Why do teams sign these washed up guys midseason?

[Hurons]

like Ben Wallace?

[leevii]

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Yes, we would love to have Arroyo.

Is it that you have never read a sarcastic comment in your lifetime?

[G-Heel]

Sam Cassell would be the Magic's best point guard.

Sad but true.

[Texas Longhorns]

Mainly it for veteran leadership. They need someone to talk and provide energy through words.

[Roxflynorth]

I don't understand it.

Why does Boston need PJ Brown and Sam Cassell?

If I were a celtics fan i'd rather see Perkins/Davis/Powe play than PJ brown.

Cassell is a washed up alien. How is he any better than Eddie House? They are both chuckers, atleast House knows his role whereas CAssell still thinks it's 1997.

Detroit signing Ratliff? WHY?? They have sheed, dice, Maxiell and Johnson. Some will say it's for depth...you don't need an injury prone washed up big!

and all the commotion over Brent Barry? Give me a F****** break. None of these players are difference makers, they are cheap ringers, nothing more.

This reminds me when people got all excited about signing Shandon Anderson, or Howard Eisley or even Derek Anderson...DEREK F****** ANDERSON!!

I'll sign all the guys you mention anytime anywhere than Smush Parker.

[leevii]

Hey MagicFan32, as many pointed out, Cassell would be Magic's best PG, Brent Barry would be Magic's best SG, and PJ or Ratliff would be Magic's second best bigmen.

[chrbal]

I don't understand it.

Why does Boston need PJ Brown and Sam Cassell?

If I were a celtics fan i'd rather see Perkins/Davis/Powe play than PJ brown.

Cassell is a washed up alien. How is he any better than Eddie House? They are both chuckers, atleast House knows his role whereas CAssell still thinks it's 1997.

Detroit signing Ratliff? WHY?? They have sheed, dice, Maxiell and Johnson. Some will say it's for depth...you don't need an injury prone washed up big!

and all the commotion over Brent Barry? Give me a F****** break. None of these players are difference makers, they are cheap ringers, nothing more.

This reminds me when people got all excited about signing Shandon Anderson, or Howard Eisley or even Derek Anderson...DEREK F****** ANDERSON!!

Pistons need Ratliff because Samb isn't ready.

Celtics need Sam because House/Rondo get abused defensively by taller Pgs.

Barry, teams shooters.

[GJense4181]

When/If the Celtics sign Cassell they'll have the deepest most versatile roster in the whole of the NBA.

The Detroit Pistons say "um, no."

PG/SG Chauncey Billups. Doesn't play off-ball anymore, but was drafted as a combo guard.
SG/SF Richard Hamilton
PG/SG/SF/PF Tayshaun Prince. Yes, he has the ability to play point-forward and defend point-guards. Was a PF in college.
PF/C Antonio McDyess. If he had all of his athleticism, I'd be tempted to play him at SF for stretches, with that new-found jumpshot of his.
SF/PF/C Rasheed Wallace. Offensively, his game is so well-rounded that he can play any front-court position, on the low-block or out to the three-point line. Before Portland traded him to ATL (and then to Detroit), he played the 3.
PG/SG/SF Rodney Stuckey. Tall enough to play at the 3 in small line-ups, which I believe has happened while with the Pistons.
PG/SG/SF Arron Afflalo. Played PG quite a bit while at UCLA. Hasn't had to in the NBA,
SG/SF/PF Walter Herman. Can shoot the lights out, handle, and pass like a guard, but can defend bigmen (Dirk).
SF/PF/C Amir Johnson. Was drafted as a tweener F, then gained 15 pounds and grew two inches, now scores the bulk of his points in the paint and C when in the NBDL.
SF/PF/C Jason Maxiell. After he lost 20-30 pounds this off-season we were calling for him to play SF for stretches against the likes of Artest and Lebron. We haven't seen him there, but he'd be able to hold his own.
PG/SG Juan Dixon
PG/SG Lindsey Hunter
PF/C Cheikh Samb

and soon to be, PF/C Theo Ratliff.

You were saying?

[GJense4181]

and, like has been said:
The acquisition of Theo Ratliff allows his whole career to come full-circle. He is both a better player than Primoz Brezec and a better fit for the Pistons. Amir Johnson is a good rebounder but a bad defender (albeit a good shot-blocker), Jason Maxiell is a poor rebounder (on the defensive end) and a defender that is easily abused by taller players, Rasheed Wallace is not a pure C to begin with, and Antonio McDyess is undersized.
Theo Ratiff provides shot-blocking, height, and a veteran's understanding of his role. He's Cheikh Samb fast-forwarded 8 years into the future.

[celticfan42487]

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Psssh, I'll type more walls of text then that on every player. Hell I can type more just about Scalabrine's off-court assitance to the team then your thesis. So, there!

[Chubby Chaser]

The name Shaq comes to mind.

[humblebum]

When/If the Celtics sign Cassell they'll have the deepest most versatile roster in the whole of the NBA.

The Detroit Pistons say "um, no."

