Official NBA COVID Protocol thread (please read the OP)

[FNQ]

I am also skeptical, but such a revelation could change the calculus of mitigation planning around the league. I forsee additional testing coming, and even, perhaps, a controlled shutdown if things get too bad.

I don’t have any finite data to point to on that, because I’m not 100% sure what Omicron’s entry point is relative to the known entry point of Delta. So I’ll just say that it seems unlikely on its face, and that I think it’s wholly irresponsible for the CEO of a medical supply company to speculate on something that is not proven. If not immoral.

I can’t find the post to respond so I’ll respond to this one. Based on what you’ve seen in the data and research, what’s the possibility of omicron mutating into something both more infectious and fatal? I feel like that’s the nightmare scenario that would leave us completely ****, but from what I’ve read, it’s not in the virus’ evolutionary self interest.

It’s hard to quantify, it just is a possibility. And the virus isn’t intelligent, so it won’t be able to determine what it’s own self interests are.

So these three variants we know about - Alpha, Delta, Omicron - are 3 of an unknowable amount of attempts by the virus to survive. It could be out of 100, 1000, or more.. which is why charting it’s evolution is important. And safe to say most attempts it’s mostly fail.

But we’ve seen it get stronger/deadlier (Delta) and we’ve seen it get more transmissible (Omicron) so there are two variables in play that, if paired correctly, could be devastating. What are the odds of that? I’d say fairly unlikely, but the risk of ignoring it is immense and the only thing it’s impacting frequency of tests/more frequent social distancing or self-quarantines, which is a minimal thing long run.

Hard to get a lot of sports fans to agree but thats expected

[Pointgod]

This is crazy that Michael Porter Jr has had covid 3 times within a 2 year period. Shows the limits of the whole natural immunity argument.

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Natural immunity, like 2 shots doesn’t last forever. He got it first time early 2020 right? Then Delta, and now Omicron I’m guessing, which doesn’t care if you have natural immunity or shots.

Yes vaccines don’t last forever but we know what vaccines provide high protection against infections and serious symptoms. Even if you have natural immunity, getting vaccinated provides even higher protection as well. We don’t know which variants of the virus he had, I’m not sure if it’s out of the question for him to be infected by Delta twice. Doesn’t really tell us much except Michael Porter Jr probably has questionable social habits.

[Ballerhogger]

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[ItsDanger]

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global

Shows SARS CoV 2 mutations. Obviously many are not that much different to one another. So, logically, all your positives of Delta may have been various mutations of Delta.

Variants of concern have various criteria to be met. "Highly transmissible" is repeated for this reason. The other criteria are still being evaluated.

[Dominator83]

Westbrook already cleared. How are the Lakers the only team to get guys back in a day or two? Lol

[Pointgod]

Westbrook already cleared. How are the Lakers the only team to get guys back in a day or two? Lol

I can’t remember off the top of my head but another player cleared as well after a day. Im deep into fantasy basketball so that’s how I know.

[Pointgod]

I don’t have any finite data to point to on that, because I’m not 100% sure what Omicron’s entry point is relative to the known entry point of Delta. So I’ll just say that it seems unlikely on its face, and that I think it’s wholly irresponsible for the CEO of a medical supply company to speculate on something that is not proven. If not immoral.

I can’t find the post to respond so I’ll respond to this one. Based on what you’ve seen in the data and research, what’s the possibility of omicron mutating into something both more infectious and fatal? I feel like that’s the nightmare scenario that would leave us completely ****, but from what I’ve read, it’s not in the virus’ evolutionary self interest.

It’s hard to quantify, it just is a possibility. And the virus isn’t intelligent, so it won’t be able to determine what it’s own self interests are.

So these three variants we know about - Alpha, Delta, Omicron - are 3 of an unknowable amount of attempts by the virus to survive. It could be out of 100, 1000, or more.. which is why charting it’s evolution is important. And safe to say most attempts it’s mostly fail.

