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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#601 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:05 am

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Snidely FC wrote:The trade I like for Afflalo is Zeller + Gary Neal.
Whatever you think of Zeller, he was a 4 pick a year ago, and fits the ORL rebuild perfectly.
ORL already has the 4 & 12 this year. You're replacing Afflalo with one of those picks. Might as well turn Afflalo into Zeller.
You don't need the 9 or 24 too.
Neal's thrown in for salary reasons.


Then draft McDermott @ #9?

Kemba Walker/
Arron Afflalo/Gerald Henderson/Chris Douglas-Roberts
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist/Doug McDermott (#9)/Jeff Taylor
Josh McRoberts/Jarnell Stokes (#24)
Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo/Brendan Haywood

That would be beyond solid with a lot of depth, and still a lot of cap space to go after the best backup PG on the free-agent market from Shaun Livingston to Greivis Vasquez and a solid PF acquisition. Actually, it would still leave Charlotte with enough cap space to exhaust Taj Gibson from Chicago. Throw Gibson into the above roster and the Hornets are one of the deepest teams in the Eastern Conference next season

What do we trade for Gibson? #24, Taylor, unprotected 2015 1st? I do that deal.


I would trade a future 1st, protected or unprotected, and they could have Jeffery Taylor if they wanted. All I know is that roster would be legit enough to give the next LeBron team a challenge
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#602 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:09 am

JDR720 wrote:I would just do #24 & JT for Gibson, i wouldn't include any other first round picks, he will be 29 in 2 days


That future 1st would either be a late 1st rounder next season if unprotected or evaporated into a 2nd rounder if protected for 2-3 years. Gibson is a legit PF that should've won 6th man this year and one of the few perfect compliments to Jefferson as a rim protector that can legitimately shoot out to the perimeter. Gibson may turn 29 in 2 days, but he'll be a more than serviceable starter for the next 3-5 years
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#603 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:18 am

Never a good idea to trade an unprotected future first. Better put some protection on that bad boy just in case.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#604 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:30 am

BlackOutBobcat wrote:I highly, HIGHLY doubt we'd trade a top ten pick for Afflalo (that includes Cody, a 4th pick), and frankly I just don't see how his value could be that high. Old wings just aren't that valuable. I mean, Deng went for a couple seconds and a pick swap option, and I'd consider him the superior player.

Even if he were top 5 at the weakest position in the league, we'd be giving up a top pick for 1 year of Afflalo, only to have the privilege of re-signing a 30 year old.

I just don't see it.

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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#605 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:33 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
BlackOutBobcat wrote:I highly, HIGHLY doubt we'd trade a top ten pick for Afflalo (that includes Cody, a 4th pick), and frankly I just don't see how his value could be that high. Old wings just aren't that valuable. I mean, Deng went for a couple seconds and a pick swap option, and I'd consider him the superior player.

Even if he were top 5 at the weakest position in the league, we'd be giving up a top pick for 1 year of Afflalo, only to have the privilege of re-signing a 30 year old.

I just don't see it.

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Chicago is probably trying to trade the 16 or 19 for him, and posters on here are considering trading last years 4th pick in the draft for him. :crazy:
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#606 » by stinger14 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:38 am

Hornets get Gibson, Afflalo, Dunleavy Jr.

Bulls get Henderson, 12th pick from Magic, future 1st round pick from Hornets with top 10 protection, future 2nd round pick from Hornets.

Magic get Zeller, 16th pick from Bulls, 45th pick from Hornets

Sign Party Mills, sign McRoberts

9th pick to either PF or SG

Kemba, Mills, pick #24
Afflalo, Neal
MKG, Dunleavy, Taylor
Gibson, McRoberts
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#607 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:41 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
BlackOutBobcat wrote:I highly, HIGHLY doubt we'd trade a top ten pick for Afflalo (that includes Cody, a 4th pick), and frankly I just don't see how his value could be that high. Old wings just aren't that valuable. I mean, Deng went for a couple seconds and a pick swap option, and I'd consider him the superior player.

Even if he were top 5 at the weakest position in the league, we'd be giving up a top pick for 1 year of Afflalo, only to have the privilege of re-signing a 30 year old.

I just don't see it.

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Chicago is probably trying to trade the 16 or 19 for him, and posters on here are considering trading last years 4th pick in the draft for him. :crazy:


I don't even think the Bulls will go through with it. It's 1 year of Afflalo and then his salary will definitely jump and make it impossible to keep Melo and all of them together.

