Bob8 wrote:Exp0sed wrote:Bob8 wrote:
Is he Denver's ball handler? In half court offense it takes a pretty big % of possession before the ball even comes to Jokic. The most touches in the league enables Jokic to do what he does.
just like other ball handlers, he shares that duty but to ur question - yes, he is the primary ball handler on the Nuggets
obviously if a guy like Murray grabs a board and is open then he's gonna bring the ball up the court (unless Jokic the floor general dictates to him otherwise, btw) but Jokic is routinely grabbing alot of defensive boards and bringing the ball up the court, even running the break. when rebounds or steals are collected in the backourt by the low i.q bunch, say MPJ or AG they routinely hand the rock over to Jokic to bring the ball up the court
just watch some Nuggets games bro
I said half court offense. I'm pretty sure that Jokic is not main player to bring the ball up the court, like Luka is. Far the most touches in the league for Jokic means that he can be involved nonstop without having big usage.
I told u, those duties are shared. Jokic gets his fair share on getting the inbounds after a made basket. he's now even routinely insisting they roll the ball when they have a lead later in a game (to use the shot clock loophole) and u can routinely see the ball rolled and he's the one that let's it roll and picks it up, sometimes even after it crossed the halfline
in all shapes and forms - Jokic is bringing the ball up the court frequently and guess what? that frequency rises if the other team is say on a run, or in the 4th or a clutch situation - when it matters, he does that more often and obviously lets someone else do it (usually) when they're up big
he uses his frame and wits (and handle) to shield the ball well, rarely gets stripped even by guards and the reason the Nuggets are doing it these past few years and found great success with it is it opens up alot of great opportunities
you can't blitz him or double because he'll pass to the open man under the basket or in the corner every time and at 6'11 can just throw over the top of smaller blitzing player and can also see above them, in a way a 6'2 PG just can't. Magic had that going for him as well
if u don't put a body on him he starts to just go downhill while putting ALOT of pressure on the defense and obviously can pass if they react a certain way and help comes and in any given moment he can make some ridicilous pass, from anywhere on the floor
he's a GOAT level passer (so is Luka, very little differentiates guys at that level, Magic, LBJ, Kidd, whomever u want to put on this list) and Murray, KCP etc. are nowhere near him as passers, so it makes sense for him to have the ball in his hands even in his own half, in the event he sees an opening for a crucial pass, he can attempt (and make) passes Murray or KCP could neither see (in terms of vision) or execute
so yeah, he's the PG and the main ball handler
as for touches, their styles are different
Jokic gets the ball all around the court but obviously mainly thru the PNR, the high post and the block. he probes, if there isn't anything exciting he'll just pass and move without the ball, dictate some action, lurk for a defensive lapse, set a new screen etc
so alot of touches but alot less time per touch
Luka dribbles alot more and has the ball in his hands significantly longer per touch and as his usage rate suggests: the final play comes through him 36% of the time which is about 20% more often than Jokic and it should result (in a vacuum) in alot more pts and assists (while slightly more TO's as well, that's true)
from about 10:00 in this video, you can watch Rondo and S-Jax talking about the "death of the PG" and specifcally mentioning Jokic as a PG (whose not a PG,obviously). I guess they watch the games too
I like what Rondo is saying about the old-school PG's being a kind of extention of the coach on the floor, as far as leadership but also in terms of knowing all the plays, even if the coach gets ejected, the PG can kind of step in to call the plays etc
Jokic checks all those boxes, that's precisely what he's been doing these past few season. he's a floor general who unlike Kidd or Magic is also an elite scorer and is also one of the better rebounders in the game
that's why he's been breaking basketball, a 6'11 strong, bulky and crafty floor general whose also a basketball savant..that has been a recipe for success. even if he can't jump at all, if he could jump he might have been the GOAT lol
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Jokic didn't start out this way but in the last couple of years he's been the Nuggets floor general and imo he is the GOAT floor general, at least in the modern era. better than Magic, Kidd etc. in controliing the game, the tempo of the game and in getting everybody involved.
