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SkyBill40 wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:SkyBill40 wrote:I'm sure he cares... about just not being second to Jordan. About anything else? Pfft. How the hell should I know?
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People like you this delusional regarding a **** GOAT debate is honestly just weird.
It's what we call SARCASM, my dude. FFS. Get a grip. It's not even remotely that serious. People like you are hilarious.
I need to start using this excuse when people call out my bad takes.bledredwine wrote:There were 3 times Jordan won and was considered the underdog
1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
DaPessimist wrote:cpower wrote:DaPessimist wrote:3-point chucking is the only thing killing the NBA right now.
i dont see the problem...why are people so against 3-point chucking but so excited about long 2 chucking?
I want to see variety. Deep 3's, short 3's, long 2's, midrange, midrange post, midrange triple-threat, low post, hooks, layups, dunks, etc..
The hunt for 3pnt shots is turning the game into a math equation. The NBA is already a make or miss league. When the majority of makes or misses are 3's, it only exacerbates the problem.
I'm not sure what the actual numbers are, but it feels like we get more and more blowout games every year. The number of 'blowouts' at halftime has to be up. It really doesn't matter if the game is close in the end if nobody is there to watch it. How many people stuck around for the end of the OKC vs. MIN game tonight?
GameOver25 wrote:The fact that it's always a constant debate of the new era vs old era, is an indictment on the new era/new product, along with ratings, etc. All the talk about the new era having better offense, more complex defense, better skilled athletes, etc. So if that's the case why are the ratings down and players constantly being ridiculed?
You can't just sit around and say "Oh it's nostalgia" or "Old man yelling at the cloud" narrative. If it's so good the games would speak for themselves, but they aren't and will continue to be criticized.
OdomFan wrote:I couldn't careless what Frye thinks. The 90s may not have been perfectly clean (no era is) but there's a reason why many who witnessed it enough still have such fond memories of it. You had more variety. Everything thats great about the NBA began in the mid-late 80s, and continued to get better through the 90s and on forward as far as international players coming in and becoming main stay pieces in starting line ups, etc. The 3 point shot was utilized fine, and you had your traditional big men. Your explosive slasher big men, mid range buckets, team defense, and better quality all star games. I wouldn't change a thing about that. Todays league? ill change a lot.
zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:I couldn't careless what Frye thinks. The 90s may not have been perfectly clean (no era is) but there's a reason why many who witnessed it enough still have such fond memories of it. You had more variety. Everything thats great about the NBA began in the mid-late 80s, and continued to get better through the 90s and on forward as far as international players coming in and becoming main stay pieces in starting line ups, etc. The 3 point shot was utilized fine, and you had your traditional big men. Your explosive slasher big men, mid range buckets, team defense, and better quality all star games. I wouldn't change a thing about that. Todays league? ill change a lot.
The 90’s was a weak era for basketball, and the popularity of the league was propped up by one guy.
Remove MJ from the 90’s and we’d view that decade about as fondly as we do the 70’s.
SkyBill40 wrote:YogurtProducer wrote:SkyBill40 wrote:I'm sure he cares... about just not being second to Jordan. About anything else? Pfft. How the hell should I know?
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People like you this delusional regarding a **** GOAT debate is honestly just weird.
It's what we call SARCASM, my dude. FFS. Get a grip. It's not even remotely that serious. People like you are hilarious.
OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:I couldn't careless what Frye thinks. The 90s may not have been perfectly clean (no era is) but there's a reason why many who witnessed it enough still have such fond memories of it. You had more variety. Everything thats great about the NBA began in the mid-late 80s, and continued to get better through the 90s and on forward as far as international players coming in and becoming main stay pieces in starting line ups, etc. The 3 point shot was utilized fine, and you had your traditional big men. Your explosive slasher big men, mid range buckets, team defense, and better quality all star games. I wouldn't change a thing about that. Todays league? ill change a lot.
The 90’s was a weak era for basketball, and the popularity of the league was propped up by one guy.
Remove MJ from the 90’s and we’d view that decade about as fondly as we do the 70’s.
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
LockoutSeason wrote:OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:
The 90’s was a weak era for basketball, and the popularity of the league was propped up by one guy.
Remove MJ from the 90’s and we’d view that decade about as fondly as we do the 70’s.
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
No it wasn’t. When MJ retired, ratings collapsed (in an era where TV ratings still mattered).
The ‘90s were a weak era of basketball outside of 1 player. We have the receipts.
OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:I couldn't careless what Frye thinks. The 90s may not have been perfectly clean (no era is) but there's a reason why many who witnessed it enough still have such fond memories of it. You had more variety. Everything thats great about the NBA began in the mid-late 80s, and continued to get better through the 90s and on forward as far as international players coming in and becoming main stay pieces in starting line ups, etc. The 3 point shot was utilized fine, and you had your traditional big men. Your explosive slasher big men, mid range buckets, team defense, and better quality all star games. I wouldn't change a thing about that. Todays league? ill change a lot.
The 90’s was a weak era for basketball, and the popularity of the league was propped up by one guy.
Remove MJ from the 90’s and we’d view that decade about as fondly as we do the 70’s.
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
NBA4Lyfe wrote:klutch sports and their collusion see the recent luka/ad trade its what killing the nba
i wouldnt expect a klutch sports client like channing frye to say that tho
zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:
The 90’s was a weak era for basketball, and the popularity of the league was propped up by one guy.
Remove MJ from the 90’s and we’d view that decade about as fondly as we do the 70’s.
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
Big J wrote:Guys now are incredible, but they don’t care as much as MJ & Kobe did. Kobe was out there giving 110% effort in damn All Star games. MJ took every slight that was said about him personally, and avenged every single one of them.
OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:
Wrong. Ewing and the Knicks were popular through the whole 90s, then came Alonzo Mourning and the Hornets. LJ, the rise of Shaquille O'Neal and Penny in Orlando, Stockton and Malone, Reggie Millers clutch shots and the Miller time beer commercials were a huge hit, The 96 draft class. I can go on and on. Only thing you revealed just now is how casual you are to that time. Thinking 1 man was behind all of that. Jordan was Major part of it all, but the rest of those stars around the league did their part at keeping fans watching as well.
Removing Mike from it is just your own wishful thinking for whatever reason.
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
They didn't need to carry anything, they were popular basketball players. The league had plenty of popular basketball players that kept fans watching. You can speculate all you want but thats all thats ever gonna be.
zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
They didn't need to carry anything, they were popular basketball players. The league had plenty of popular basketball players that kept fans watching. You can speculate all you want but thats all thats ever gonna be.
The average American had no idea who those guys were unless they were playing against MJ in the Finals.
zero rings wrote:OdomFan wrote:zero rings wrote:
MJ retired twice in the 90’s and ratings collapsed both times.
If you think guys like Penny Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning were going to carry the league in his place, you’re delusional.
They didn't need to carry anything, they were popular basketball players. The league had plenty of popular basketball players that kept fans watching. You can speculate all you want but thats all thats ever gonna be.
The average American had no idea who those guys were unless they were playing against MJ in the Finals.
OdomFan wrote:I couldn't careless what Frye thinks. The 90s may not have been perfectly clean (no era is) but there's a reason why many who witnessed it enough still have such fond memories of it. You had more variety. Everything thats great about the NBA began in the mid-late 80s, and continued to get better through the 90s and on forward as far as international players coming in and becoming main stay pieces in starting line ups, etc. The 3 point shot was utilized fine, and you had your traditional big men. Your explosive slasher big men, mid range buckets, team defense, and better quality all star games. I wouldn't change a thing about that. Todays league? ill change a lot.