I wouldn't trade Zeller for Afflalo straight up. I agree that he fits on the Magic but the proposals I've read in this thread have me so relieved this is RealGM and not Cho's entourage.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#608 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:42 am

I would even be reluctant to trade Zeller for pick 12. I just don't like the talent there. Randle would have to fall to 9 and Stauskas would have to be there at 12 for me to do it.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#609 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:49 am

1-year of Afflalo (while blocking Oladipo) and 2-years of Taj Gibson (while blocking Melo) are 2 of the most inflated commodities on the trade market. The Magic and Bulls are vulturing teams looking to win now for much younger cost controlled players and high picks. Stay far far away. Someone is going to get screwed for those guys, total overpay in the works. The Bulls are a dangerous organization, they got SAC's top 10 2015 pick for 1/2 season of Deng. I'd stick with Lance, draft Stauskas and take a SF with the 24 pick like McDaniels, Grant or GRIII. Just bundle the talent and don't ever pay twice for a short term player in $$/cap space and prospects/young players. That's why the Yankees always wait for free agents they can buy for money alone. They never trade for big name rentals at the trade deadline in prospects. They just wait. That's how you build and stay good.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#610 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:54 am

MasterIchiro wrote:1-year of Afflalo (while blocking Oladipo) and 2-years of Taj Gibson (while blocking Melo) are 2 of the most inflated commodities on the trade market.


It would help Charlotte win more now, while making them a more attractive destination for when the next LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Melo free-agency come about, most likely consisting of Anthony Davis and a few others, they will have a legitimate chance of landing those players. If Charlotte had been a winning team the past few years, Carmelo Anthony would be interested in the Hornets instead of the Bulls. Not all teams are built through the draft, and the ones that are, usually meant that they drafted a franchise changer a la Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, and etc.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#611 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:56 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:1-year of Afflalo (while blocking Oladipo) and 2-years of Taj Gibson (while blocking Melo) are 2 of the most inflated commodities on the trade market.


It would help Charlotte win more now, while making them a more attractive destination for when the next LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Melo free-agency come about, most likely consisting of Anthony Davis and a few others, they will have a legitimate chance of landing those players. If Charlotte had been a winning team the past few years, Carmelo Anthony would be interested in the Hornets instead of the Bulls. Not all teams are built through the draft, and the ones that are, usually meant that they drafted a franchise changer a la Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, and etc.


Anthony Davis will be interested regardless. He's from Chicago and his mom loves MJ. We don't need to double pay (in prospects/picks and $$) to impress Davis.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#612 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:58 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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MasterIchiro wrote:1-year of Afflalo (while blocking Oladipo) and 2-years of Taj Gibson (while blocking Melo) are 2 of the most inflated commodities on the trade market.


It would help Charlotte win more now, while making them a more attractive destination for when the next LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Melo free-agency come about, most likely consisting of Anthony Davis and a few others, they will have a legitimate chance of landing those players. If Charlotte had been a winning team the past few years, Carmelo Anthony would be interested in the Hornets instead of the Bulls. Not all teams are built through the draft, and the ones that are, usually meant that they drafted a franchise changer a la Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, and etc.


Anthony Davis will be interested regardless. He's from Chicago and his mom loves MJ. We don't need to double pay (in prospects/picks and $$) to impress Davis.


A team that wins 50-60 games is a lot more attractive than a team that win 40-50 games, believe that
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#613 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:01 am

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It would help Charlotte win more now, while making them a more attractive destination for when the next LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Melo free-agency come about, most likely consisting of Anthony Davis and a few others, they will have a legitimate chance of landing those players. If Charlotte had been a winning team the past few years, Carmelo Anthony would be interested in the Hornets instead of the Bulls. Not all teams are built through the draft, and the ones that are, usually meant that they drafted a franchise changer a la Michael Jordan, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, and etc.


Anthony Davis will be interested regardless. He's from Chicago and his mom loves MJ. We don't need to double pay (in prospects/picks and $$) to impress Davis.


A team that wins 50-60 games is a lot more attractive than a team that win 40-50 games, believe that
Dude his mom literally cried when Charlotte didn't win the #1 pick. And I'd rather have young, hungry team ready for the next big star. We're in position to attract Lance and he's a top 5 SG. He's there for $$ alone.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#614 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:04 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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Anthony Davis will be interested regardless. He's from Chicago and his mom loves MJ. We don't need to double pay (in prospects/picks and $$) to impress Davis.


