Should The Suns Sell High On Kd & Booker if they lose in the 1st round

[dirkules_41]

Best fit for KD would be Dallas.

But Dallas doesn't have the assets to get PHX to bite.

But Dallas will not give up any significant assets for 48 yo KD you mean.

[Wolveswin]

Best fit for KD would be Dallas.

But Dallas doesn't have the assets to get PHX to bite.

Mavs have the assets. Salary filler too (THJ plus 2-3 others and becomes a 4-5 for one - but doable).

Explain your take on “best fit.” KD and Irving paired again? Not sure that is best fit.

Or are you shipping Irving out to accomplish KD in Big D?

[LaLover11]

Best fit for KD would be Dallas.

But Dallas doesn't have the assets to get PHX to bite.

Mavs have the assets. Salary filler too (THJ plus 2-3 others and becomes a 4-5 for one - but doable).

Explain your take on “best fit.” KD and Irving paired again? Not sure that is best fit.

Or are you shipping Irving out to accomplish KD in Big D?

Lakers will join to take Irving and send out Reaves, DLo & whatever filler to make it happen!

Kyrie and KD don't work together

Suns could do a Durant for Paul George trade
Durant will reunite with Harden/Westbrook

[Wolveswin]

KD best landing spot is back home to OKC.

2nd best team in all NBA adding KD. Add in the coming home reunion tour to close his career where it started. Made for movie stuff right there.

More so if KD commits to Presti he will sign-on to stay in OKC at old man retiring deal much more reasonable than his 51M for 24/25. That would happen before Jalen and Chet come off rookie deals AND before SGA gets his massive 50M+ contract himself.

And no, not the crazy OKC offer previously mentioned in this thread (Jalen not involved).

+Giddey (about to get paid and KD taking his starting spot anyway)
+Dieng
+Picks (until Suns say yes)
Maybe Dort involved (doesn’t have to be) or Dort for Allen swap.

Chet
KD
Dort or Jalen
Jalen or Dort
SGA

Plus still have Wallace and deep bench (upgraded with exceptions and draft picks). Plus Presti would still have top3 war chest in all NBA. Sickening really.

[FarBeyondDriven]

trade Nurkic, Allen and Beal at the deadline.

Did Beal's no trade clause get cancelled with the trade to PHX?

I don't know. Moving his contract would be nearly impossible even if he accepted a trade. I imagine the Suns would either have to accept a horrible contract in return or just accept that he'll be their tank commander (which he's proven to be very adept at) or riding the pine while young guys develop kinda like what happened to Wall. If they could find a trade partner I'd think Beal would want to be playing for something rather than on a tanking team. He'll get paid regardless.

[Baz]

Get what you can for KD and keep the faith in Booker leading a rebuild if he wants to stay.

[FarBeyondDriven]

Magic send Black, Howard, 2024 and 2025 1st round picks for Booker

Come on, that is laughable.

Black had a meh rookie season. Howard is easily in bust category. 2024 Magic 1st is already meh #18 in bad draft and 2025 1st from a playoff team adding Booker (so late late 1st). That is maybe 1/2 of what Booker would warrant in trade.

I think you and others vastly overrate Booker. He's really good. But he's basically just a scorer with decent playmaking. He plays no defense and is a crappy leader. He'll be 28 y/o and he is getting $50, $53, $57 and $61 million over the next four years. You have to account for that in trades. Either a team has the cap space to absorb the contract (like ORL) or they need to send back commensurate salary to make it legal. There aren't many teams that have a guy making that amount, that they want to get rid of, and that is someone the Suns would want in return PLUS the first round picks and young talent to make it worth the Suns while.

If the Suns are blowing it up, their main concern should be to get as many rolls of the dice i.e. young talent, draft picks, tradable assets as possible to hope one of them develops into something. I'm not very high on Black and certainly not high on Howard, but they're way too young to be calling busts. They were the 6th and 11th players taken in what others (not me) consider a good draft class. We didn't see them play much but that's because ORL was trying to compete. If they went to the Suns they'd have starting jobs and could develop (or not) but at least they represent talent. You're right, getting middle round picks in 2024 and 2025 isn't sexy. But that's 4 first round talents for an overrated 28 y/o Booker getting paid a ridiculous amount of money.

Would substituting Suggs for Howard and adding Isaac to the deal (can be traded later) help? Or adding another 1st or maybe a couple additional swaps? I'm just spit-balling here. I'd love to hear other realistic destinations. I just thought ORL made a lot of sense because a) it's a warm weather city which I'm sure Booker prefers b) there's no state taxes in FL c) it's in the weaker Eastern Conference so he'd be making all-star easily d) easier road in the playoffs e) they have Wagner and Banchero and he's exactly what they need to become a true contender

[Godymas]

Durant to Thunder for Jalen Williams, and Giddey - a first
Beal for DFS and the ghost of Ben Simmons

Beal has a no trade clause and has to sign off on any deal.

