Fake Trade Thread 2014-15

BeesWax · Post #401 » by **BeesWax** » Sun Jun 8, 2014 3:08 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Apparently we had talks with Houston a while back about Asik. They wanted the equivalent of three first rounders. Lol
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/chand ... -dominoes/

Depending on what assets they will part with to move them I would consider using our space this way.

Liver_Pooty · Post #402 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jun 8, 2014 3:15 am

jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Apparently we had talks with Houston a while back about Asik. They wanted the equivalent of three first rounders. Lol
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/chand ... -dominoes/

Depending on what assets they will part with to move them I would consider using our space this way.

Use our cap space for a backup on our squad? No thanks.

colincb · Post #403 » by **colincb** » Sun Jun 8, 2014 3:44 am

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TheKingofSting2 · Post #404 » by **TheKingofSting2** » Sun Jun 8, 2014 4:58 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Apparently we had talks with Houston a while back about Asik. They wanted the equivalent of three first rounders. Lol
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/chand ... -dominoes/

LOL, thank God our name is not Cleveland.

BeesWax · Post #405 » by **BeesWax** » Sun Jun 8, 2014 1:37 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Apparently we had talks with Houston a while back about Asik. They wanted the equivalent of three first rounders. Lol
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/chand ... -dominoes/

Depending on what assets they will part with to move them I would consider using our space this way.

Use our cap space for a backup on our squad? No thanks.

It depends on what we can get with our space. If the main targets are not looking at us delaying our space on year and getting some youth would not be so bad.

HornetJail · Post #406 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 1:48 pm

This was proposed by a Detroit fan. Would you guys take this deal? I know I would.

Laimbeer wrote:Detroit trades: Smith, DET 2015 1st (unprotected)
Detroit gets: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected), Terry, Williams, Outlaw

Why? Gain minor assets while moving Smith for expirings

Charlotte trades: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected)
Charlotte gets: #8

Why? Land high pick in loaded draft

Sacramento trades: #8, Terry, Williams, Outlaw
Sacramento gets: DET 2015 1st (unprotected), Smith

Why? Upgrade team now with Smith while getting potentially very high pick next year

BeesWax · Post #407 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:14 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:This was proposed by a Detroit fan. Would you guys take this deal? I know I would.

Laimbeer wrote:Detroit trades: Smith, DET 2015 1st (unprotected)
Detroit gets: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected), Terry, Williams, Outlaw

Why? Gain minor assets while moving Smith for expirings

Charlotte trades: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected)
Charlotte gets: #8

Why? Land high pick in loaded draft

Sacramento trades: #8, Terry, Williams, Outlaw
Sacramento gets: DET 2015 1st (unprotected), Smith

Why? Upgrade team now with Smith while getting potentially very high pick next year

For me it would depend on who fell to 8.

ARHornet · Post #408 » by **ARHornet** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 2:36 pm

jdm3 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:This was proposed by a Detroit fan. Would you guys take this deal? I know I would.

Laimbeer wrote:Detroit trades: Smith, DET 2015 1st (unprotected)
Detroit gets: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected), Terry, Williams, Outlaw

Why? Gain minor assets while moving Smith for expirings

Charlotte trades: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected)
Charlotte gets: #8

Why? Land high pick in loaded draft

Sacramento trades: #8, Terry, Williams, Outlaw
Sacramento gets: DET 2015 1st (unprotected), Smith

Why? Upgrade team now with Smith while getting potentially very high pick next year

For me it would depend on who fell to 8.

Yeah, same here. For Randle or Vonleh I'd probably do it. For Gordon or Smart, no way.

The 2015 1st being unprotected bugs me. That could come back to bite us badly.

NCHeels2008 · Post #409 » by **NCHeels2008** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:06 pm

I don't like Zeller and the 2015, if you say Zeller isn't worth much, fine let us keep him then.

BeesWax · Post #410 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:41 pm

ARHornet wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:This was proposed by a Detroit fan. Would you guys take this deal? I know I would.

For me it would depend on who fell to 8.

Yeah, same here. For Randle or Vonleh I'd probably do it. For Gordon or Smart, no way.

The 2015 1st being unprotected bugs me. That could come back to bite us badly.

The only guy who may be there at 8 I would do it for is Vonleh. Why trade an undersized athletic and weak PF for and undersized less athletic and strong PF. I would rather have the shot blocker and shooter.