PG/SG Chauncey Billups. Doesn't play off-ball anymore, but was drafted as a combo guard.
SG/SF Richard Hamilton
PG/SG/SF/PF Tayshaun Prince. Yes, he has the ability to play point-forward and defend point-guards. Was a PF in college.
PF/C Antonio McDyess. If he had all of his athleticism, I'd be tempted to play him at SF for stretches, with that new-found jumpshot of his.
SF/PF/C Rasheed Wallace. Offensively, his game is so well-rounded that he can play any front-court position, on the low-block or out to the three-point line. Before Portland traded him to ATL (and then to Detroit), he played the 3.
PG/SG/SF Rodney Stuckey. Tall enough to play at the 3 in small line-ups, which I believe has happened while with the Pistons.
PG/SG/SF Arron Afflalo. Played PG quite a bit while at UCLA. Hasn't had to in the NBA,
SG/SF/PF Walter Herman. Can shoot the lights out, handle, and pass like a guard, but can defend bigmen (Dirk).
SF/PF/C Amir Johnson. Was drafted as a tweener F, then gained 15 pounds and grew two inches, now scores the bulk of his points in the paint and C when in the NBDL.
SF/PF/C Jason Maxiell. After he lost 20-30 pounds this off-season we were calling for him to play SF for stretches against the likes of Artest and Lebron. We haven't seen him there, but he'd be able to hold his own.
PG/SG Juan Dixon
PG/SG Lindsey Hunter
PF/C Cheikh Samb

and soon to be, PF/C Theo Ratliff.

You were saying?

Ugh, this post is horrible.

Rip is a straight up SG. Prince is a SF-PF with solid ball handling ability. Rasheed is a PF who's forced to play C because the Pistons don't have a true C, same for Mcdyess. Stuckey a SF? Afflalo a PG? Hermann, Samb, Dixon, and Amir are basically irrelevant because if they're getting minutes against the C's it's garbage time one way or the other.

The Celtics simply have the players to match every type of player in the league offensively and defensively. The Pistons are basically in the same position but the Celtics have better depth off the bench, which is an amazing development. I'd say that the Pistons have two defensive weaknesses: dealing with Slashing SF's like Pierce and Lebron and dealing with quick slashing PG's a la Rondo and Tony Parker. The C's don't have these holes IMO.

The Celtics can field an all shooting team of Cassell, Ray, Pierce, Posey, KG. A big lineup of Cassell, Ray, Paul, KG, Perkins. An all defense lineup of Rondo, Tony Allen, Pierce, KG, Perk.

[MagicFan32]

Sam Cassell would be the Magic's best point guard.

Too bad he would be injured 90 percent of the time with back spasms, constipation, and other old people problems.

[MagicFan32]

I Think my Magic friend feels threatened and mad that they didn't get Cassell.

Cassell is not washed up..... This guy was till good this season

Brent Barry is not washed up.... Good playmaker, and gives you solid minutes

It's painfully obvious to me RealGM'ers lack reading comprehension.

My point was I don't understand why people get so excited over signing marginal players. ZOMG Dalllas signed LOO, that'll put them over the toppers.

[crackjack]

There's more to basketball than stat sheets. Role players don't even have to score a point to contribute.

[GJense4181]

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Psssh, I'll type more walls of text then that on every player. Hell I can type more just about Scalabrine's off-court assitance to the team then your thesis. So, there!

K.

[GJense4181]

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Ugh, this post is horrible.

Rip is a straight up SG. No, he's not. Any time we've gone with a three-guard line-up, the third wing is Rip. and he has done well defending speedy point guards (Parker, Harris, etc) before. Prince is a SF-PF with solid ball handling ability. A PF, you say? A PF with good handles that shoots 38% from three and defends SGs on a regular basis? Again, no. He has hardly even sniffed playing time in the post while with the Pistons. He guarded Tim Duncan in the Finals for a stretch, but that's because everybody was in foul trouble and Darko wasn't trustworthy. He was, however, largely a shooting guard for his first season. Rasheed is a PF who's forced to play C because the Pistons don't have a true C, same for Mcdyess. Rasheed was forced to play SF in Portland and did well. He's forced to play C here and can. and somehow we've won 43 games with this set-up? Perhaps Wallace is doing a better job at C than you think, which validifies everything I've said. He is a PF that is well-rounded enough to step out to the perimeter or bang in the post, meaning he can play any front-court position. Stuckey a SF? Why not? He's 6'5" and strong. He hasn't, but I don't believe he'd be a huge liability. Afflalo a PG? In college, I believe. Hermann, Samb, Dixon, and Amir are basically irrelevant because if they're getting minutes against the C's it's garbage time one way or the other. Amir is in the rotation as the fourth big. Hermann deserves to steal Hayes' spot, and still might. Dixon could be the backup SG when all is said and done.

The Celtics simply have the players to match every type of player in the league offensively and defensively. False. The Pistons are basically in the same position but the Celtics have better depth off the bench, which is an amazing development. They do? After signing a few ring-whores, maybe. I'm sure the Pistons could have done the same had they decided to abandon this youth movement. I'd say that the Pistons have two defensive weaknesses: dealing with Slashing SF's like Pierce and Lebron Can anybody guard Lebron? and dealing with quick slashing PG's a la Rondo and Tony Parker. The C's don't have these holes IMO. Obviously. The Celtics wouldn't have to defend Pierce. and you think Posey could guard Lebron? Pierce couldn't.

The Celtics can field an all shooting team of Cassell, Ray, Pierce, Posey, KG. A big lineup of Cassell, Ray, Paul, KG, Perkins. An all defense lineup of Rondo, Tony Allen, Pierce, KG, Perk.
Ok, and the Pistons can have Billups, Hamilton, Prince, Hermann, and Wallace. Or Hayes off the bench. Or Dixon, as well as Hunter in the playoffs. They can all shoot from deep.
Big lineup, you say? The Pistons could roll with 6'5" Stuckey/6'7" Hamilton/6'9" Prince/6'11" Wallace/6'10" Ratliff.
All defensive lineup? Again, Billups/Afflalo/Prince/Wallace or McDyess/Ratiff or Wallace. Throw Hermann in there, while you're at it. Maybe even Maxiell, too.