Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

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Re: Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony 

Post#1201 » by J Smitty » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:48 am

Blackmun wrote:It's less than a week since he said playing for New York would be a dream. I do not presume anything that goes inside his head, but I think it's fairly clear where he would prefer ending up.


He didn't say playing for the Knicks was his ultimate dream. He said it would be anybody's ultimate dream to go back to where they're from and play basketball. He was born in Brooklyn. Not exactly a strong admission that he wants to play for the Knicks, when the comment had nothing to do with them, but the area.


It's certainly a scenario he has to consider. Could they possibly put together a contending team in 2-3 seasons? Yes. Is that a sure thing, that he should base his decision on? Hardly.



And what exactly makes the Knicks such a sure thing to become a title contender in the next couple years? Are they going to have cap space to go sign someone else? Do they have draft picks to find players? Assuming they get Melo, their flexibility going forward is pretty much shot. Hell, who knows if they'll even be able to re-sign Chandler. Of course if they do(like Walsh guaranteed), then they couldn't sign Paul in 2012.

Of course it's just my opinion, but that team wouldn't be much more than a perennial 2nd round exit, with losing in the ECF probably the best case scenario. If that was all his goal was, he'd just stay in Denver, and continue what they've been doing.
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Post#1202 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:30 am

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hoops4life wrote:I don't buy your explanation of why he wouldn't go to the various teams. Really!?!


Considering he has made it crystal clear that his first choice is the Knicks, you don't really need to buy anyone else's explanation, do you?

Blackmun wrote:
corona wrote:he's 26 now. he'll be 27 to start next season. 28 when barclays opens.
the celtics went from .293 to champions in one season. everyone calling for ainges head to being brilliant.
the lakers went from .500 to finals to champs over 2 seasons thanks to gasol.
heat went from .500 to eastern finals to nba champs in 2 seasons due to shaq trade.
with the right moves, getting stars, spending money, getting a little lucky, that's all it takes.


He's 27 this year, let's not get into a big deal about which month of the year people are born in, those 5 months give or take means nothing. If you think Nets are just 1.5 year from moving, you are incredibly optimistic.


Lol.

Where does this guy get some of this stuff from?

I swear, you must post with Little Must Can't Be Wrong on repeat in the background.
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Post#1203 » by JoseRizal » Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:40 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
Blackmun wrote:
hoops4life wrote:I don't buy your explanation of why he wouldn't go to the various teams. Really!?!


Considering he has made it crystal clear that his first choice is the Knicks, you don't really need to buy anyone else's explanation, do you?

Blackmun wrote:
corona wrote:he's 26 now. he'll be 27 to start next season. 28 when barclays opens.
the celtics went from .293 to champions in one season. everyone calling for ainges head to being brilliant.
the lakers went from .500 to finals to champs over 2 seasons thanks to gasol.
heat went from .500 to eastern finals to nba champs in 2 seasons due to shaq trade.
with the right moves, getting stars, spending money, getting a little lucky, that's all it takes.


He's 27 this year, let's not get into a big deal about which month of the year people are born in, those 5 months give or take means nothing. If you think Nets are just 1.5 year from moving, you are incredibly optimistic.


Lol.

Where does this guy get some of this stuff from?

I swear, you must post with Little Must Can't Be Wrong on repeat in the background.


I think he's Chris Sheridan's drinking buddy... :lol:
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Post#1204 » by GotItNow » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:10 am

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/01/16/carmelo-anthony-vows-to-be-with-nuggets-wednesday/

If Anthony really wants to go to New York, he could sign with the Knicks as a free agent this summer. However, a new collective bargaining agreement could result in a big salary cut.

"At first, a lot of people were saying it's a money situation,'' Anthony said after the shootaround, without mentioning any teams. "It has nothing to do with no type of money. I don't care about the money. My ultimate goal at the end of the day is to win a championship.''


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Post#1205 » by shangrila » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:49 pm

That's BS. The Denver team he's currently on has a better chance of winning a title then New York and New Jersey combined, at least for this season. If it was really about winning then he wouldn't be forcing his way out for a bigger market.
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Post#1206 » by truth serum » Sun Jan 16, 2011 12:55 pm

J Smitty wrote:
Blackmun wrote:It's less than a week since he said playing for New York would be a dream. I do not presume anything that goes inside his head, but I think it's fairly clear where he would prefer ending up.


