The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point

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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#161 » by mid-post » Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:36 pm

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Fair enough. I do appreciate the thoughtful response. And btw I definitely don't think Memphis is "top 5 in the West at this point."

What I don't understand is how some people are coming to the conclusion the Grizzlies are going to be somehow worse than they were last year.
Their starting 5 have excellent offensive chemistry. They really aren't the "chuckers" that they had a reputation for in the past. They share the ball and run the offense.
They've added some decent bench pieces (the one thing that absolutely killed them last year) and they'll be a bit better at shooting the 3 than they were last year.
There's really no logical reason as to why there would be a significant drop off in their play.
In fact it's just as likely that they're a better team now as it is that they'll be a worse team.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#162 » by tsherkin » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:09 pm

mid-post wrote:What I don't understand is how some people are coming to the conclusion the Grizzlies are going to be somehow worse than they were last year.


If they are, it's that they've stood still while others have improved, not because they are that likely to regress. Then again, maybe Marc Gasol takes that next step forward, right?

They really aren't the "chuckers" that they had a reputation for in the past. They share the ball and run the offense.


I wouldn't call them chuckers, I mean hell, even Randolph was passing reasonably well last year.

I think they'll end up right around where they were last year, 38-40 wins, barring a major breakthrough from either Gasol or Mayo. Or maybe Conley finally gets it, heh.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#163 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:17 pm

Not until Gay or Mark Gasol steps up and takes the reins to be the flat out undisputed leader, the one the guys will follow behind no matter what. At this point I don't see it, they still have some issues that are still festering. One being OJ and Rudy's disdain for each other, it's a problem that's real and must be rectified.

And we all know that Zach is a big question mark as it regards to his future there, he's going to have to take a cut because Mark is the next to get paid regardless. Question is can he accept that ?

Then you have OJ and Conley in a position battle for the lead guard spot, although OJ is more of a 2.

Too many IF's for me, they could be a playoff team but it's a lot of solid teams sinking towards the bottom that could keep them out. But they're not top 5........no how no way.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#164 » by mikhailjordan » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:17 pm

It's funny but for the Grizzlies to take the next step Mayo will have to breakthrough and make Gay the secondary scorer for that team.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#165 » by DEEP3CL » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:35 pm

mikhailjordan wrote:It's funny but for the Grizzlies to take the next step Mayo will have to breakthrough and make Gay the secondary scorer for that team.
Yes, and that leads into the comment I made in my first post about them. OJ hasn't fully tapped into his talents, while Rudy is pretty much who he is by now.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#166 » by mid-post » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:04 pm

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mikhailjordan wrote:It's funny but for the Grizzlies to take the next step Mayo will have to breakthrough and make Gay the secondary scorer for that team.
Yes, and that leads into the comment I made in my first post about them. OJ hasn't fully tapped into his talents, while Rudy is pretty much who he is by now.


I agree that the Grizzlies will need for OJ to "break out" in order for them to see success (playoffs) in the future, but I definitely disagree that there's any sort of negative tension between OJ and Rudy. They get along well. Also, FWIW, I think Marc's development is just as important as OJ's.
There have been rare cases where OJ and Rudy bitch at each other when things aren't going well, but that's happened like twice (over the course of 150) games. And it didn't really affect the team's play or send it into a negative spiral. Believe me, they're fine. Both those guys are definitely competitive, which I think is healthy and a good sign.
There are plenty of touches available to both of those guys. It's really not a competition between the two of them when it comes to getting the ball and/or shots. There might be competition to see who "the man" is, but that aspect of the competition hasn't manifested itself negatively. OJ makes an effort to play within the system and so does Rudy.
Also, regardless of contract size, Rudy hasn't really been the go to guy for the Grizzlies. Maybe he was in OJ's rookie season, but last year it was really a total team effort. Rudy will occasionally go off and chuck a few shots, but for the most part they all stay within the offense. The starting five also like to share the ball. They aren't great at it, but they definitely make the effort.
Anyway, I look forward to seeing this Grizzlies team grow.
The starting five play very well together and the only way I see there being any future awkwardness is when it comes time to pay Marc/OJ/Zbo their money (since Rudy got paid).
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#167 » by tsherkin » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:09 pm

Rudy's been who he is for three years, lol. He's a useful player, but he's not getting much better at anything but not screwing up. Solid contributions, though. If they had better point play, he could totally be a Worthy-type player, sans the upper-bound that Worthy took it to in the playoffs.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#168 » by mikhailjordan » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:16 pm

It's not about any tension between Gay-Mayo it's about how Mayo is content to defer to his Gay counterpart time and time again.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#169 » by mid-post » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:42 pm

mikhailjordan wrote:It's not about any tension between Gay-Mayo it's about how Mayo is content to defer to his Gay counterpart time and time again.


