They're all better than Garland based on what? You being a Celtics fan? lolshi-woo wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:shi-woo wrote:Go look at recent trades for players of similar or greater skill, and what they went for.
Kyrie was traded to DAL for DFS, Spencer and a FRP
Fox was traded for Lavine
Derrick White was traded for JRich, Langford, and a FRP
Harden was traded to LAC for contracts and 2 mid FRP
Murray was traded for Daniels and 2 FRP
Dame was traded to MIL for Jrue
Jrue was traded to BOS for Malcolm, Time Lord, and 2 FRP
First and foremost, no JI is not All-Defense, he's never made a team, probably bc he's never healthy. And no, I'd much rather have actual All-Defense player Daniels over Scoot.
To your trades, they need context because your talent evaluation is very suspect.
Kyrie was 30, expiring, and had the vaccine drama.
Fox was a 1 time AS with 1.5 years left on his deal. Older than Garland too at 27, what has he ever accomplished in the playoffs?
White is a zero time AS and had accomplished exactly what in the playoffs to that point? Older than Garland at 27 too.
Harden was 34, expiring, and super overweight. Historic playoff choker.
Murray was a 1 time AS and has accomplished what exactly in the playoffs?
Dame was 33 and i believe requested a trade.
Jrue was 33 and expiring.
Out of your 7 examples you didn't name a single 2 time All-Star, who is 25, and locked up for 3 more years.
So what do i expect? A better package than anything you just listed.
But Garland is a worse player than all of those guys though, with the exception of maybe Murray who checked out. All those dudes have far more success than Garland, and they did it either as 1 options, or won rings. Saying he's an AS is meaningless in an NBA were Jamal Magloire, Kyle Korver, Mo Williams and Jeff Teague also had the honors. Derrick White is not an all star, but most people on this board would probably agree he's a better and more valuable player than Garland.
You' can nit pick the same for Garland. Doesn't fit with Mitch, silently asked out last offseason if reports are to be believed. Constant let down in the PO, and has been hurt the past two years when his team needed him. Hasn't proven to be able to play with another talented ball handler. Gets hunted like he's Trae Young on D.
Everything you said about his peers are true about him.
I'm not saying that is the best deal, but akin to what a Garland deal will probably look like, and gave you the past 7 trades of AS level to All NBA level guards to show precedence. 1 mid prospect and 2 mid picks. Reed and Brooks is the other trade example I gave, and think it would be wild if Garland went for anything more than that.
There are only a limited amount of teams who are in need of a PG, so I don't see the demand for him like that. He's not fetching young prospects like Amen or Franz, so it's either going to be okay starter level guys, or mid prospects. I think CLE would look to add depth at the wing, and add a guard piece for cheap, given they can just resign Ty to replace Garlands shooting and playmaking. Which is another aspect of the trade you are missing if it happens. The cap implications.
More successful? I'll ask again, what have Fox and Murray ever accomplished in their careers? Really truly, put Dame in there too.
Harden went to the Finals 13 years ago as a bench player. Yes he won a MVP but he was also 9 years older than current Garland when he got traded. He was fat. He gets hunted just like Trae and Garland. And as i told you, he was expiring.
Kyrie won a ring with LeBron, as a 2nd option, he's did nothing else in his career. Was 8 years older than current Garland, expiring, and massive off court drama.
Derrick White accomplished exactly nothing until joining a stacked Boston team.
Jrue has won 2 rings now but he's always like the 4th best player on those teams, at best, he's a role player. And yet again i tell you, was expiring, old as dirt, etc etc.
P.S. it's hilarious you say Garland and Mitchell can't work together yet they just won 64 games together before both getting hurt in May. Jerome is also an UFA but i wouldn't expect you to know/care, as it doesn't fit your narrative.
