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fatlever wrote:I think we could see some really interesting aggressive defensive lineups featuring Batum, MKG, Marvin and Zeller with all being able to switch as needed. Its not quite the same as Klay, Iggy, Barnes and Green, but similar idea.
fatlever wrote:Braggins wrote:
If I had a list of my top 5 all-time favorite realgm posts, this would definitely be on that list. I love randomly saying that to people just to see their confused reactions.
I am glad someone enjoyed my Twin Peaks pics tonight. I'm at the start of season 2 right now, but I can see why you guys loved the show so much. I can't wait for more great opportunities for Twin Peaks memes.
LamarMatic7 wrote:fatlever wrote:Braggins wrote:
If I had a list of my top 5 all-time favorite realgm posts, this would definitely be on that list. I love randomly saying that to people just to see their confused reactions.
I am glad someone enjoyed my Twin Peaks pics tonight. I'm at the start of season 2 right now, but I can see why you guys loved the show so much. I can't wait for more great opportunities for Twin Peaks memes.
We should all discuss the series on the "what you are watching" thread once you finish season two. I know Braggins is up for this.
LamarMatic7 wrote:fatlever wrote:I think we could see some really interesting aggressive defensive lineups featuring Batum, MKG, Marvin and Zeller with all being able to switch as needed. Its not quite the same as Klay, Iggy, Barnes and Green, but similar idea.
interesting train of thought, fats. we probably, indeed, are reacting to the newest trends of the NBA with these trades.
Flip Murray wrote:MiltownHawkeye wrote:driveandkick wrote:Can't believe the reaction this trade is getting. I loved Noah, but his future is so up in the air. When Cho drafted him he knew he was an asset, and he cashed him in for one of the best two way players in the league. Are people really asking how this makes us better? Uhh, Vonleh played like 5 mpg last year he was a nonfactor. And when I compare Batum to Henderson, Batum is only a better scorer, passer, rebounder, shooter, and defender. He is an absolute massive upgrade. For those talking about his bad year last year you're just nitpicking. Batum was battling nagging injuries all season and he was MUCH better after the all star break. Only 26 still!!! He could very well be just as much of a piece to our core as Vonleh was. We'll have the money to retain him if he has a big season which I'm sure he will. We got MUCH better with today's additions. Batum can ball and you guys are gonna see. Sure Vonleh could become a 20/10 guy, but he also could bust. You have to take risks in this league. All I know is we traded an average two and unproven prospect for one of the best two way players in the NBA who's still only 26.
Unbiased observer here.
1) Batum is not "one of the best two-way players" in the league. He's about average at both. He's not some huge impact player.
2) He's an old 26. He entered the league at 18. Younger players are cool because they have a better chance at significant improvement. Batum is what he is at this point.
3) Trading long-term projects with good upside for veterans on a rental isn't really a "risk." It's not creative or daring. It's just a lazy shortcut to team-building. It's a way to ensure you spin your wheels in the 7th-10th seed for a year. If you're going to trade a player as young as Vonleh for a veteran on the position a team like CHA is in, it should either be a serious needle-mover or an amazing fit. I seriously doubt Batum is either. And if he is? He can walk the next year.
you sound very unbiased.
MiltownHawkeye wrote::cry:Flip Murray wrote:MiltownHawkeye wrote:Unbiased observer here.
1) Batum is not "one of the best two-way players" in the league. He's about average at both. He's not some huge impact player.
2) He's an old 26. He entered the league at 18. Younger players are cool because they have a better chance at significant improvement. Batum is what he is at this point.
3) Trading long-term projects with good upside for veterans on a rental isn't really a "risk." It's not creative or daring. It's just a lazy shortcut to team-building. It's a way to ensure you spin your wheels in the 7th-10th seed for a year. If you're going to trade a player as young as Vonleh for a veteran on the position a team like CHA is in, it should either be a serious needle-mover or an amazing fit. I seriously doubt Batum is either. And if he is? He can walk the next year.
you sound very unbiased.
You caught me, I am very biased. I have harbored a seething hate for the Charlotte Hornets and for Nicolas Batum for a long time. I am also Noah Vonleh's biggest fan. Imagine my delight when I saw this trade.
catch20two wrote:Liver_Pooty wrote:catch20two wrote:Well did he get surgery yet?
His wrist is fine now. Just needed rest.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2015/01/nicolas_batum_says_he_has_had_torn_ligament_in_his.html
It don't work like that. A torn ligament don't heal itself.
floppymoose wrote:It comes down to Vonleh. I'm not a believer in him, so to me this trade is fine for CHA.
Hornet Mania wrote:Disgusted with this trade, disgusted with this whole organization. Cho and Cliff have no idea what they're Batum duplicates too much of what MKG brings and he's not the type of player who will lift our offense.
Bence wrote:Hornet Mania wrote:Disgusted with this trade, disgusted with this whole organization. Cho and Cliff have no idea what they're Batum duplicates too much of what MKG brings and he's not the type of player who will lift our offense.
Other than both being good defenders (of course Mike is superior in that) what characteristics do you think are duplicated in Batum and MKG? I think their whole game is different - passing, cutting lanes, preferred shots and where they usally take them etc.
Whole day during work I was thinking about this (when I wasn't sneak on to play Chivalry-Medievel Warfare - **** awesome game, check it out), and I don't think they will clash if they'll be on the floor at the same time.
Hornet Mania wrote:Who aside from MKG and maaaaybe Zeller (if we keep either of them) projects to be any better in 2017 than they are now?
Hornet Mania wrote:Bence wrote:Hornet Mania wrote:Disgusted with this trade, disgusted with this whole organization. Cho and Cliff have no idea what they're Batum duplicates too much of what MKG brings and he's not the type of player who will lift our offense.
Other than both being good defenders (of course Mike is superior in that) what characteristics do you think are duplicated in Batum and MKG? I think their whole game is different - passing, cutting lanes, preferred shots and where they usally take them etc.
Whole day during work I was thinking about this (when I wasn't sneak on to play Chivalry-Medievel Warfare - **** awesome game, check it out), and I don't think they will clash if they'll be on the floor at the same time.
Their best position is SF, most of their value is on the defensive end (less-so with Batum, to be fair), and neither guy can create their own shot with any sort of consistency. We needed a SG who could create for others and score at volume, plus be a quality outside shooter. That is exactly the sort of player who fits with MKG, anything else is going to be awkward in various ways.
The fact we're gonna have to give Batum $20m+ next summer is just the **** icing on that cake. He's simply not worth that kind of scratch unless he's the last piece pushing your team over the top (like Iggy for the Warriors).
This is such an awful trade on so many levels. What is our best-case scenario? Playoffs? And then what? Who aside from MKG and maaaaybe Zeller (if we keep either of them) projects to be any better in 2017 than they are now? So at best we're locked into the 6th-8th seed. Swell.