He doesn't defer to Rudy so much as his game right now limits what he can do effectively in the Grizzlies offense. When OJ goes 1v1 over and over, trying to do too much, it usually is at the detriment of the team. The same applies to Rudy, and (as of last season) both those guys have started to figure that out. OJ doesn't defer to Rudy so much as he defers to the team basketball that Memphis plays.
When people see Rudy as the top scorer on the Grizzlies they automatically think "He's the guy always getting the ball when it should be OJ." The reality is that Rudy gets the ball in certain spots that Memphis has "historically" (over the course of his career) given him the ball. It's more a function of habit and comfort-level than it is ego. Rudy became the face of the franchise for a few seasons (when they were terrible) and as a result he gets the ball a bit more often in his "go-to" spots than the other players. On a related topic (and I'm not trying to justify the contract), it's also why Rudy got paid; branding (a necessary evil) was as big a factor (or greater) leading to his fat contract as his potential to become a better player.

Back to OJ: When OJ's tools and strengths are more clear (after having played for several years) they will be maximized and he'll probably receive more touches/shots because he'll have proven his efficiency in certain spots and situations.

And finally, OJ isn't the kind of player that should dominate the ball (or not at this point anyway). Right now he's a lot more like Ben Gordon than he is Chauncey Billups. He absolutely is talented, but certain aspects of his game (like ball handling and taking his man off the dribble and going hard to the rim) need a lot of work for him to be the go to guy.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#170 » by tsherkin » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:57 pm

That's a nice POV, mid-post, thanks for that.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#171 » by mid-post » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:07 am

tsherkin wrote:That's a nice POV, mid-post, thanks for that.


Not at all. I like that the Grizzlies are somewhat relevant and that people have a degree of interest in them.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#172 » by ThreeYearPlan » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:26 am

I agree with the OP because Memphis will be a border line top 10 defense next year
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#173 » by Guy986 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:46 am

Vegas has the Grizzlies winning 40 games next season. If you think the Grizz are gonna be top 5(atleast 50 wins) put your money where ur mouth is. Go mortage your house and bet on them. EZ money right?

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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#174 » by orange_juice32 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:44 am

Guy986 wrote:Go mortage your house and bet on them. EZ money right?


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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#175 » by tsherkin » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:28 pm

MayoisMemphis wrote:I agree with the OP because Memphis will be a border line top 10 defense next year


You think they are going to leap 9+ spots in the league defensively without any major defensive additions? Why's that? Expecting a mad breakout year from Thabeet?
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#176 » by lilojmayo » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:27 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/group/1

Beautiful. underdogs on top. Man, O.J. Mayo going for that number 1 spot. 3-0 to start off preseason. Last year they were 0-8 in the preseason and started the season 1-8. Tied with Boston, Orlando with the best record in preseason.
Play Thunder tuesday, I see Grizz winning they are the better team and it is finally starting to show.


There is honestly not a single team in this league that an OJ Mayo, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph team can't beat, now they have a bench. Those guys are clicking and it is great to see.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#177 » by Wavy Q » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:29 pm

tsherkin wrote:
MayoisMemphis wrote:I agree with the OP because Memphis will be a border line top 10 defense next year


You think they are going to leap 9+ spots in the league defensively without any major defensive additions? Why's that? Expecting a mad breakout year from Thabeet?


Tony Allen will single handedly push them 9 spots up
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#178 » by Milkdud » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:18 pm

3-0 in preseason! Time to call the season and just give them the ship.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#179 » by DonKilluminati » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:23 pm

If the Grizz are top 5 in the West of all conferences, then I might finally be good looking enough to star in a pr0n film.
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Re: The Memphis Grizzlies are Top 5 in the West at this point 

Post#180 » by nonemus » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:44 pm

lilojmayo wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/standings/_/group/1

Beautiful. underdogs on top. Man, O.J. Mayo going for that number 1 spot. 3-0 to start off preseason. Last year they were 0-8 in the preseason and started the season 1-8. Tied with Boston, Orlando with the best record in preseason.
Play Thunder tuesday, I see Grizz winning they are the better team and it is finally starting to show.


There is honestly not a single team in this league that an OJ Mayo, Rudy Gay, Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph team can't beat, now they have a bench. Those guys are clicking and it is great to see.


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