ImageImage

Eye of the Tiger: The Tidjane Salaun Thread

Moderators: yosemiteben, fatlever, JDR720, Diop, BigSlam

GiggitySmalls
Veteran
Posts: 2,544
And1: 1,398
Joined: Mar 21, 2017
       

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#81 » by GiggitySmalls » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:36 am

GoBobs wrote:Reed Sheppard 955 total minutes - 23 blks

Salaun 748 minutes - 8 blks

You can't teach BBIQ. This dude is trash. If you don't know now you will know after summer league.

Fire Peterson
Draft grade Z- 4 years away from being 4 years away.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
JMAC3
RealGM
Posts: 13,325
And1: 6,293
Joined: May 22, 2010
     

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#82 » by JMAC3 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:42 am

MugzZo wrote: So we wait 4 years to see when he's 22 and putting up 12 and 7 a game and sign him to 30 mil a year or more when the cap goes up.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app


Salaun was already playing 22 mpg in one of the better leagues in the world.
His stats are from blistering, but that isn't how Europe works.
They don't just force feed mins to young players when they play in the best leagues.
That is what Div 2 and under 21 leagues are for.

Hence why I was toting Topic as a potential stud because he was putting up massive stats at 18.

As somebody already pointed out, Salaun shot more 3s per36 than Sheppard did this year.

Sarr played 18 mpg in a far worse league.
Risacher was playing 23 mpg.
User avatar
Diop
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 40,646
And1: 20,953
Joined: Jul 24, 2004
Location: Diop Dead Ugly
 

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#83 » by Diop » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:49 am

I'm choosing to go positive, they got the dude they wanted and hopefully he pans out.
im sure they know more about him than i do
Image
Bassman
Head Coach
Posts: 6,083
And1: 2,114
Joined: Jul 02, 2006
Location: Bye FL back to MO; NC born & bred
       

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#84 » by Bassman » Thu Jun 27, 2024 4:50 am

Watched video of Peterson presser. He scouted this guy over in Europe, got to know him. Said Salaun was very high on their draft board. I think he might have been just below their top target. Sounded like he isn’t making any presumptions on minutes, time in Greensboro verses with the Hornets, etc. it’s a love story for sure.
I continue to wait...and hope...for the return to Hornet's glory.
GiggitySmalls
Veteran
Posts: 2,544
And1: 1,398
Joined: Mar 21, 2017
       

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#85 » by GiggitySmalls » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:01 am

JMAC3 wrote:
MugzZo wrote: So we wait 4 years to see when he's 22 and putting up 12 and 7 a game and sign him to 30 mil a year or more when the cap goes up.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app


Salaun was already playing 22 mpg in one of the better leagues in the world.
His stats are from blistering, but that isn't how Europe works.
They don't just force feed mins to young players when they play in the best leagues.
That is what Div 2 and under 21 leagues are for.

Hence why I was toting Topic as a potential stud because he was putting up massive stats at 18.

As somebody already pointed out, Salaun shot more 3s per36 than Sheppard did this year.

Sarr played 18 mpg in a far worse league.
Risacher was playing 23 mpg.
I'll take all the hope I can get. I have had a life altering past 3 months in real life. It's hard to root for this team. I had hope for tonight and was looking forward to it so much, even in a weak draft. It's one if not many things I feel I have left at this point. I was hopeful with a new front office and new coach, we would be better, even slightly. Tonight really crushed a lot of hopes I've had since November, and college ball started to looking to this point ect... as the draft and nba offeseason are very high points for me in the past 2 and half decades, while watching before that, but still not old enough to know who's actually an nba prospect. What I do know is this same guy is pick 20 to 27 in alot of drafts if given the same skill set. Maybe some Years lower. Damn I hope I'm wrong. I just hope we have an idea as a team because it really doesn't look like it.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
KingCat
Starter
Posts: 2,312
And1: 1,218
Joined: Jan 29, 2012
   

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#86 » by KingCat » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:08 am

MugzZo wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
MugzZo wrote: So we wait 4 years to see when he's 22 and putting up 12 and 7 a game and sign him to 30 mil a year or more when the cap goes up.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app


Salaun was already playing 22 mpg in one of the better leagues in the world.
His stats are from blistering, but that isn't how Europe works.
They don't just force feed mins to young players when they play in the best leagues.
That is what Div 2 and under 21 leagues are for.

Hence why I was toting Topic as a potential stud because he was putting up massive stats at 18.

As somebody already pointed out, Salaun shot more 3s per36 than Sheppard did this year.

