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amcoolio wrote:I really don't get spending money just because you have the space. Teams would much rather trade their disgruntled star for pure cap space/trade exemption than take back contracts. Rozier isn't netting us anything in trade nor is he an asset just because we had the money and gave him a contract. Are you really making that argument for Terry? Because PJ will be the same if we give him a long term deal. It's time we think proactively and not continue to be one of the worst ran franchises in all of professional sports.

MPM wrote:Hart signing a 20mm+ per year contract pushing that new norm up for solid bench role players.

Consider that a win for PJ's camp - "look at Hart!"

SWedd523 wrote:PJ taking the QO is a bigger risk to PJ than the Hornets.

amcoolio wrote:Hart is a much better player than PJ and exactly what we needed next to LaMelo but we went the Rozier route. I’d trade anyone besides LaMelo, Mark, Miller for him. Harts value goes beyond statsheet.

Rich4114 wrote:Hart would've been great on this team and also a starter. Our SG situation is pretty weak.

JMAC3 wrote:

Rich4114 wrote:Hart would've been great on this team and also a starter. Our SG situation is pretty weak.

He has been traded 3 times in his career.
1. For AD.
2. For CJ McCollum.
3. For a first and a former lottery pick.

Guys like him aren't cheap. That is why I asked, last year at trade deadline would you have been okay moving PJ and a 2025 first for him?

If not, we probably weren't getting him. nor do we have a top 10 player to trade for a slew of players/picks or an allstar guard like CJ we are able to deal.

amcoolio wrote:We dealt firsts for Kai Jones and Nick Smith Jr. So yes, I would make that trade. And a Charlotte first is insanely valuable, we could have had Hart for a single first. We should have traded 11 (Bouknight) for him. The Kai Jones and 13th for Den 1st trades were insanely stupid.

Rich4114 wrote:

amcoolio wrote:We dealt firsts for Kai Jones and Nick Smith Jr. So yes, I would make that trade. And a Charlotte first is insanely valuable, we could have had Hart for a single first. We should have traded 11 (Bouknight) for him. The Kai Jones and 13th for Den 1st trades were insanely stupid.

Excellent points. If we traded any of those for Hart it would've been a huge W

JMAC3 wrote:https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2023/08/do-cavs-need-another-point-guard-given-the-uncertain-ricky-rubio-situation-hey-chris.html

"Hey, Chris: How likely is a P.J. Washington sign-and-trade? What would the Cavs need to give up? -- Cavs fans everywhere

Hey, Cavs fans: Let’s start here: Sources say the 24-year-old Washington, who is a restricted free agent, is hoping for a contract around $20 million annually. The Hornets have reportedly been unwilling to give Washington the long-term contract he is seeking, and the two sides are currently in a contract stalemate. If a financial deal can’t be reached, with Charlotte unwilling to budge on its stance or Washington agreeing to a shorter deal for less money, the Hornets’ options aren’t very appealing.

Washington could sign the qualifying offer, play out the year and then Charlotte risks losing him as an unrestricted free agent next summer -- the path Washington’s teammate Miles Bridges is taking. The Hornets could also work out a sign-and-trade.


A few years ago, restricted free agent forward Lauri Markkanen was in a similar situation, stuck in contract limbo with the offseason coming to an end. The Bulls weren’t willing to pay him. The Cavs were. The two teams brought in Portland as a trade conduit, finalizing a three-team deal that ultimately cost fan favorite Larry Nance Jr.

Could the Cavs pull off a similar coup?

Sources say even though Cleveland has expressed interest in acquiring Washington, and there’s a belief it is lurking, there haven’t been any extensive, detailed or meaningful trade discussions with Charlotte at this point.

Typically teams that complete sign-and-trades don’t get bulky return packages and it’s unclear what Charlotte would want. All-Star center Jarrett Allen is an obvious fit for a variety of reasons. But the Cavs have rebuffed offers for Allen throughout the offseason and it’s hard to see them viewing Washington as an appreciable upgrade, the kind of deal that would make Cleveland change its stance.

If Washington would be willing to take less money -- a contract in the same range as Markkanen’s $15-million-per-year number in 2021 -- the salaries of Dean Wade and Rubio would theoretically work financially. Toss in some second-round picks as sweeteners and there’s an alternate trade framework. But would it satisfy Charlotte?"

JMAC3 wrote:If PJ takes the 8.4 million QO over a 4/60 from Hornets (hypothetical).

He will need to make 17.5+ million per year for that deal to make sense.
Which is more likely after this year?

He balls out on QO and gets multiple teams chasing him for 20+ million or they see him come off the bench for 40+ games on a fringe playoff team and give him a MLE offer?

Pretty much a 0% chance he gets over 25 million, but maybe a 20% he only gets offers in the 6-8 million range next offseason to me.

The QO just seems to have way more downside than upside for him.

All this is assuming he stays healthy too, which is usually a big reason to take the guarantees