What are the Sixers doing?

[Anticon]

At some point you have to start assembling an actual team. Can't keep trading young players for younger potential players.

The Sixers are just stockpiling picks and hoping a once in a generation talent comes by and saves them. They have no idea what they're doing. This is what separates well run organizations with the bad.

Or they're stockpiling picks so that they can trade for a generational talent when one becomes available, although obviously if one simply comes along via the draft and saves us than that would be preferable.

What generational talent would ever be interested in committing to a team as fickle as Philly? They have absolutely no capacity for loyalty.

You don't bail on draft picks so early. Its a sign of a bad and impatient GM who will never have the patience to develop players and build a team.

Look at the successful teams around the league - GS, Memphis, Atlanta. Do you think Hinkie would have the patience to build any of those teams?

They're lucky they have Brown, because Hinkie is doing a great job creating an atmosphere of absolute instability.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Lets do this slowly.


KJ walks = philly loses and asset for nothing in return


Trade KJ = get an asset in return.

A team is at risk of losing any player (or an asset, as you refer to them) if they get good. The goal is to find players who will get good; you want to be at risk off losing them because that means they are good enough for other teams to want.

So Philly has 4 million 2nd round picks. If one of them is as good as McDaniels, you'll just trade him for another 2 2nd rounders because, apparently, this is how you treat 'assets'.

This is just a cycle of mediocroty Hinkie has them in. He's playing NBA2K; the problem is that it's a real team, with real fans and real players.

He won't win anything because he is always playing for a future that will never come.

The team will be sold and re-located.

[Sixersftw]

There's no point in acquiring assets if you never cash in on them. The Sixers are really the extreme version of Morey's Rockets but I don't think they'll be able to strike out like Morey did unless they already have.

Why wouldn't we be able to cash in? We have an obscene amount of assets.

[E-Balla]

Relax, the sixers are in the eastern conference, if the bucks can make the playoffs after having the worst record last year, why can't the sixers, you never know

Well really the Bucks were bad for one year and a ton of guys had the worst season of their careers to get them there. The Bucks are back where they were 2 years ago (remember no one had them losing that many games last year before the season began). Philly is just trading all talent no matter why (KJ was a great player that should've been retained and MCW was traded for peanuts) and I don't think that's a good way to build a team up unless you get super lucky like Houston did and I'm not assuming everyone will get that lucky.

[logical_art]

Metrics and stuff.

[dunkman04]

So are they trading Noel or Embiid next year?

[GallagherArt]

What generational talent would ever be interested in committing to a team as fickle as Philly? They have absolutely no capacity for loyalty.

I was insisting more along the lines of a trade or through the draft.

[Wonderllama]

There's not a single Sixer jersey for a current player that you would want to buy. Not one. They could & probably will be traded. This is year 2 of "the plan"? Seems to me like it's back to square one

[GallagherArt]

Relax, the sixers are in the eastern conference, if the bucks can make the playoffs after having the worst record last year, why can't the sixers, you never know

Well really the Bucks were bad for one year and a ton of guys had the worst season of their careers to get them there. The Bucks are back where they were 2 years ago (remember no one had them losing that many games last year before the season began). Philly is just trading all talent no matter why (KJ was a great player that should've been retained and MCW was traded for peanuts) and I don't think that's a good way to build a team up unless you get super lucky like Houston did and I'm not assuming everyone will get that lucky.

MCW for Lakers top 5 protected pick is not peanuts, lol. I'm assuming the KJ trade was made because the Sixers had more of an understanding of his valuation and were not willing to pay what I'd assume he is supposedly going to get paid.

There's no advantage to selecting KJ in the second round if he's going to be paid as much or more than a top overall pick. He accepted the base offer that second round picks are entitled to and it's paying off. Good for KJ, bad for the Sixers.

[Zenith]

So are they trading Noel or Embiid next year?

Both

[Detective]

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[pbernardi]

My theory is: when they have enough picks, they will found their own league, and self-declare champions.

