2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 2-0)

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Who wins Game 2 of the NBA Finals?

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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#101 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:34 pm

KamikazeK wrote:
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KamikazeK wrote:The hubris from dallas fans and dallas-supporting neutral fans is hilarious to me. 10-20 years from now this Finals series will be looked at as a 64-win team beating down on a 50-win team. Simple as that.

Just when you think Celtics fans can't get more insufferable and obnoxious, you find a way...
You're coming off losing to 8th seed last year, tough keyboard guy, wait till you secure it to talk trash.

I'm not a sore winner. There's no joy in boasting once it's done. I'll be happy and then move on with my life. The time to trash talk is now when the other side still thinks they can win.

Mavs posters making a good habit of being really sanctimonious about other posters while doing just what they are complaining about.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#102 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:37 pm

Wargreymon wrote:This is a bad matchup for the Mavs. I think the only team that was capable of giving the Cs a run for their money was the Nuggets and we can all thank the TWolves for spoiling a possible repeat.

Nuggets and Wolves were both worse matchups for Boston and had better regular season success.

Nuggets super top heavy though and I think Wolves relying so much on an older Mike Conley was a lot like Boston and Al Horford the last two years without KP. As good as some of these older guys have been it’s a lot to put them in a feature role for that long of a season.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#103 » by Bobbymcgee » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:39 pm

Mavs can't overcome Luka's and Kyrie's atrocious defense. They are going to get exposed pretty badly this series. This will probably go down as one of the worst NBA Finals of all time.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#104 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:51 pm

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Mavrelous wrote:Just when you think Celtics fans can't get more insufferable and obnoxious, you find a way...
You're coming off losing to 8th seed last year, tough keyboard guy, wait till you secure it to talk trash.

I'm not a sore winner. There's no joy in boasting once it's done. I'll be happy and then move on with my life. The time to trash talk is now when the other side still thinks they can win.

Mavs posters making a good habit of being really sanctimonious about other posters while doing just what they are complaining about.



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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#105 » by The Corey's » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:52 pm

Kalela wrote:Mavs won the 2nd half of that first game. I wouldn't be surprised if they won game 2.


Did they? Interesting stat. Is there a stat that projects the score with the real lineups in there? Because both teams pulled their starters around the 5 minute mark.

Boston would of scored 130 that night if they had to.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#106 » by 165bows » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:55 pm



Pretty good video detailing game 1 matchups.

This is how Boston hedges on guys like Doncic but doesn’t double that much. Also describes the defensive matchup schemes pretty well which are a little different than I thought they were.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#107 » by brackdan70 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:56 pm

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KamikazeK wrote:The hubris from dallas fans and dallas-supporting neutral fans is hilarious to me. 10-20 years from now this Finals series will be looked at as a 64-win team beating down on a 50-win team. Simple as that.


Or those Celtics teams paying multiple years of hefty luxury tax had frequently reached ECF and even played in the finals multiple times,,

You might want to look up the Celtics tax history before commenting on it.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#108 » by CodeBreaker » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:06 pm

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CodeBreaker wrote:Doncic adjusts, blows Boston out of their building.


Man, he must be magic to be able to single-handedly score the 100+ points needed to beat another team.

He's called Luka Magic for a reason
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Post#109 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:13 pm

TommyPoints wrote:I don’t want to seem cocky and there is a lot of series left, but this is the most confident I’ve ever felt with Boston going into a Finals. They have too many weapons and this core is just hungry and have been so close. They aren’t going to let it slip away.

We will see how the Dallas supporting cast is able to adjust because Doncic and Irving aren’t beating Boston without someone stepping up. I can see Luka being gassed trying to do it all.

I've had the same feeling since the playoffs started. This group is so special and mostly unstoppable when we are fully 100%.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#110 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:23 pm

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KamikazeK wrote:The hubris from dallas fans and dallas-supporting neutral fans is hilarious to me. 10-20 years from now this Finals series will be looked at as a 64-win team beating down on a 50-win team. Simple as that.

