Describing SGA as a foul merchant seems extremely disingenuous.

[cupcakesnake]

Is 14 free throws a game that unique to Shai? Harden never got that many? Luka never got that many? Jordan? Embiid? Kobe?

Historically, Shai isn't in the upper echelon of free throw attempters. He's 26th all time in attempts per 100 possessions, in a tier with guys like Lebron, Shawn Kemp, Jimmy Butle, and Kevin Durant at around 10 per 100.

Shai could climb the list with a bunch more prime seasons at his current rate (12 per 100). The biggest free throw getters average 12+ for their whole careers, and have prime seasons where they hit 17-20.

In terms of guards, guys like Harden, Luka, Iverson, MJ, Wade, Kobe, and Trae are all above Shai. I think Shai will likely climb in into the top 15, but is unlikely to crack the truly elite group (Embiid, Shaq, Giannis, and of course Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette).

I wonder how Maggette would be viewed in this current era. A career 47.9 eFG% paired with a 57.7 TS% is a pretty crazy stat.

He was SUCH a specialist, so I don't think era changes much. Had Maggette been piling up free throws for playoff teams, we'd have regarded him differently, but he had the misfortune on playing his whole career with the Clipper in their curse era, and then joined the Warriors after they stopped being a playoff team.

This guy was an athletic, efficient scorer, who could sort of guard 3 positions. He was a total zero as a passer, and was a long 2 specialist when he wasn't getting to the line. I heard someone on a podcast (maybe John Hollinger?) compare him to Jonathan Kuminga, and thought that sort of fit.

[PushDaRock]

Historically, Shai isn't in the upper echelon of free throw attempters. He's 26th all time in attempts per 100 possessions, in a tier with guys like Lebron, Shawn Kemp, Jimmy Butle, and Kevin Durant at around 10 per 100.

Shai could climb the list with a bunch more prime seasons at his current rate (12 per 100). The biggest free throw getters average 12+ for their whole careers, and have prime seasons where they hit 17-20.

In terms of guards, guys like Harden, Luka, Iverson, MJ, Wade, Kobe, and Trae are all above Shai. I think Shai will likely climb in into the top 15, but is unlikely to crack the truly elite group (Embiid, Shaq, Giannis, and of course Corey "Bad Porn" Maggette).

I wonder how Maggette would be viewed in this current era. A career 47.9 eFG% paired with a 57.7 TS% is a pretty crazy stat.

He was SUCH a specialist, so I don't think era changes much. Had Maggette been piling up free throws for playoff teams, we'd have regarded him differently, but he had the misfortune on playing his whole career with the Clipper in their curse era, and then joined the Warriors after they stopped being a playoff team.

This guy was an athletic, efficient scorer, who could sort of guard 3 positions. He was a total zero as a passer, and was a long 2 specialist when he wasn't getting to the line. I heard someone on a podcast (maybe John Hollinger?) compare him to Jonathan Kuminga, and thought that sort of fit.

I ask the question because I think it's likely some playoff teams would have tried to get him for his elite FTR given what we know now about efficient offense.

I would also figure he would shoot the 3 a bit better coming up in this era with more of an emphasis on the importance of the 3 ball.

[SportsInfoBar]

I’m not liking how they try to paint SGA to be like harden (shooting layups under his opponents arms).

SGA is extremely slippery, has insanely good footwork, and has really good ball handling. The way nba rules are designed benefits the offense since the defense can’t really be physical with the offense. SGA is super crafty and his skill makes it next to impossible to stay in front of him. If you decide to continue to pursue him while out of position, you deserve the foul call.

I can’t speak on the reg season cause I didn’t watch okc much but SGA is a BEAST on offense.

It is not about slipper and footwork, he is a really good player for sure. The main issue is he SHOVES off on 80% of his shots. So once he shoves to create the space, if the defender tries to get close, it is an auto foul. So defenders have to get shoved and still stay in to defend without breathing on him. And some player flop because they are actually being fouled and the refs are not calling it. He crashes to the ground with minimal/no contact and gets the call.