Sarr played 18 mpg in a far worse league.
Risacher was playing 23 mpg.
I'll take all the hope I can get. I have had a life altering past 3 months in real life. It's hard to root for this team. I had hope for tonight and was looking forward to it so much, even in a weak draft. It's one if not many things I feel I have left at this point. I was hopeful with a new front office and new coach, we would be better, even slightly. Tonight really crushed a lot of hopes I've had since November, and college ball started to looking to this point ect... as the draft and nba offeseason are very high points for me in the past 2 and half decades, while watching before that, but still not old enough to know who's actually an nba prospect. What I do know is this same guy is pick 20 to 27 in alot of drafts if given the same skill set. Maybe some Years lower. Damn I hope I'm wrong. I just hope we have an idea as a team because it really doesn't look like it.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app


Hey man, sorry to hear about the last few months, but remember to not let your ball team that you have no personal control over affect your mental life.

This fanbase has had some hard times and hard times are still to come, but I still am genuinely excited. I think for the first time since the early 2000s, we have a strong young base that we can build around and make a winner out of. It's just gonna take some time.
Your Charlotte Hornets! We’ll eventually get something right;right?
User avatar
Liver_Pooty
RealGM
Posts: 40,966
And1: 16,988
Joined: Dec 29, 2008
Location: Asheville, NC
   

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#87 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Jun 27, 2024 5:11 am

MugzZo wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
MugzZo wrote: So we wait 4 years to see when he's 22 and putting up 12 and 7 a game and sign him to 30 mil a year or more when the cap goes up.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app


Salaun was already playing 22 mpg in one of the better leagues in the world.
His stats are from blistering, but that isn't how Europe works.
They don't just force feed mins to young players when they play in the best leagues.
That is what Div 2 and under 21 leagues are for.

Hence why I was toting Topic as a potential stud because he was putting up massive stats at 18.

As somebody already pointed out, Salaun shot more 3s per36 than Sheppard did this year.

Sarr played 18 mpg in a far worse league.
Risacher was playing 23 mpg.
I'll take all the hope I can get. I have had a life altering past 3 months in real life. It's hard to root for this team. I had hope for tonight and was looking forward to it so much, even in a weak draft. It's one if not many things I feel I have left at this point. I was hopeful with a new front office and new coach, we would be better, even slightly. Tonight really crushed a lot of hopes I've had since November, and college ball started to looking to this point ect... as the draft and nba offeseason are very high points for me in the past 2 and half decades, while watching before that, but still not old enough to know who's actually an nba prospect. What I do know is this same guy is pick 20 to 27 in alot of drafts if given the same skill set. Maybe some Years lower. Damn I hope I'm wrong. I just hope we have an idea as a team because it really doesn't look like it.

Sent from my SM-F936U using RealGM mobile app


Hey man. **** this draft. I'm warming up to the pick but if you ever, ever need someone to talk to PM me. I'll give you my number and we can text talk meet up whatever. I've been through a lot myself. Message me.
Balllin wrote:Zion Williamson is 6-5, with a 6-10 wingspan. I see him as a slightly better Kenneth Faried.
wilson115
Starter
Posts: 2,450
And1: 1,637
Joined: Aug 21, 2020
 

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#88 » by wilson115 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 8:58 am

Read on Twitter


Got asked if he'd call Tidjane a project

Read on Twitter
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 44,300
And1: 45,935
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#89 » by JDR720 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 9:29 am

If Peterson (or anyone in the new front office) had a good draft record, I'd feel better.

But this guy feels like Ousmanne Dieng or whoever the dude OKC drafted a couple years ago. He averaged 9pts... 37% shooting in France. That's bad.
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 44,300
And1: 45,935
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#90 » by JDR720 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:00 am

He has the tools to be a good all-around player. Maybe something like Porter Jr. in a few years.

Irritated that we picked a project like that, but at least Reed/Castle/Holland all were off the board.

Buzelis doesn't have any standout skills. I guess we think Mark is healthy because no Clingan either. Knecht fell like a rock.

So I guess overall.... I'll give it a C+. Mostly because why the heck not. Not like the guys we passed on (besides maybe Clingan) have much upside either.
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 44,300
And1: 45,935
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#91 » by JDR720 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:20 am

Watching the video GoBobs posted makes me feel worse. D+

This guy has no idea how to play basketball. French Kai? Except he isn't nearly as athletic as Kai.

