NBA Summer League 2022

[BlazersBroncos]

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Haha crazy how much of an outlier he is with the no 3 and no D, but good at everything else. Interesting to see this kind of role player. Probably limits the ceiling of his impact. Not convinced he will develop a shot but could happen.

If he doesn't improve those weaknesses/ become an off nsl threat hes probably best running a 2nd unit

And this was my point. I love Giddey and wanted him to fall to Memphis in the draft. He is probably the most elite at mapping the court I have ever seen and surpassing Jokic in this is quite the feat. I think his ultimate role on a championship team is akin to Magic on the Showtime Lakers where he defends the least threatening player on the opponents team and the rest of the team is built to cover his weakness while he adds hella value on the defensive boards.

I dont think Josh is as poor a defender as that matrix makes him out to be. By other defensive measurements he was quite good / decent:

DBPM: 0.3
DWS: 1.7
DRTG: 112 (3rd best on the team of guys over 1K minutes)

I am one of those who thinks he should be defending PF. He is a really tough kid and can easily take the banging, and he rebounds well enough as well. Wont be a weakside shotblocker, but in terms of footspeed he can stick with the vast majority of PF and I dont think anyone will out tough him, again he is a gritty dude and his frame is big enough to get up to 225lbs IMO.

I do wonder if Presti thinks the same. You dont trade 3 future FRP for Dieng unless you see him as a potential long term fit in OKC as a starter, and on paper the size, movement and workable 3PT shot Dieng brings is ideal for a SF between SGA and Giddey.

He has some hope as a scorer / shooter. His corner 3% was 33%, but as he handles the ball alot he didnt end up in the corner much (20% of his attpts). He is already a really good finisher at 65% from 0-3 feet. His mechanics are broke and will limit his ability to create 3PT shots, but he can at least become a viable 3PT guy on kickouts.

Giddey is too natural a basketball player with too good a work ethic and too good a head on his shounders to not maximize every ounce of talent he has IMO. I just cant see him not being at worst an elite 4th guy, but I think he becomes the ideal #3 on OKC, complimenting Chet and SGA tremendously well. But clearly I have bathed in the cool aid already in re Josh.

[nikster]

Haha crazy how much of an outlier he is with the no 3 and no D, but good at everything else. Interesting to see this kind of role player. Probably limits the ceiling of his impact. Not convinced he will develop a shot but could happen.

If he doesn't improve those weaknesses/ become an off nsl threat hes probably best running a 2nd unit

And this was my point. I love Giddey and wanted him to fall to Memphis in the draft. He is probably the most elite at mapping the court I have ever seen and surpassing Jokic in this is quite the feat. I think his ultimate role on a championship team is akin to Magic on the Showtime Lakers where he defends the least threatening player on the opponents team and the rest of the team is built to cover his weakness while he adds hella value on the defensive boards.

I dont think Josh is as poor a defender as that matrix makes him out to be. By other defensive measurements he was quite good / decent:

DBPM: 0.3
DWS: 1.7
DRTG: 112 (3rd best on the team of guys over 1K minutes)

I am one of those who thinks he should be defending PF. He is a really tough kid and can easily take the banging, and he rebounds well enough as well. Wont be a weakside shotblocker, but in terms of footspeed he can stick with the vast majority of PF and I dont think anyone will out tough him, again he is a gritty dude and his frame is big enough to get up to 225lbs IMO.

I do wonder if Presti thinks the same. You dont trade 3 future FRP for Dieng unless you see him as a potential long term fit in OKC as a starter, and on paper the size, movement and workable 3PT shot Dieng brings is ideal for a SF between SGA and Giddey.

He has some hope as a scorer / shooter. His corner 3% was 33%, but as he handles the ball alot he didnt end up in the corner much (20% of his attpts). He is already a really good finisher at 65% from 0-3 feet. His mechanics are broke and will limit his ability to create 3PT shots, but he can at least become a viable 3PT guy on kickouts.

Giddey is too natural a basketball player with too good a work ethic and too good a head on his shounders to not maximize every ounce of talent he has IMO. I just cant see him not being at worst an elite 4th guy, but I think he becomes the ideal #3 on OKC, complimenting Chet and SGA tremendously well. But clearly I have bathed in the cool aid already in re Josh.