It is not about the # of free throws he gets, it is the fact the refs have made players scared to actually guard him, which leads to way more open looks.

I find him painful to watch personally, even though I know he is a great player overall FYI I am not watching the conf finals. My kids are hoops junkies and are not watching either. The league has to get the flopping removed from the game-both offense and defense. And be consistent on what an illegal screen is. I watched so many players actually extend and shove with their hands and no call, others the defender runs into a knee barely and the whistle blows. Insane.

[walk with me]

I’m not liking how they try to paint SGA to be like harden (shooting layups under his opponents arms).

SGA is extremely slippery, has insanely good footwork, and has really good ball handling. The way nba rules are designed benefits the offense since the defense can’t really be physical with the offense. SGA is super crafty and his skill makes it next to impossible to stay in front of him. If you decide to continue to pursue him while out of position, you deserve the foul call.

I can’t speak on the reg season cause I didn’t watch okc much but SGA is a BEAST on offense.

It is not about slipper and footwork, he is a really good player for sure. The main issue is he SHOVES off on 80% of his shots. So once he shoves to create the space, if the defender tries to get close, it is an auto foul. So defenders have to get shoved and still stay in to defend without breathing on him. And some player flop because they are actually being fouled and the refs are not calling it. He crashes to the ground with minimal/no contact and gets the call.

It is not about the # of free throws he gets, it is the fact the refs have made players scared to actually guard him, which leads to way more open looks.

I find him painful to watch personally, even though I know he is a great player overall FYI I am not watching the conf finals. My kids are hoops junkies and are not watching either. The league has to get the flopping removed from the game-both offense and defense. And be consistent on what an illegal screen is. I watched so many players actually extend and shove with their hands and no call, others the defender runs into a knee barely and the whistle blows. Insane.

I’m certain you don’t watch him that much if that’s your perception of his game

[OkcSinceSGA]

I’m not liking how they try to paint SGA to be like harden (shooting layups under his opponents arms).

SGA is extremely slippery, has insanely good footwork, and has really good ball handling. The way nba rules are designed benefits the offense since the defense can’t really be physical with the offense. SGA is super crafty and his skill makes it next to impossible to stay in front of him. If you decide to continue to pursue him while out of position, you deserve the foul call.

I can’t speak on the reg season cause I didn’t watch okc much but SGA is a BEAST on offense.

It is not about slipper and footwork, he is a really good player for sure. The main issue is he SHOVES off on 80% of his shots. So once he shoves to create the space, if the defender tries to get close, it is an auto foul. So defenders have to get shoved and still stay in to defend without breathing on him. And some player flop because they are actually being fouled and the refs are not calling it. He crashes to the ground with minimal/no contact and gets the call.

It is not about the # of free throws he gets, it is the fact the refs have made players scared to actually guard him, which leads to way more open looks.

I find him painful to watch personally, even though I know he is a great player overall FYI I am not watching the conf finals. My kids are hoops junkies and are not watching either. The league has to get the flopping removed from the game-both offense and defense. And be consistent on what an illegal screen is. I watched so many players actually extend and shove with their hands and no call, others the defender runs into a knee barely and the whistle blows. Insane.

Translation: a 185 lbs guy is bullying all these wings and bigs driving.

[SportsInfoBar]

OKC fans are just dumb I guess.

I dont care how much someone weighs, if they are moving backwards and you then shove them their momentum will continue to go backwards. I have watched plenty of OKC games to see this happen over and over and over. *Shai is not the only one, Tatum is a big offender of this also.

That being said, I am out, won't be back to see the replies. I don't care enough about the NBA anymore.

[durden_tyler]

Bumping this because this will be the NBA Finals narrative again. Poor SGA really because he’s not as unlikable as Harden and Embiid (the masters of being FT merchants)


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[LakerLegend]

You breath on this guy and the refs are sending him to the line.