MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

Ballerhogger · Post #1561 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:49 pm

mademan wrote:if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

depends who plays better and what the match up is.

LikeABosh · Post #1562 » by **LikeABosh** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:51 pm

mademan wrote:if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

Only Kawhi (2014), Iggy (2015), and Billups (2004) won FMVP and didn't lead their team in scoring in the last 20 years. So my guess would be AD

Homer38 · Post #1563 » by **Homer38** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:52 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:
mademan wrote:if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

depends who plays better and what the match up is.

Good chance it will be against the Bucks if the lakers are in the finals.

Ballerhogger · Post #1564 » by **Ballerhogger** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:54 pm

Homer38 wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:
mademan wrote:if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

depends who plays better and what the match up is.

Good chance it will be against the Bucks if the lakers are in the finals.

Ill give the edge to AD then since hes rolled ever center hes played this year and im not worried about the Lopez brothers.

MarcusBrody · Post #1565 » by **MarcusBrody** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:02 pm

mademan wrote:if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

Does Anthony Davis have a big edge in box score stats? If you sum their big five stats (points, rebounds, assists, steals), Lebron comes out on top due to the difference in assists being bigger than any of Davis's advantages.

MarcusBrody · Post #1566 » by **MarcusBrody** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:05 pm

LikeABosh wrote:
mademan wrote:if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

Only Kawhi (2014), Iggy (2015), and Billups (2004) won FMVP and didn't lead their team in scoring in the last 20 years. So my guess would be AD

This is a good point, so I'm swayed for AD.

Plus, Kawhi and Iggy were basically given it for defending Lebron and at least preventing him from beating their team single handedly. If the Lakers would match up with the Bucks, anyone who checks Giannis effectively will definitely get a bonus. I'd guess that's more likely to be Davis, though I'm intrigued by them using Lebron and his strength to try to funnel Giannis into their shot blockers.

Joey Wheeler · Post #1567 » by **Joey Wheeler** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:58 pm

mademan wrote:if the Lakers win the title with their current dynamic, i wonder who would get FMVP. AD clearly has a (big) edge in box score stats while Lebron has an equally big edge in impact stats and clearly makes the team go (at least on offense).

Depends on the opponent. Think AD would win if it's the Bucks; Lebron if it's the Sixers. I think it'll be the Sixers, so Lebron.

clyde21 · Post #1568 » by **clyde21** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:20 pm

Giannis

Luka
Towns

everyone else

igorbianch · Post #1569 » by **igorbianch** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:23 pm

clyde21 wrote:Giannis

Luka
Towns

everyone else

Towns?

clyde21 · Post #1570 » by **clyde21** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:37 pm

igorbianch wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Giannis

Luka
Towns

everyone else

Towns?

yes?

26/12/4.5 with 1.5bpg on 66 TS%

5th in VORP
4th in BPM
6th in WS
5th in PER

the Wolves would be picking top3 in the draft without Towns

jfizzle · Post #1571 » by **jfizzle** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:37 pm

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Dave DaButcher · Post #1572 » by **Dave DaButcher** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:00 pm

Per the math nerds:

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igorbianch · Post #1573 » by **igorbianch** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:02 pm

clyde21 wrote:
igorbianch wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Giannis

Luka
Towns

everyone else

Towns?

yes?

26/12/4.5 with 1.5bpg on 66 TS%

5th in VORP
4th in BPM
6th in WS
5th in PER

the Wolves would be picking top3 in the draft without Towns

He plays no defense...

Great offensive player, but the biggest value that big men provide is defense, and he is terrible at that.

He could compensate that by being the team's playmaker like Jokic, but he isnt either.

Dupp · Post #1574 » by **Dupp** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:06 pm

The wolves are the 10th seed he’s obviously not top 3. He’s so far off there’s really no debate to be had around it. He is having a really great year though.

clyde21 · Post #1575 » by **clyde21** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:08 pm

igorbianch wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
igorbianch wrote:
Towns?

yes?

26/12/4.5 with 1.5bpg on 66 TS%

5th in VORP
4th in BPM
6th in WS
5th in PER

the Wolves would be picking top3 in the draft without Towns

He plays no defense...

Great offensive player, but the biggest value that big men provide is defense, and he is terrible at that.

He could compensate that by being the team's playmaker like Jokic, but he isnt either.

have you been watching him? he's been great defensively this year. and if we're talking about 'plays no defense'...maybe we should also remove Luka from this thread?

and he's not just a great offensive player...he's an ELITE offensive player, one of the best 3 level scoring Centers we've ever seen, if not the best.

Ron Swanson · Post #1576 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:52 pm

To be fair, Towns is playing way better than Siakam and for some reason I still see people putting Siakam at #5 on their MVP lists. Don't @ me with "team wins".

LikeABosh · Post #1577 » by **LikeABosh** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:53 pm

clyde21 wrote:
the Wolves would be picking top3 in the draft without Towns

And they could be picking top 10 with him. He's not a serious candidate

LikeABosh · Post #1578 » by **LikeABosh** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:04 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:To be fair, Towns is playing way better than Siakam and for some reason I still see people putting Siakam at #5 on their MVP lists. Don't @ me with "team wins".

Yeah, Siakam is proving that he doesn't belong in the conversation. Last 15 games he's averaged like 23 points and 51 TS%. Trending towards being a full tier below the other candidates (at least)

clyde21 · Post #1579 » by **clyde21** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:16 pm

LikeABosh wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
the Wolves would be picking top3 in the draft without Towns

And they could be picking top 10 with him. He's not a serious candidate

lol, per all box scores, metrics, advanced stats he is very much a serious candidate actually.

LikeABosh · Post #1580 » by **LikeABosh** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:29 pm

clyde21 wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
the Wolves would be picking top3 in the draft without Towns

And they could be picking top 10 with him. He's not a serious candidate

lol, per all box scores, metrics, advanced stats he is very much a serious candidate actually.

A serious candidate to win it? Oh boy

That'll be the day. Towns beats out historical seasons by Giannis, Harden, and Luka with a losing record

Towns is having a great year. His 3 pt shooting as a big is incredible. But he'll never ever win it if he has no team success. Who are you trying to fool? Nobody would believe he's an MVP regardless of his sexy advanced stats

99% of the time you make a lot of sense. But that 1% of the time, you say the most bizare things

Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?