Offseason 2025 Thread

[Diop]

Did you not advocate for doing this exact thing like five minutes ago?

No y'all was on the LaMelo/Lonzo team up. I was against it then over time I became ok with doing it. I never actively pushed for Lonzo.

Now that the dad is back talking I'm against it.

So you wanted something / became ok with something, but now that's change only because of Lavar. That is letting him dictate what we do.

i'm not going to let Lavar dictate what i'd do, but if he doesn't shut up, i'm going to trade his son to Canada

just out of spite.

[JustBuzzin]

I could give two **** what Lavar wants but I want Lonzo as a legit backup PG. or Tre jones. Or tyus jones. Or anyone.

Yeah Melo plays 40 games and Lonzo can play the other 40 games that way we get a combined 80 games out of the Ball bros.

You can't have the attitude of Melo sucks, but also not want to trade unless you can get back Dylan Harper though.

What the helly?

[fatlever]

Part of me wonders if the chatter from both Lonzo and Lavar about wanting melo in LA, It's just them talking out of their **** without any agreement from melo, Or a convenient way for melo To send a message that he wants out of Charlotte without actually having to say it himself. He gets to continue as the happy go lucky dude Without that lightning rod of sounding like he's asking out himself. Pretty convenient if it's the latter.

Regardless, I give him one more year in Charlotte, Max, before he gets his agent involved. Unless, somehow the team clicks and we start winning or unless the team brings in lonzo or another big name. The clock is ticking.

[Diop]

Yeah Melo plays 40 games and Lonzo can play the other 40 games that way we get a combined 80 games out of the Ball bros.

You can't have the attitude of Melo sucks, but also not want to trade unless you can get back Dylan Harper though.

What the helly?

yeah I think we all need to take a deep breath here.

we're having some reactive takes in the off season which is expected.
we should remember it is possible to not really like Lamelo and be happy to trade him, while still understanding his value and wanting only a big return for him.

[Diop]

if the front office think Darryn Peterson is the answer to replace Lamelo, they could decide to tank again.

ugh that would suck. lets hope Lamelo shows he is a star and tanking is never thought of

[JustBuzzin]

The word "tank" should be banned around here. Please stop believing in that tanking stuff. The lottery is rigged and clearly the NBA has no love for Charlotte.

[JMAC3]

You can't have the attitude of Melo sucks, but also not want to trade unless you can get back Dylan Harper though.

What the helly?

yeah I think we all need to take a deep breath here.

we're having some reactive takes in the off season which is expected.
we should remember it is possible to not really like Lamelo and be happy to trade him, while still understanding his value and wanting only a big return for him.

Yeah I just don't think anyone is all that reasonable when it comes to trades, you can't talk how LaMelo doesn't win and can't stay healthy but then on the flip side expect a massive trade return as you are pushing him out the door. but this is what we do... we talk about guys like Mikal Bridges and how great he would be for the team but then scoff at trading 2 firsts for him... or Trey Murphy as a guy we want if we trade down from 4 to 7 but then balk at trading first round picks for him.

Expecting the Spurs to trade down from 2 to 4 for the worst of the Phx, Washington and Orlando picks...

If you are trading LaMelo you aren't getting #2, you aren't getting Morant or Garland... you are going to get a package like Memphis got. A bunch of picks that you project come from a playoff team. or a bunch of random players that haven't been multi-time allstars.

[Bassman]

Also posted this on LaMelo thread. Kendrick Perkins quoted:

The Charlotte Hornets, might need to keep an eye on them, all the way through the draft." ESPN's Kendrick Perkins said on Sunday.

"They might be moving on from LaMelo Ball, I'm hearing that. Though it sounds crazy, this draft - there's gonna be a whole lotta trades."

[fatlever]

loved the "get serious" segment on LoH today. true words were spoken.
so many twigs on this team.
how many guys on our roster hold up mentally and physically thru a playoff grind to finals?
It's crazy how many players I've seen in these playoffs sprain an ankle. And my first instinct from watching the Hornets for the past 5 years is, oh **** well that guy's season is over. And they go back in the tunnel and they come back five minutes later and they play through an obvious sprained ankle.
I agree with what Doug said, I don't think melo is soft, He grew up with two older brothers. But you can tell from that tattoo picture today that he doesn't really give a **** about the weight room.
And I was actually thinking this yesterday about tiddy, And Doug mentioned it today. He may not pan out but there's no way it will be due to lack of effort and trying. I think there's only one guy, maybe two, on the roster that might outwork tiddy this summer, and that's moose and maybe, Grant rehabbing that injury.

count the twigs on our roster
1. melo
2. miller
3. mark
4. mann
5. nsj
6. ?

And some of those guys even with the best weight training in the world aren't ever gonna be strong, but damn, at least try. We've been saying it for two years that this team lacked functional nba strength up and down the roster. It certainly wasn't as bad by the end of the year last year as it was the previous year since the new regime has kind of gotten a little bit more serious about adding players with nba strength - grant, moose, tiddy, nurk, okogie all come to mind... and kj for a little dude is fierce and tough as nails.