[eyriq]

Absolutely

[Exp0sed]

KD will be 36 by the time next season starts and his resume will show 3 straight first rd exits
they're not getting much in return..

[ChipotleWest]

Suns would have the same problem with Kat
3 offensive stars that won't have a Point Guard

Ya I'm not saying it'll fix them but KAT is at least on the same timeline and should appease their franchise player in Booker as they're former teammates. Their roster is too unbalanced but the issue is Beal and his contract which is virtually untradeable at the moment so they'd have to look elsewhere to shake up the roster. Perhaps trade Nurkic for a forward/pg

Why not just trade Durant/Nurkic for DLo, Austin, Rui, Hayes

Both teams get what they want

Suns get a PG & Beal Backup and Young PF/C
Lakers get their Big 3 with Nurkic to help guard Jokic

DLo has a player option, he can just leave the Lakers if he chooses so he can't really be traded unless he opts in.

[hauntedcomputer]

How come every trade thread turns into "How to give the Lakers another ring for free"?

[WentzerWuver]

Ya I'm not saying it'll fix them but KAT is at least on the same timeline and should appease their franchise player in Booker as they're former teammates. Their roster is too unbalanced but the issue is Beal and his contract which is virtually untradeable at the moment so they'd have to look elsewhere to shake up the roster. Perhaps trade Nurkic for a forward/pg

Why not just trade Durant/Nurkic for DLo, Austin, Rui, Hayes

Both teams get what they want

Suns get a PG & Beal Backup and Young PF/C
Lakers get their Big 3 with Nurkic to help guard Jokic

DLo has a player option, he can just leave the Lakers if he chooses so he can't really be traded unless he opts in.

If he ops out and demand a max, he can go but will try to do a sign and trade. It's a business decision.

[Quattro]

KD will probably demand a trade to OKC or Boston so they won't have to worry about selling high

[Saints14]

I keep wondering if this all goes back to them drafting Jalen Smith over Haliburton.

If they had Haliburton they probably don't resign CP3, or at least don't worry about the window closing when he ages out.

If they don't have to consider Paul's timeline they don't trade everything for Durant.

They'd be sitting with a Booker/Haliburton/Bridges core, maybe Ayton and Johnson as well. That would be pretty damn good

[schnakenpopanz]

I keep wondering if this all goes back to them drafting Jalen Smith over Haliburton.

If they had Haliburton they probably don't resign CP3, or at least don't worry about the window closing when he ages out.

If they don't have to consider Paul's timeline they don't trade everything for Durant.

They'd be sitting with a Booker/Haliburton/Bridges core, maybe Ayton and Johnson as well. That would be pretty damn good

No the ship was doomed once they drafted Ayton over Doncic.
A core of Booker, Doncic, Bridges would have been contenders for 10 years.
Now they are as mediocre as the Lakers/Warriors, but at least they had thei success.

[Wolveswin]

Magic send Black, Howard, 2024 and 2025 1st round picks for Booker

Come on, that is laughable.

Black had a meh rookie season. Howard is easily in bust category. 2024 Magic 1st is already meh #18 in bad draft and 2025 1st from a playoff team adding Booker (so late late 1st). That is maybe 1/2 of what Booker would warrant in trade.

I think you and others vastly overrate Booker. He's really good. But he's basically just a scorer with decent playmaking. He plays no defense and is a crappy leader. He'll be 28 y/o and he is getting $50, $53, $57 and $61 million over the next four years. You have to account for that in trades. Either a team has the cap space to absorb the contract (like ORL) or they need to send back commensurate salary to make it legal. There aren't many teams that have a guy making that amount, that they want to get rid of, and that is someone the Suns would want in return PLUS the first round picks and young talent to make it worth the Suns while.

Then they don’t trade him. If Booker has depressed value in any way (he doesn’t) Suns just keep him.

Booker isn’t asking out. He is only 28. He loves PHX.

Your original Magic offer wouldn’t even crack the top 10 in offers. Suns get a premium package or keep Booker.

[Astaluego]

the Knicks seem like the obvious destination..Randle+Bojan+2 FRP.. The Suns get an allstart and can change the expiration of Bojan +Picks for help...I don't know something like Bojan +FRP for Schroeder+DFS

[In-N-Out 247]

How come every trade thread turns into "How to give the Lakers another ring for free"?

Anytime a star player becomes possibly available the Lakers are going to get mentioned. And so of course you are going to get over zealous fans that put out crazy trade scenarios.

The funny thing is that the consensus at the beginning of this thread was that Durant has very low trade value. But I guess it's not low enough to take on the Laker's poo poo platter - am I right?

[Meeksology]

He could've easily played with LeBron after the Warriors stint in Los Angeles. But he decided to team up with Kyrie instead lmao

He said in a interview he always wanted to compete vs LeBron. I don't think he was ever close enough to want to join LeBron.

Aka the NBA paid him to never join him because he would've easily caught MJ in rings with Durant.

Apparently its always MJ fans that bring up Bron and NEVER the other way around