[LloydFree]

If you don't believe the young players you have will ever become the cornerstones required to be a title contender, why would you waste years and resources trying to assemble a team around them?

Sure, then they can waste 10 more years trading for potential cornerstones which you speak of. By your logic, then every team should be dumping every non-cornerstone player less than 2 years into their professional careers for more draft picks.

Hinkie has enough draft picks to continue to build his team. Who said he has to build it around KJ and MCW? One's a rookie and the other is a sophomore. You don't just dump those young players with great promise for complete unknowns.

MCW great promise...

Not only is MCW's play trash, his body language is as well.

Great...

MCW is absolutely terrible. Chucker that can't shoot.

Promise...

It's going to be humorous witnessing this boards perceptions of MCW change now that he's been traded.

For the win. An "owning" like this shouldn't be legal.

[Tony Franciosa]

What generational talent would ever be interested in committing to a team as fickle as Philly? They have absolutely no capacity for loyalty.

This is a dumb statement. We are one of the great Legacy teams in this league, despite what you turds think about our current plan and status in the league, with a long history of all-time great players that keep coming back as alumni every year.

This ownership group is 3 years into their tenure with the team; Hinkie and Brown are 2 years in. To say they have no loyalty means nothing at this early stage.

[Anticon]

What generational talent would ever be interested in committing to a team as fickle as Philly? They have absolutely no capacity for loyalty.

This is a dumb statement. We are one of the great Legacy teams in this league, despite what you turds think about our current plan and status in the league, with a long history of all-time great players that keep coming back as alumni every year.

This ownership group is 3 years into their tenure with the team; Hinkie and Brown are 2 years in. To say they have no loyalty means nothing at this early stage.

I guess time will tell.

And BTW I have immense respect for the history of the sixers. I also like the roster and coach, as I noted.

My issue is with Hinkie, entirely.

[majortom71]

The revolving door keeps spinning.
2 years from 2 years....etc.

[MitchellUK]

What generational talent would ever be interested in committing to a team as fickle as Philly? They have absolutely no capacity for loyalty.

This is a dumb statement. We are one of the great Legacy teams in this league, despite what you turds think about our current plan and status in the league, with a long history of all-time great players that keep coming back as alumni every year.

This ownership group is 3 years into their tenure with the team; Hinkie and Brown are 2 years in. To say they have no loyalty means nothing at this early stage.

It's really not a dumb statement. I get what you are saying about the Sixers' history, but players still want some sort of stability and security, and right now would you trust that you might get that in Philly? Hinkie has displayed the same attitude towards players as Morey. They are assets to be stockpiled and moved when necessary. I read over the last few days that Goran Dragic didn't want to entertain a return to Houston because he believed he would eventually be traded again.

Only three guys who were on the roster at the end of 2012-13 made it to the end of 2013-2014, and only 5 guys who were on the Sixers roster for the final game of last season remain with the team now. The only player who was on the roster in 2012-13 and remains so now is Jason Richardson, who hasn't played for over 2 years.

I get that it's a rebuild, I get that Hinkie is trying construct a team from the foundations up, but this kind of revolving door strategy stunts continuity and growth and will ultimately lead to players wondering if they are next.

[snoopdogg88]

RealGm you can't have it both ways,

you told us MCW was absolutely terrible and overrated and it was laughable to try and build around him.
now we get insanely good value for him, and all of a sudden it's another Hinkie disgrace.


now if you want to argue the logic of the KJ trade, i'm with you.

[gipper08]

I thought you'd be lucky to get a guy like McDaniels with a second rounder. I mean how do you win the lottery and then turn that money back in to play the lottery again? Hinkie needs to sign up for gamblers anonymous.

No. Signing KJ to 8 million per this summer would be gambling and playing the lottery. Dude was going to be a free agent and he was unproven and going to be paid.

[Liver_Pooty]

I've never liked MCW, and I think Hinkie did a phenomenal job getting incredible value for him.