I'm really hoping that for some of the guys on this roster that it's really just been the injuries and the unfortunate timing of them always heading into off season that has hurt them in terms of strength conditioning. Well in the fact that our previous owners didn't give two **** about investing in a staff that was up to standards.

/rant

[yosemiteben]

What exactly is the basis to say guys aren't trying at weight training?

[JMAC3]

I wouldn't call Mark Williams a twig, he weighs 242 lbs.

Mitchell Robinson is 240 lbs
Kat is 248 lbs
Rob Williams 237 lbs
Jarret Allen 243 lbs

and so on and so on...

[JDR720]

Melo has basically no muscle definition, so I think he's the only one that isn't really trying. Despite being so skinny, he doesn't even have visible abs.

Miller I think tries, but is limited because of wrist injury. Same for Mark but for back. Mann too.

All of them lack functional strengh.

You can look at them and compare them to Mousa, who is also skinny, but has visible muscles and plays physically.

[fatlever]

What exactly is the basis to say guys aren't trying at weight training?

my eyeballs

[fatlever]

I wouldn't call Mark Williams a twig, he weighs 242 lbs.

Mitchell Robinson is 240 lbs
Kat is 248 lbs
Rob Williams 237 lbs
Jarret Allen 243 lbs

and so on and so on...

if kat is 248 i'll eat my shoes on live video

[fatlever]

Like I said I do think that injuries are a huge part of it. It's unfortunate that all of these guys have suffered pretty serious injuries that have probably limited their ability to get in the weight room and really get after it. But if you listen to loh today, They talked about how grant was talking about how important working out in the weight room is for him. He said contrary to what you might think not all nba players really care about weight training. He said some do and some don't. he didn't name names, but...

[fatlever]

Odd to me that me saying this team has a bunch of toothpicks that are in desperate need improved strength training and that the team lacks functional strength is a controversial take.

[JDR720]

I wouldn't call Mark Williams a twig, he weighs 242 lbs.

Mitchell Robinson is 240 lbs
Kat is 248 lbs
Rob Williams 237 lbs
Jarret Allen 243 lbs

and so on and so on...

Allen, Williams and Robinson are all like 6'9.

At his height, Mark should be pushing 260-ish if he was well built. Mark's main issue is lacking lower body strength though, he gets pushed around pretty easily which is one of the reasons his defense was so bad this season.

[yosemiteben]

Odd to me that me saying this team has a bunch of toothpicks that are in desperate need improved strength training and that the team lacks functional strength is a controversial take.

I don't think saying that we need stronger guys is controversial, my point is that maybe several of our guys (through a combination of injury and body type / genetics) aren't capable of putting on substantial strength. Not sure the issue is guys being unwilling to do the work.

[yosemiteben]

I wouldn't call Mark Williams a twig, he weighs 242 lbs.

Mitchell Robinson is 240 lbs
Kat is 248 lbs
Rob Williams 237 lbs
Jarret Allen 243 lbs

and so on and so on...

Allen, Williams and Robinson are all like 6'9.

At his height, Mark should be pushing 260-ish if he was well built. Mark's main issue is lacking lower body strength though, he gets pushed around pretty easily which is one of the reasons his defense was so bad this season.

I find it particularly tough to criticize Mark for strength related stuff. He sat out for like a calendar year with injury, and in particular his back and feet which I assume seriously limited his ability to get in the weight room.

[Liver_Pooty]

loved the "get serious" segment on LoH today. true words were spoken.
so many twigs on this team.
how many guys on our roster hold up mentally and physically thru a playoff grind to finals?
It's crazy how many players I've seen in these playoffs sprain an ankle. And my first instinct from watching the Hornets for the past 5 years is, oh **** well that guy's season is over. And they go back in the tunnel and they come back five minutes later and they play through an obvious sprained ankle.
I agree with what Doug said, I don't think melo is soft, He grew up with two older brothers. But you can tell from that tattoo picture today that he doesn't really give a **** about the weight room.
And I was actually thinking this yesterday about tiddy, And Doug mentioned it today. He may not pan out but there's no way it will be due to lack of effort and trying. I think there's only one guy, maybe two, on the roster that might outwork tiddy this summer, and that's moose and maybe, Grant rehabbing that injury.

count the twigs on our roster
1. melo
2. miller
3. mark
4. mann
5. nsj
6. ?

And some of those guys even with the best weight training in the world aren't ever gonna be strong, but damn, at least try. We've been saying it for two years that this team lacked functional nba strength up and down the roster. It certainly wasn't as bad by the end of the year last year as it was the previous year since the new regime has kind of gotten a little bit more serious about adding players with nba strength - grant, moose, tiddy, nurk, okogie all come to mind... and kj for a little dude is fierce and tough as nails.

I'm really hoping that for some of the guys on this roster that it's really just been the injuries and the unfortunate timing of them always heading into off season that has hurt them in terms of strength conditioning. Well in the fact that our previous owners didn't give two **** about investing in a staff that was up to standards.

/rant

Watching it now. Can tell they saw the tattoo pic and brought it up without solely calling Lamelo out.