Just when you think Celtics fans can't get more insufferable and obnoxious, you find a way...
You're coming off losing to 8th seed last year, tough keyboard guy, wait till you secure it to talk trash.

I'm not a sore winner. There's no joy in boasting once it's done. I'll be happy and then move on with my life. The time to trash talk is now when the other side still thinks they can win.

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Post#111 » by Yinwest » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:59 pm

Best offensive backcourt in the history tho.
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Post#112 » by Crunch 99 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:04 pm

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Big Al Horford now 10-1 as a starter in the 2024 NBA playoffs.


As a fan of another team, the only good part about seeing the Celtics win yet another title will be seeing Al Horford finally raise the Obrien trophy at 38 years young after playing many seasons of stellar basketball.


Als age is overemphasized. Dude is in fantastic shape and such a smart player. He knows what it takes to win. He is a pretty solid perimeter defender.


I am expecting *starving Al to be effective in these Finals. He's in good shape; he's getting plenty of recovery time lately --- nine days off between ECF and Finals and two days off between nearly every Finals' game; KP is going to be reducing Al's workload, and Horford likely knows and reads the game of basketball better than Dallas rookie Lively and Gafford put together. Horford has the Celtics' highest net rating for the playoffs so far.

*"How hungry are you to finally get that title?" ESPN's Salters asked.

"Starving. Starving", Horford said.
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Post#113 » by Celts17Pride » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:06 pm

LaLover11 wrote:Kyrie revenge game

He's giving Celtics 45 game 2

That's a lot of minutes.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#114 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:11 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
LaLover11 wrote:Kyrie revenge game

He's giving Celtics 45 game 2

That's a lot of minutes.



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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#115 » by ITYSL » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:59 pm

As many Celtics fans predicted, the Celtics would allow Luka to get his while working to limit others. As I wrote here, the challenge would be in the Celtics' ability to limit the lob, which was such an effective weapon for Dallas these playoffs, especially against MIN.

Where I was wrong was that I thought the Celtics would do this primarily by how they defended the Luka PnR. They did do some pre-switching, primarily when Porzingis was at the 5. But when Horford was there, they primarily just switched, and Horford often came up on the screen and didn't drop as much as, say, Gobert was doing in the last series. Their other strategy was in putting Tatum on the center. Tatum did a great job with this, basically boxing out Lively/Gafford and preventing them from getting close enough for the lob. Tatum was elite on the boards in Game 1 - he led everyone with 11 rebounds and outrebounded Lively+Gafford+Kleber+Powell combined. Considering how often he was matched up with centers on defense, that was awesome.

If Dallas is intent on getting those lob chances, they could counter that by using, say, PJ as the initial screener on the PnR, and then have PJ roll quickly to an off-ball screen on Tatum. That might get Lively/Gafford free for a lob, though space would be tight.

Tatum needs to fix his turnovers, and his shooting efficiency was bad. Otherwise, he had a really good game. The only starter+KP who allowed fewer points as the primary defender was Horford. He was also the best playmaker on the floor. Not only did he have the most assists tied with Jrue and White, he had the most potential assists. This is significant considering how Dallas was focused mostly on Tatum on defense, often doubling and tripling him if he got into the paint. Tatum made great reads and some great passes.

Luka did get his - 30 points is no joke. But it was also on pretty poor efficiency at 53.2% TS. Luka did not have a single game in the WCF where his TS was that low. Overall these playoffs, Luka's TS is 56.2%; it was 51.5% vs. LAC, 56.6% vs. OKC, and a whopping 62.7% vs. MIN. So the Celtics really did their job in Game 1. Luka got his points but it was on poor efficiency.

Most importantly, they kept him to that poor efficiency even though they played him straight up for the most part. There wasn't much doubling at all. I'm not sure if they blitzed him on even one PnR. Their strategy was to stay home on the other players and make Luka beat them. As a result, Luka only had 1 assist. More importantly, he only had 7 potential assists (his teammates were really bad in Game 1). His averages for potential assists per game in previous rounds were 16.3 vs. LAC, 15 vs. OKC, and 13.6 vs. MIN.