A team that wins 50-60 games is a lot more attractive than a team that win 40-50 games, believe that
Dude his mom literally cried when Charlotte didn't win the #1 pick. And I'd rather have young, hungry team ready for the next big star. We're in position to attract Lance and he's a top 5 SG. He's there for $$ alone.


OK, so the Hornets fill their team up with a bunch of players on rookie contracts...What happens when/if they all live up to their potential and they need a contract extension? Do Charlotte go over the luxury tax to keep them together or do they have to let them walk? See, you have to see the full picture. Adding above serviceable veterans on short contracts to get over the threshold isn't a bad thing
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#615 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:08 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
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A team that wins 50-60 games is a lot more attractive than a team that win 40-50 games, believe that
Dude his mom literally cried when Charlotte didn't win the #1 pick. And I'd rather have young, hungry team ready for the next big star. We're in position to attract Lance and he's a top 5 SG. He's there for $$ alone.


OK, so the Hornets fill their team up with a bunch of players on rookie contracts...What happens when/if they all live up to their potential...?


Good problem to have, like too much pitching in baseball. Oh, no, what do we do. All these other teams are short pitchers and we have too many. Darn.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#616 » by JDR720 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:10 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
A team that wins 50-60 games is a lot more attractive than a team that win 40-50 games, believe that
Dude his mom literally cried when Charlotte didn't win the #1 pick. And I'd rather have young, hungry team ready for the next big star. We're in position to attract Lance and he's a top 5 SG. He's there for $$ alone.


OK, so the Hornets fill their team up with a bunch of players on rookie contracts...What happens when/if they all live up to their potential...?

you figure out which ones you want to keep the most and trade the others for more assets
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#617 » by TheKingofSting2 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:17 am

Snidely FC wrote:I'm disappointed to see BKN-CLE discussing a Marcus Thornton-Jarrett Jack trade.
I was hoping we could trade Hendo to CLE for Jack.


For whatever reason Jack never panned out in Cleveland.
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Post#618 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:34 am

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Snidely FC wrote:I'm disappointed to see BKN-CLE discussing a Marcus Thornton-Jarrett Jack trade.
I was hoping we could trade Hendo to CLE for Jack.


For whatever reason Jack never panned out in Cleveland.


I can tell you the reason. That team had horrible chemistry, didn't compliment each other talent-wise, didn't get along with each other on or off the court, and it pretty much carried over into their in-game performance. 'Almost' every player on that roster regressed into a lesser player from Kyrie, Deng, to Jack last season
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#619 » by TheKingofSting2 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:06 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
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Snidely FC wrote:I'm disappointed to see BKN-CLE discussing a Marcus Thornton-Jarrett Jack trade.
I was hoping we could trade Hendo to CLE for Jack.


For whatever reason Jack never panned out in Cleveland.


I can tell you the reason. That team had horrible chemistry, didn't compliment each other talent-wise, didn't get along with each other on or off the court, and it pretty much carried over into their in-game performance. 'Almost' every player on that roster regressed into a lesser player from Kyrie, Deng, to Jack last season


Would you trade 9 + Hendo or 9 +24 for Thompson?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#620 » by mrknowitall215 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:26 am

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mrknowitall215 wrote:
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For whatever reason Jack never panned out in Cleveland.


I can tell you the reason. That team had horrible chemistry, didn't compliment each other talent-wise, didn't get along with each other on or off the court, and it pretty much carried over into their in-game performance. 'Almost' every player on that roster regressed into a lesser player from Kyrie, Deng, to Jack last season


Would you trade 9 + Hendo or 9 +24 for Thompson?


Klay Thompson or Tristan Thompson?

I would trade #9 + Henderson for Klay Thompson, but not #9 + #24

The reason why I would trade #9 + Henderson for Klay is because it instantly give us a proven shooting guard that could do what we need while getting rid of Henderson's contract to pursue bigger fish via free-agency for bench depth that is sorely needed

The reason why I wouldn't trade 9 +24 for Klay is because I believe that a solid rotational player on a cheap rookie contract that could eventually be a starter can be selected at #24, all the while I wouldn't want to tie up too much money in a logjam wing position with Henderson & the inevitable contract extension of Klay. However, if Cho insist on drafting Gary Harris, then I would be down for trading #9 + #24 for Klay, because at least it wouldn't be a wasted asset while keeping Henderson on the roster like it would if Harris was picked

If we're talking Tristan Thompson, I'm not that interested in him, but I would trade Henderson + 24 for him
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