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mrknowitall215 · Post #411 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:46 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:This was proposed by a Detroit fan. Would you guys take this deal? I know I would.

Laimbeer wrote:Detroit trades: Smith, DET 2015 1st (unprotected)
Detroit gets: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected), Terry, Williams, Outlaw

Why? Gain minor assets while moving Smith for expirings

Charlotte trades: #24, #45, Zeller, CHA 2015 1st (unprotected)
Charlotte gets: #8

Why? Land high pick in loaded draft

Sacramento trades: #8, Terry, Williams, Outlaw
Sacramento gets: DET 2015 1st (unprotected), Smith

Why? Upgrade team now with Smith while getting potentially very high pick next year

I would do that trade in a heartbeat. The only thing Charlotte would be losing is Zeller, a couple late picks, and a future 1st that should be a late 1st rounder as long as it's unprotected through the next few years. Use that #8 to upgrade the PF position with Randle, Vonleh, or Gordon and then follow that up with the #9 pick for Young, LaVine, or Stauskas. The Hornets would be the best young team in the league with the brightest future

HornetJail · Post #412 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 3:53 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I would do that trade in a heartbeat. The only thing Charlotte would be losing is Zeller, a couple late picks, and a future 1st that should be a late 1st rounder as long as it's unprotected through the next few years. Use that #8 to upgrade the PF position with Randle, Vonleh, or Gordon and then follow that up with the #9 pick for Young, LaVine, or Stauskas. The Hornets would be the best young team in the league with the brightest future

Glad you like it as much as I do. I would honestly be alright with picking McDermott along with another scorer at the 2 guard (Stauskas or Lavine). One of the picks doesn't have to be a power forward. We've got three bigs in Al, Biz, and McBob (I think he'll return), we've got tons of cap space, MKG and McDermott could play a few small ball PF minutes (I recommend this, as we're playing Al-Jefferson-ball, surrounding him with wings is a good idea), and we can just as easily bring Tolly back. We need wing help so badly that I would actually advocate picking two wing scorers in the draft and bring in Lance (or Deng) on top of all that. Of course, if Vonleh or Randle falls, you've got to pick him up at 8 or 9.

I honestly think this is a pipe dream. I don't honestly think that package gets us a pick higher than 11.

mrknowitall215 · Post #413 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:06 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:I would do that trade in a heartbeat. The only thing Charlotte would be losing is Zeller, a couple late picks, and a future 1st that should be a late 1st rounder as long as it's unprotected through the next few years. Use that #8 to upgrade the PF position with Randle, Vonleh, or Gordon and then follow that up with the #9 pick for Young, LaVine, or Stauskas. The Hornets would be the best young team in the league with the brightest future

Glad you like it as much as I do. I would honestly be alright with picking McDermott along with another scorer at the 2 guard (Stauskas or Lavine). One of the picks doesn't have to be a power forward. We've got three bigs in Al, Biz, and McBob (I think he'll return), we've got tons of cap space, MKG and McDermott could play a few small ball PF minutes (I recommend this, as we're playing Al-Jefferson-ball, surrounding him with wings is a good idea), and we can just as easily bring Tolly back. We need wing help so badly that I would actually advocate picking two wing scorers in the draft and bring in Lance (or Deng) on top of all that. Of course, if Vonleh or Randle falls, you've got to pick him up at 8 or 9.

I honestly think this is a pipe dream. I don't honestly think that package gets us a pick higher than 11.

I agree that they don't necessarily have to take a PF, but I would have a hard time passing on Randle or Vonleh if they're available at #8. I'd probably pass on Gordon or Saric though for the opportunity to take McDermott

_tijo_ · Post #414 » by **_tijo_** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:07 pm

Not sure if we can trade next year's first.... since we technically traded our first this year. Would have to look up the NBA rules and stuff, which I'm too lazy to do.

HornetJail · Post #415 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:09 pm

_tijo_ wrote:Not sure if we can trade next year's first.... since we technically traded our first this year. Would have to look up the NBA rules and stuff, which I'm too lazy to do.

It would have to become official after we make our selection. It's just a technicality. We would agree on the deal and the other team would pick for us. The deal would be made after our 9th pick.

mrknowitall215 · Post #416 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:10 pm

_tijo_ wrote:Not sure if we can trade next year's first.... since we technically traded our first this year. Would have to look up the NBA rules and stuff, which I'm too lazy to do.