He didn't say playing for the Knicks was his ultimate dream. He said it would be anybody's ultimate dream to go back to where they're from and play basketball. He was born in Brooklyn. Not exactly a strong admission that he wants to play for the Knicks, when the comment had nothing to do with them, but the area.


It's certainly a scenario he has to consider. Could they possibly put together a contending team in 2-3 seasons? Yes. Is that a sure thing, that he should base his decision on? Hardly.



And what exactly makes the Knicks such a sure thing to become a title contender in the next couple years? Are they going to have cap space to go sign someone else? Do they have draft picks to find players? Assuming they get Melo, their flexibility going forward is pretty much shot. Hell, who knows if they'll even be able to re-sign Chandler. Of course if they do(like Walsh guaranteed), then they couldn't sign Paul in 2012.

Of course it's just my opinion, but that team wouldn't be much more than a perennial 2nd round exit, with losing in the ECF probably the best case scenario. If that was all his goal was, he'd just stay in Denver, and continue what they've been doing.


It's gonna be so funny when he's a Knick. Some of you will do anything to rationalize why he shouldn't and doesn't want to be there when he clearly does. Just a matter of time til you're eating large doses of crow. And when the Knicks are legit condenders with Melo, you can have seconds.
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Post#1207 » by The Rebel » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:13 pm

Blackmun wrote:
corona wrote:how so? everytime someone confronts him about the knicks


It's less than a week since he said playing for New York would be a dream. I do not presume anything that goes inside his head, but I think it's fairly clear where he would prefer ending up.

He said going back home to play would be a dream, as he was talking about home being Brooklyn. No where in the real interview which was televised did he ever say the Knicks, or manhatten.
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he's 26 now. he'll be 27 to start next season. 28 when barclays opens.
the celtics went from .293 to champions in one season. everyone calling for ainges head to being brilliant.
the lakers went from .500 to finals to champs over 2 seasons thanks to gasol.
heat went from .500 to eastern finals to nba champs in 2 seasons due to shaq trade.
with the right moves, getting stars, spending money, getting a little lucky, that's all it takes.


He's 27 this year, let's not get into a big deal about which month of the year people are born in, those 5 months give or take means nothing. If you think Nets are just 1.5 year from moving, you are incredibly optimistic.


Melo does not turn 27 until the end of May. You keep using the argument that he will be 30 by the time the arena opens, so you are saying that a project that is slate for completion in 14 months, will take 3 years and 5+ months. But 5 months mean nothing, as your whole argument looks petty, and is ridiculous.
not sure why melo would be retired before they'd have a chance to put together a good roster.


It's certainly a scenario he has to consider. Could they possibly put together a contending team in 2-3 seasons? Yes. Is that a sure thing, that he should base his decision on? Hardly.

Is it a a sure thing the Knicks could build a contender before Amare's knees blow up? Also for all the hype Felton has been getting, he is still inefficient as hell which for a D'Antoni offense to really work well is not what they need. Is it a sure thing that the Knicks would even be contenders just by adding Melo? Considering they still would have nobody that plays good man to man defense in the post and they play a style that does not seem to work well in the playoffs, I would think they need more then Melo.

This deal on the other hand still leaves the Nets in relatively good shape for now and the future, especially if they can get Lopez back on track.
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Post#1208 » by The Rebel » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:16 pm

GotItNow wrote:
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2011/01/16/carmelo-anthony-vows-to-be-with-nuggets-wednesday/

If Anthony really wants to go to New York, he could sign with the Knicks as a free agent this summer. However, a new collective bargaining agreement could result in a big salary cut.

"At first, a lot of people were saying it's a money situation,'' Anthony said after the shootaround, without mentioning any teams. "It has nothing to do with no type of money. I don't care about the money. My ultimate goal at the end of the day is to win a championship.''


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So someone say Melo said that, but where is the tape? There are plenty of tapes flying around showing Melo talking about how important the extension is to him.
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Post#1209 » by shangrila » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:21 pm

truth serum wrote:It's gonna be so funny when he's a Knick. Some of you will do anything to rationalize why he shouldn't and doesn't want to be there when he clearly does. Just a matter of time til you're eating large doses of crow. And when the Knicks are legit condenders with Melo, you can have seconds.