But we’ve seen it get stronger/deadlier (Delta) and we’ve seen it get more transmissible (Omicron) so there are two variables in play that, if paired correctly, could be devastating. What are the odds of that? I’d say fairly unlikely, but the risk of ignoring it is immense and the only thing it’s impacting frequency of tests/more frequent social distancing or self-quarantines, which is a minimal thing long run.

Hard to get a lot of sports fans to agree but thats expected

Thanks for the breakdown. It’s crazy how much unknown there is with covid.

[BigGargamel]

https://www.espn.com/nba/injuries

Look at that list of players.

Look at the Nets. Look at the Magic. Look at the Kings. Look at the Bulls. Look at the Bucks. Look at the Heat. Look at the Lakers.

Between injuries, COVID and rest days, literally 40% of the league is out.

How are the Jazz so healthy?

Basketball should not be being played right now, but $$$

Just absorb the G-League and NBA right now.

This is insanity.

[Wallace_Wallace]

Health and safety first, basketball comes second bro.

The only thing I wonder, will the NBA use "COVID-19 Protocols" to extend playoff series down the road.

[cool007]

Westbrook already cleared. How are the Lakers the only team to get guys back in a day or two? Lol

Yeah very fishy. Only Lakers players can get back out of protocols within 24 hours even if it was false positive. How come other players even without any symptoms can never come back within a week, let alone 24 hours.

This tells me that they probably use someone else (who doesn't have it) for the test - under their names and get that negative test and get out of the protocols. Cheat mode "on".

This probably not but one can wonder.

[The Warrior]

Health and safety first, basketball comes second bro.

The only thing I wonder, will the NBA use "COVID-19 Protocols" to extend playoff series down the road.

Isn't that ultimately what the OP is preaching as per his "Basketball should not be being played right now, but $$$" comment.

[Duke4life831]

I’m sure if you were to ask the players if they were willing to pause and risk the league losing money and it coming out of their salaries, they would say no.

So if the players don’t want to lose money and the owners don’t want to lose money, I see no reason for them not to continue on.

[BigGargamel]

I consider myself a pretty knowledgeable basketball fan, but the Magic just signed three guys I've never heard of in my life.

[pillwenney]

At the very least, we should probably keep fans out for like a month or something...or actually enforce mask rules in the arena, which would be easier if they stopped selling food and drinks, which they should probably do.

[Trey24]

Its either that you work through a pandemic or you let it run your life forever. At this point with the supposedly safe and effective vaccines, play through it as a league.

But also, they need to TREAT THESE PLAYERS. There's treatment out there that works, and these players are tested so often that they are detected early enough to receive treatment and get the virus out of their system.

I hope and pray that these NBA medical teams are forward thinking enough to take it upon themselves to treat players

[ropjhk]

I’m sure if you were to ask the players if they were willing to pause and risk the league losing money and it coming out of their salaries, they would say no.

So if the players don’t want to lose money and the owners don’t want to lose money, I see no reason for them not to continue on.

As long as fan safety and measures to limit the spread amongst fans is happening I agree.

[Duke4life831]

I’m sure if you were to ask the players if they were willing to pause and risk the league losing money and it coming out of their salaries, they would say no.

So if the players don’t want to lose money and the owners don’t want to lose money, I see no reason for them not to continue on.

As long as fan safety and measures to limit the spread amongst fans is happening I agree.

Agreed, but even then I think the fans will have some responsibility there. The fan should know going into a closed arena in the middle of Covid and during a time where high transmission is going on. The fan should take responsibly knowing that might be deemed a “higher risk” event to go to.

[Dr Aki]

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this is now confusing as ****

[Statlanta]

I consider myself a pretty knowledgeable basketball fan, but the Magic just signed three guys I've never heard of in my life.

The Magic aren’t on any national televised games so it might as well be an out of sight out of mind thing for the league, especially with that team record.