The Knicks traded their 1st rounders back-to-back-to-back for almost the past half a decade or so. I think it's within the rules, just Charlotte wasn't allowed to trade their future 1st rounder as previously constructed until it was conceived by Chicago. Now that Chicago own the 2014 1st rounder, Charlotte is allowed to trade future 1st rounders that they own without owing it to another NBA team

BeesWax · Post #417 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:21 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
_tijo_ wrote:Not sure if we can trade next year's first.... since we technically traded our first this year. Would have to look up the NBA rules and stuff, which I'm too lazy to do.

The Knicks traded their 1st rounders back-to-back-to-back for almost the past half a decade or so. I think it's within the rules, just Charlotte wasn't allowed to trade their future 1st rounder as previously constructed until it was conceived by Chicago. Now that Chicago own the 2014 1st rounder, Charlotte is allowed to trade future 1st rounders that they own without owing it to another NBA team

You cannot trade picks ahead of time two years in a row. You can draft for another team then trade your pick but you cannot miss making your pick two years in a row. There is no way to trade our 2015 pick right now. We can only trade it after we make it.

If we made this move and ended up with Randle I would be pissed. We could use some depth as our team is terrible when we go to the bench so giving up depth for a tweener would kill me. Also if we ended up with Randle and Young and Al's foot acts up again we would be very high in the lottery. Two project guys would not improve us enough to get us over the top and losing Al would send us straight to the bottom.

mrknowitall215 · Post #418 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:25 pm

jdm3 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
_tijo_ wrote:Not sure if we can trade next year's first.... since we technically traded our first this year. Would have to look up the NBA rules and stuff, which I'm too lazy to do.

The Knicks traded their 1st rounders back-to-back-to-back for almost the past half a decade or so. I think it's within the rules, just Charlotte wasn't allowed to trade their future 1st rounder as previously constructed until it was conceived by Chicago. Now that Chicago own the 2014 1st rounder, Charlotte is allowed to trade future 1st rounders that they own without owing it to another NBA team

You cannot trade picks ahead of time two years in a row. You can draft for another team then trade your pick but you cannot miss making your pick two years in a row. There is no way to trade our 2015 pick right now. We can only trade it after we make it.

Thanks for the info if true. How was the Knicks capable of trading multiple future 1st rounders then? And would it be considered trading picks two years in a row if the original trade of the 2014 1st rounder happened in 2010?

BeesWax · Post #419 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:30 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
The Knicks traded their 1st rounders back-to-back-to-back for almost the past half a decade or so. I think it's within the rules, just Charlotte wasn't allowed to trade their future 1st rounder as previously constructed until it was conceived by Chicago. Now that Chicago own the 2014 1st rounder, Charlotte is allowed to trade future 1st rounders that they own without owing it to another NBA team

You cannot trade picks ahead of time two years in a row. You can draft for another team then trade your pick but you cannot miss making your pick two years in a row. There is no way to trade our 2015 pick right now. We can only trade it after we make it.

If we made this move and ended up with Randle I would be pissed. We could use some depth as our team is terrible when we go to the bench so giving up depth for a tweener would kill me. Also if we ended up with Randle and Young and Al's foot acts up again we would be very high in the lottery. Two project guys would not improve us enough to get us over the top and losing Al would send us straight to the bottom.

Thanks for the info if true. How was the Knicks capable of trading multiple future 1st rounders then? And would it be considered trading picks two years in a row if the original trade of the 2014 1st rounder happened in 2010?

The rule is you cannot have another team use your pick two years in a row. Does not matter when the trade is made. I don't know the Knicks deals you are talking about. They have over the years worked around this with pick swap options and giving away every other year picks. It is a future pick trade rule. After the draft is over we could make the move. So lets say we agree to take guys for the other teams at our picks and wait till after the draft to trade the rights plus the future pick. The key is you cannot owe future picks in back to back years so this would have to be a post draft trade which is always risky because teams could back out because of a player who falls.

ARHornet · Post #420 » by **ARHornet** » Mon Jun 9, 2014 4:30 pm

I was thinking about it from the perspective of having to take a PF at 8. But I guess you wouldn't necessarily need to. Bring in Stauskas and McDermott. McDermott and MKG can play together at the forwards when we want to go small. And we still have our cap room to go get a backup point guard and another big. Our offense would definitely be improved.

Kemba, FA
Stauskas, Hendo
MKG, McDermott, Taylor
McBob, FA
Al, Biz