And this is why nobody likes Knick's fans.
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Post#1210 » by melostat » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:31 pm

shangrila wrote:That's BS. The Denver team he's currently on has a better chance of winning a title then New York and New Jersey combined, at least for this season. If it was really about winning then he wouldn't be forcing his way out for a bigger market.


denver and ny has almost the same standing and i believe that ny is as good as denver right now plus they are younger so the argument that its better to stay in denver is nonsense plus he is playing for his hometown
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Post#1211 » by melostat » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:43 pm

The Rebel wrote:Is it a a sure thing the Knicks could build a contender before Amare's knees blow up? Also for all the hype Felton has been getting, he is still inefficient as hell which for a D'Antoni offense to really work well is not what they need. Is it a sure thing that the Knicks would even be contenders just by adding Melo? Considering they still would have nobody that plays good man to man defense in the post and they play a style that does not seem to work well in the playoffs, I would think they need more then Melo.

This deal on the other hand still leaves the Nets in relatively good shape for now and the future, especially if they can get Lopez back on track.


ny with melo is certainly better than the suns last season and if you dont consider suns then i dont know.

and is that all that you can say about amares knees blowing up when he hasnt been injured for 4 yrs now..I dont think NY is dumb enough to sign amare if they dont trust him..
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Post#1212 » by Allan Houston » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:59 pm

The Rebel wrote:So someone say Melo said that, but where is the tape? There are plenty of tapes flying around showing Melo talking about how important the extension is to him.


So FanHouse is just going to make up a quote and attach Melo's name to it? Wow..

I think he's made it pretty clear since the beginning that winning is by far his first priority. He wants to be able to compete with and beat the likes of LA, Boston, and Miami. Plus, there's little chance that he'd lose any money with a new CBA. He'll either be grandfathered in or the rest of the contracts will be rolled back. They're not going to punish him for being a free agent a year too late.
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Post#1213 » by MassDaGod » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:13 pm

shangrila wrote:That's BS. The Denver team he's currently on has a better chance of winning a title then New York and New Jersey combined, at least for this season. If it was really about winning then he wouldn't be forcing his way out for a bigger market.

Lol if the Knicks have the same record as the nuggets WITH melo, what makes you think the Knicks wont be much better contenders just by adding melo in the offseason?

Who would want to play in Denver anyway? Lol u can't get top FA's to play there and melo knows that.

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Post#1214 » by jeff1624 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:25 pm

MassDaGod wrote:
shangrila wrote:That's BS. The Denver team he's currently on has a better chance of winning a title then New York and New Jersey combined, at least for this season. If it was really about winning then he wouldn't be forcing his way out for a bigger market.

Lol if the Knicks have the same record as the nuggets WITH melo, what makes you think the Knicks wont be much better contenders just by adding melo in the offseason?

Who would want to play in Denver anyway? Lol u can't get top FA's to play there and melo knows that.

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I love this argument.. eeeeeeeeeeeeveryone wants to play for the Knicks yet, lebron shunned them, wade shunned them, Bosh shunned them, Joe Johnson took his cash and stayed in ATL etc. You only signed Amare because the knicks were the only team willing to give him 100 mil for 5 years, not because it was his dream. In an interview a while back he admitted to wanting to stay in Phoenix but that they only offered him 3 years guaranteed.

Then Knicks fans wonder why they recieve so much hate.. It's like they forget that they had the worst record of ANY team in the NBA from 2001-2010.. THE WORST, while having one of the highest payrolls year in and year out.. At least show some humility.
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Post#1215 » by bruddahmanmatt » Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:38 pm

jeff1624 wrote:
MassDaGod wrote:
shangrila wrote:That's BS. The Denver team he's currently on has a better chance of winning a title then New York and New Jersey combined, at least for this season. If it was really about winning then he wouldn't be forcing his way out for a bigger market.

Lol if the Knicks have the same record as the nuggets WITH melo, what makes you think the Knicks wont be much better contenders just by adding melo in the offseason?

Who would want to play in Denver anyway? Lol u can't get top FA's to play there and melo knows that.

Sorry



I love this argument.. eeeeeeeeeeeeveryone wants to play for the Knicks yet, lebron shunned them, wade shunned them, Bosh shunned them, Joe Johnson took his cash and stayed in ATL etc. You only signed Amare because the knicks were the only team willing to give him 100 mil for 5 years, not because it was his dream. In an interview a while back he admitted to wanting to stay in Phoenix but that they only offered him 3 years guaranteed.