Just a headless chicken hustling like crazy, and being burnt because he doesn't know what he's doing.
User avatar
MPM
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,364
And1: 3,917
Joined: Mar 21, 2009
Location: Mouse Town
     

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#92 » by MPM » Thu Jun 27, 2024 10:53 am

If you look at my big board, my realistic top 3 were Topic, Holland, and Salaun, so good with the pick. Do I think he was picked too early? Yes. Was shocked to see us take him straight up at 6. Assumed a selection of Salaun would be a trade down and I do share many of the same concerns as others about his (current) shortcomings, but in this draft I wanted big swing for big upside and that’s what we did. He is likely the highest upside player in the draft that was showing real improvement across the year in a tough league.
Robot Rock
Starter
Posts: 2,387
And1: 1,119
Joined: Jan 21, 2013
Location: The 704
 

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#93 » by Robot Rock » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:01 am

Was it an admirable big swing for the fences, or was it just another mind-numbingly stupid decision by the franchise whose biggest rival is its own braintrust? The Spurs could afford to do it because they’re set. This team is…not that. You gotta sell us on hope and this selection, YMMV, gave me the early vibe that Jeff Peterson’s the Tidjane Salaun of GMs. Regardless, he’s here for another couple seasons either way. We can hope he learns from this.
User avatar
JDR720
Forum Mod - Hornets
Forum Mod - Hornets
Posts: 44,300
And1: 45,935
Joined: Jul 09, 2013
     

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#94 » by JDR720 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:02 am

Read on Twitter
User avatar
luciano-davidwesley
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 8,013
And1: 2,734
Joined: Aug 03, 2002
Location: Gold Coast
Contact:
   

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#95 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:04 am

Not much was left at 6 that I would have been excited with other than Topic so I'm not too devastated. I'm not too excited by the pick either for what its worth. Kai was a "gym rat" too no? That doesn't mean too much if you can't process the game at a high level.

I give the pick a C because at least we took a swing rather than settling for a super meh guy like Knecht.
User avatar
SWedd523
RealGM
Posts: 13,575
And1: 6,517
Joined: Jul 07, 2009
   

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#96 » by SWedd523 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:10 am

Braggins wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:There was a guy out of .. Kansas I think? awhile back that looks just like this guy

Are you thinking of Kevin Knox from Kentucky?

Yes!

Let's hope Black Dalton is better though
Image
User avatar
SWedd523
RealGM
Posts: 13,575
And1: 6,517
Joined: Jul 07, 2009
   

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#97 » by SWedd523 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:19 am

I don't know anything about this guy. Didn't watch any film. Didn't do any research. I can't realistically give an opinion on the pick.

I assume everyone who feels so strongly one way or the other definitely spent a fair amount of time looking into him so I'll defer for now.

He seems to be one year away from one year away, so I would argue that I value Topic higher since this generally signals a punt on next season.

However, maybe Topic's medicals look worse than the public knows, maybe they think Miles is gone so they wanted some insurance, and maybe Mark still has a functioning skeletal structure. All information none of us are privy to.

At the end of the day, nobody gives a **** about the Hornets anyway. None of the ESPN crew even remember who we picked and they spent more time talking about Dillingham's jacket than doing coverage.

Only thing that changes that is winning. I wish Baby Dominic McGuire the best of luck
Image
Robot Rock
Starter
Posts: 2,387
And1: 1,119
Joined: Jan 21, 2013
Location: The 704
 

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#98 » by Robot Rock » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:20 am

luciano-davidwesley wrote:Not much was left at 6 that I would have been excited with other than Topic so I'm not too devastated. I'm not too excited by the pick either for what its worth. Kai was a "gym rat" too no? That doesn't mean too much if you can't process the game at a high level.

I give the pick a C because at least we took a swing rather than settling for a super meh guy like Knecht.


Knecht’s ceiling is higher than Hervé Haston’s, but he wasn’t someone I wanted, either. Knecht was not a good fit here.

I’d like to not get out-rebounded 54-29 every spring, and a center was right there for the taking, but we Hornets’d it up.

The way I see it, Salaun averages 0.4ppg/0.6rpg in 16 NBA games and 30ish minutes, or if he overachieves it’s something like 1.1ppg/1.4rpg in 33 games and 50ish minutes. There’s no way this guy sees the court for more than 100 minutes this season unless Lee is forced to do so, because he’s four years from having an NBA body and potentially even longer away from having an NBA skill.

The scouting report just reads like a guy I could talk myself into at 42. Not 6. But the Boy King loves him, and we gotta root for him to overachieve, don’t we?
wilson115
Starter
Posts: 2,450
And1: 1,637
Joined: Aug 21, 2020
 

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#99 » by wilson115 » Thu Jun 27, 2024 11:32 am

The Spurs stans really talked him up if it means anything.

Read on Twitter
User avatar
luciano-davidwesley
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 8,013
And1: 2,734
Joined: Aug 03, 2002
Location: Gold Coast
Contact:
   

Re: TayJohn Salon?: The Tidjane Salaun Thread 

Post#100 » by luciano-davidwesley » Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:09 pm

Watching Hoops Intellect's scouting report is a bit concerning. He has a high release and a nice high arc on his jumper but his base and catch are all over the place.

I don't want to be too harsh on an 18 year old but he's Bambi on ice when handling the ball in transition.

He's not going to get much burn with the top team next season, that's for sure.

The less bouncy but better defending Obi Toppin player comp is hardly a ringing endorsement either.

Return to Charlotte Hornets