Well the chart and those advanced stats dont necassrily contradict. This stat is showing matchup difficulty, so it appears Giddey is being consistently placed on the worst defenders on the opposing team. Now within that role he is having some impact, but thats not to say he would have a positive impact if taking tougher matchups That impact might also evaporate in a 7 game series where teams attack weaker defenders and make them harder to hide. I think the fact that hes on the worst defenders so consistently means this must be deliberate by the coaching staff, which kinda shows what they think about his defensive ability.

As for his corner 3, thats only a sample size of 43 shots, and still places him among the worst corner shooters on that OKC team. Im not convinced he can be a viable threat as a shooter

[MoneyTalks41890]

"Matchup difficult" seems like a completely useless way to categorize someone defensively.

[BlazersBroncos]

And this was my point. I love Giddey and wanted him to fall to Memphis in the draft. He is probably the most elite at mapping the court I have ever seen and surpassing Jokic in this is quite the feat. I think his ultimate role on a championship team is akin to Magic on the Showtime Lakers where he defends the least threatening player on the opponents team and the rest of the team is built to cover his weakness while he adds hella value on the defensive boards.

I dont think Josh is as poor a defender as that matrix makes him out to be. By other defensive measurements he was quite good / decent:

DBPM: 0.3
DWS: 1.7
DRTG: 112 (3rd best on the team of guys over 1K minutes)

I am one of those who thinks he should be defending PF. He is a really tough kid and can easily take the banging, and he rebounds well enough as well. Wont be a weakside shotblocker, but in terms of footspeed he can stick with the vast majority of PF and I dont think anyone will out tough him, again he is a gritty dude and his frame is big enough to get up to 225lbs IMO.

I do wonder if Presti thinks the same. You dont trade 3 future FRP for Dieng unless you see him as a potential long term fit in OKC as a starter, and on paper the size, movement and workable 3PT shot Dieng brings is ideal for a SF between SGA and Giddey.

He has some hope as a scorer / shooter. His corner 3% was 33%, but as he handles the ball alot he didnt end up in the corner much (20% of his attpts). He is already a really good finisher at 65% from 0-3 feet. His mechanics are broke and will limit his ability to create 3PT shots, but he can at least become a viable 3PT guy on kickouts.

Giddey is too natural a basketball player with too good a work ethic and too good a head on his shounders to not maximize every ounce of talent he has IMO. I just cant see him not being at worst an elite 4th guy, but I think he becomes the ideal #3 on OKC, complimenting Chet and SGA tremendously well. But clearly I have bathed in the cool aid already in re Josh.

Well the chart and those advanced stats dont necassrily contradict. This stat is showing matchup difficulty, so it appears Giddey is being consistently placed on the worst defenders on the opposing team. Now within that role he is having some impact, but thats not to say he would have a positive impact if taking tougher matchups That impact might also evaporate in a 7 game series where teams attack weaker defenders and make them harder to hide. I think the fact that hes on the worst defenders so consistently means this must be deliberate by the coaching staff, which kinda shows what they think about his defensive ability.

As for his corner 3, thats only a sample size of 43 shots, and still places him among the worst corner shooters on that OKC team. Im not convinced he can be a viable threat as a shooter

He is just way too young to label a non-shooter. Again, not saying he will be a good shooter, but its feasible he gets into that 32-35 range from 3. I dont think he is a MKG / MCW case - his work ethic is just too good to not improve IMO.

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"Matchup difficult" seems like a completely useless way to categorize someone defensively.

Maybe not totally useless but definitely at best only modestly informative.

[Ballerhogger]

Cole better make the lakers roster............

[The-Power]

Giddey's problem isn't defense, it's offense. He'll have to sort that out in order to justify having the ball in his hands a lot (which is needed for his passing impact to be felt).

[basketballRob]

Paolo is so smooth, I hope it carries over to the regular season.

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[Vampirate]

How on earth did Kuminga shoot so poorly compared to last season's regular season?

40.6%/20.0%/47.1% compared to 51.3%/33.6%/68.4%

It's summer league and small sample size and all, but you'd think he could easy get to 50% FG at least.

It's just a bit odd.