Then Knicks fans wonder why they recieve so much hate.. It's like they forget that they had the worst record of ANY team in the NBA from 2001-2010.. THE WORST, while having one of the highest payrolls year in and year out.. The fact that they consider themselves the Lakers when comparing themselves to the Nets is beyond laughable.


Yeah I'm pretty much gonna have to agree with this one right here as far as the attitude of some (not all as there are some pretty savvy Knicks fans around here, but some) of the Knicks fans around these parts being downright asinine. Some of them just exude a sense of entitlement and now that they're finally over .500 with the potential of pairing Stoudemire with Melo, hereeeeeee we go with the smack talk. If there's anything we've learned over the past decade it's that you should probably wait until you win at least one LOB before unleashing a wave of smack talk. Cleveland fans can tell us all about that one. Hero to zero in one summer.
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Post#1216 » by DrewBynum77 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:08 pm

The funny thing about this thread is that knicks fans thinking they can win the title with Amare-Williams or Amaré/Turiaf front court.

And once the NYK signs Anthony with a max contract how will the NYK acquire an elite center? Great centers are rare in today's NBA therefore expensive as **** and the new CBA is coming...

and I'm not even counting the fact that the knicks would have to change their coach and his system sometime in the future and how long it would take to implement a defensive orientation into those players, even worse: will they be able to adapt to such a different system? I don't think so. "

Well, unless you just want to enjoy the illusion you're contending for the title every year when in reality you can't win in the NBA without great D. Oh, and don't even believe that MD'A will change. He wants to prove that his system works and will die trying...

Also, STAT's knee have an 'expiration' date printed on it and you own him 100m.
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Post#1217 » by Stills12 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:20 pm

jeff1624 wrote:I love this argument.. eeeeeeeeeeeeveryone wants to play for the Knicks yet, lebron shunned them, wade shunned them, Bosh shunned them, Joe Johnson took his cash and stayed in ATL etc. You only signed Amare because the knicks were the only team willing to give him 100 mil for 5 years, not because it was his dream. In an interview a while back he admitted to wanting to stay in Phoenix but that they only offered him 3 years guaranteed.

Then Knicks fans wonder why they recieve so much hate.. It's like they forget that they had the worst record of ANY team in the NBA from 2001-2010.. THE WORST, while having one of the highest payrolls year in and year out.. At least show some humility.

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Post#1218 » by Die93 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:27 pm

jeff1624 wrote:
MassDaGod wrote:
shangrila wrote:That's BS. The Denver team he's currently on has a better chance of winning a title then New York and New Jersey combined, at least for this season. If it was really about winning then he wouldn't be forcing his way out for a bigger market.

Lol if the Knicks have the same record as the nuggets WITH melo, what makes you think the Knicks wont be much better contenders just by adding melo in the offseason?

Who would want to play in Denver anyway? Lol u can't get top FA's to play there and melo knows that.

Sorry



I love this argument.. eeeeeeeeeeeeveryone wants to play for the Knicks yet, lebron shunned them, wade shunned them, Bosh shunned them, Joe Johnson took his cash and stayed in ATL etc. You only signed Amare because the knicks were the only team willing to give him 100 mil for 5 years, not because it was his dream. In an interview a while back he admitted to wanting to stay in Phoenix but that they only offered him 3 years guaranteed.

Then Knicks fans wonder why they recieve so much hate.. It's like they forget that they had the worst record of ANY team in the NBA from 2001-2010.. THE WORST, while having one of the highest payrolls year in and year out.. At least show some humility.

Melo wants to come to NY :D
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Post#1219 » by NYKnick87 » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:06 pm

The biggest losers in this whole situation will turn out to be the Nuggets. That's the only certainty in this discussion. Terrible management and no franchise player to speak of.
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Post#1220 » by HeyJoe » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:39 pm

NYKnick87 wrote:The biggest losers in this whole situation will turn out to be the Nuggets. That's the only certainty in this discussion. Terrible management and no franchise player to speak of.


idk, favors/morrow/harris, cap space, and a buttload of picks is certainly a lot better than what the cavs or toronto got

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