving up 20 a game to any bird brain at SF that put on a uniform for the opposing team. I'd rather keep MKG's 10 a game and help on the boards while limiting his opponent to below their averages.

If we win over 50% of our games in the next month with Taylor starting and putting up those numbers though Clifford would have to consider it and I wouldn't be mad at his decision.

MKGs defense is good and everything, but his offense has been rather terrible. I am a MASSIVE MKG homer, but I try to be fair to all of our players.. This is all hypothetical anyway, but if Taylor averages 15 a game the starting job is his. He isn't an all NBA defender, but he isn't atrocious either.

[JDR720]

one reason MKG's offense seems so bad is because we literally run zero plays for him and we dont give him the ball at all, give him 13 shots per game he'll score 15pts on good percentages (except 3 of course), he is still way better than JT, only thing he does is score a little, MKG does everything

[catch20two]

Lol. Yeah, you got me.

BUT, If he continues his play I think he should start over MKG. Big, HUGE, IF, though. If Taylor were to average 15.5 a game at the SF spot during the next month would you start him?

Not if Taylor is giving up 20 a game to any bird brain at SF that put on a uniform for the opposing team. I'd rather keep MKG's 10 a game and help on the boards while limiting his opponent to below their averages.

If we win over 50% of our games in the next month with Taylor starting and putting up those numbers though Clifford would have to consider it and I wouldn't be mad at his decision.

MKGs defense is good and everything, but his offense has been rather terrible. I am a MASSIVE MKG homer, but I try to be fair to all of our players.. This is all hypothetical anyway, but if Taylor averages 15 a game the starting job is his. He isn't an all NBA defender, but he isn't atrocious either.

5 measily points is that important to you? And Taylor's defense has been atrocious so far this season and the numbers back me up. I don't want to hear about how he was one of our better defenders last year because the whole team scheme was horrible so it was difficult to gauge. He was just the better of the bad last year so that don't make him good defensively.

[Liver_Pooty]

Not if Taylor is giving up 20 a game to any bird brain at SF that put on a uniform for the opposing team. I'd rather keep MKG's 10 a game and help on the boards while limiting his opponent to below their averages.

If we win over 50% of our games in the next month with Taylor starting and putting up those numbers though Clifford would have to consider it and I wouldn't be mad at his decision.

MKGs defense is good and everything, but his offense has been rather terrible. I am a MASSIVE MKG homer, but I try to be fair to all of our players.. This is all hypothetical anyway, but if Taylor averages 15 a game the starting job is his. He isn't an all NBA defender, but he isn't atrocious either.

5 measily points is that important to you? And Taylor's defense has been atrocious so far this season and the numbers back me up. I don't want to hear about how he was one of our better defenders last year because the whole team scheme was horrible so it was difficult to gauge. He was just the better of the bad last year so that don't make him good defensively.

Take away that four game stretch where MKG averaged about 15 a game and hes in rather sad territory offensively. Its not really his fault either since hes instructed to go to a corner and sit there. But still.. If Taylor averages 16 or so a game in the next month he deserves to be the starting SF. Start looking after the betterment of the team and get over your hatred of a player.

[mrknowitall215]

Jeff Taylor & Michael Kidd-Gilchrist are adjacent scorers, meaning they basically score at the same rate, just in different ways. Trying to parse Taylor as a better scorer than MKG just because he appear to be a more willing shooter is a false assumption. MKG may have similar points per 36, but if you dig deeper he has a higher offensive rating, higher offensive win share, higher FG%, higher TS%, higher eFG%, and etc. than Taylor

This Season: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

Career: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

[JDR720]

Jeff Taylor & Michael Kidd-Gilchrist are adjacent scorers, meaning they basically score at the same rate, just in different ways. Trying to parse Taylor as a better scorer than MKG just because he appear to be a more willing shooter is a false assumption. MKG may have similar points per 36, but if you dig deeper he has a higher offensive rating, higher offensive win share, higher FG%, higher TS%, higher eFG%, and etc. than Taylor

This Season: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

Career: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 03&y2=2014

good post, MKG is better on offense than JT it has been proven

[catch20two]

I'd put up a whole week's paycheck that MKG could score 20 points a night in Eurobasket too. He would take advantage of those softies in the paint and in transition.

[JDR720]

MKG also almost doubles JT's rebounds even tho hes played 5 less mins than JT (95 to 50)

[JDR720]

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welp...now we might not have a SF....time to tank

[catch20two]

This might be a blessing in disguise.

[James Gatz]

Southerland gets some PT?

[Elden Payton]

I reckon it will be Tolliver.

Just to chime in on the MKG/JT debate.

MKG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JT

I can't wait to see how good MKG is in 4 years when he's JT's age now.

[Marvel]

Wasn't a good week for Jeff. In fact it was pretty pathetic. Not a good sign for him moving forward when MKG returns.

[fatlever]

dear viking gods like thor... please dont let taylor have a torn achilles. thank you.

[LamarMatic7]

This will sound impassive but I don't know whether we'll ever need JT again if he's out for the season. He has had a very very bad shooting season (as evidenced by him being last in the league in catch-and-shoot situations) and his only asset basically is his athleticism. If he doesn't return as the same athlete, I just don't know whether the league would need him any more.

Just throwing it out as a harsh possibility.

[Snidely FC]

dear viking gods like thor... please dont let taylor have a torn achilles. thank you.

And 100+

This will sound impassive but I don't know whether we'll ever need JT again if he's out for the season. He has had a very very bad shooting season (as evidenced by him being last in the league in catch-and-shoot situations) and his only asset basically is his athleticism. If he doesn't return as the same athlete, I just don't know whether the league would need him any more.

Sad but true . . .

[catch20two]

Hopefully it isn't a torn achilles and instead something like a burst plantar fasciitis. Even better, hopefully it's just a foot sprain. I hate injuries.