For the Celtics, the only person who I felt had a rough game from their core was White. He missed a few very wide open 3s, and allowed PJ and Luka to bully him at the other end. As for who had the best game on the Celtics, I think a good argument could be made for Brown, KP or even Horford.

Horford was incredible on defense, switching onto Luka and giving him very little. Luka went 1/8 with Horford as primary defender. I don't expect that to be the case every game, at all. But what a game by Big Al.

Meanwhile, JB and KP were both elite as **** at both ends. They were both flying all over the place. JB with the rim protection, plus picking Luka's pocket, and then scoring with high efficiency and bullying his way into the paint on several occasions. KP was incredible as well - shooting a ridiculous percentage from midrange with defenders draped all over him, draining a long 3 in Luka's face, and then just some incredible rim protection at the other end.

This series is far from over, but as a Celtics fan I could not be more encouraged by Game 1. They were able to do pretty much everything they wanted to do, at both ends. It will be interesting to see how Dallas counters, but honestly I think it comes down to the ability of Luka, Kyrie and other non-Doncic players being able to make their shots. PJ+DJJ going 7 for 20 is not going to get it done.

Well damn, this is a long ass post, isn't it. Haha.
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Post#116 » by Ben-N1ce » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:07 pm

Celtics already won a game with Tatum being mid. Can Mavs win any games with Luka or Kyrie mid? If Celtics get the same looks tomorrow they are dropping 115+ IMO. They were average on offense game 1.
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Post#117 » by bisme37 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:22 pm

All playoffs long teams have been guarding Tatum and the C's like this...

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And then Tatum plays a smart game and passes out to shooters and the C's win and everyone says Tatum sucks. Which I am over arguing about that, but point of this post is... should the Mavs play JT straight up like the Celtics are playing Luka? There are too many high level players/shooters on the floor to swarm one guy, but 4 straight coaches have done just that in this postseason.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#118 » by Deivork » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:23 pm

KamikazeK wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
KamikazeK wrote:The hubris from dallas fans and dallas-supporting neutral fans is hilarious to me. 10-20 years from now this Finals series will be looked at as a 64-win team beating down on a 50-win team. Simple as that.

Just when you think Celtics fans can't get more insufferable and obnoxious, you find a way...
You're coming off losing to 8th seed last year, tough keyboard guy, wait till you secure it to talk trash.

I'm not a sore winner. There's no joy in boasting once it's done. I'll be happy and then move on with my life. The time to trash talk is now when the other side still thinks they can win.


"trash talk" is... whatever anyone wants to fit in that category...

i will agree, as a Celtics fan, that it is a bit embarassing... It's not like the Cs haven't given us reasons for doubt. Doesn't look like it now but... I just find it expendable in a forum.
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Re: 2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (BOS leads 1-0) Game 2: Sunday June 9th 

Post#119 » by Mavrelous » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:34 pm

bisme37 wrote:All playoffs long teams have been guarding Tatum and the C's like this...

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And then Tatum plays a smart game and passes out to shooters and the C's win and everyone says Tatum sucks. Which I am over arguing about that, but point of this post is... should the Mavs play JT straight up like the Celtics are playing Luka? There are too many high level players/shooters on the floor to swarm one guy, but 4 straight coaches have done just that in this postseason.


It's badly executed 2-3 zone, no one is triple teaming Tatum here, Tatum himself was wide open few times for the same rerason.
Mavs in general are bad at zone, which would've been useful change of look.
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Post#120 » by ITYSL » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:45 pm

Ben-N1ce wrote:Celtics already won a game with Tatum being mid. Can Mavs win any games with Luka or Kyrie mid? If Celtics get the same looks tomorrow they are dropping 115+ IMO. They were average on offense game 1.

They were on pace for 115 through three quarters. Then they pulled their starters about halfway through the 4th.

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