Cade Cunningham should be an all star

[Wallace_Wallace]

Hopefully he gets in but he would have to beat out like 10 other guards:
Brunson/Haliburton/Lamelo/Mitchell/Herro
Garland/Maxey/Lillard/White/Young

A couple weeks ago I said I wasn't gonna be mad if he wasn't, but now his case is getting stronger and stronger. Besides Brunson/Garland/Mitchell (records & stats back them), you can't tell me those guys listed above have a case over Cade.

[dakomish23]

I'd be happy for him if he made it. He's been in a crappy situation to start his career and the team is finally having some mild success.

[ValvPiti]

Hopefully he gets in but he would have to beat out like 10 other guards:
Brunson/Haliburton/Lamelo/Mitchell/Herro
Garland/Maxey/Lillard/White/Young

A couple weeks ago I said I wasn't gonna be mad if he wasn't, but now his case is getting stronger and stronger. Besides Brunson/Garland/Mitchell (records & stats back them), you can't tell me those guys listed above have a case over Cade.

Nah bro please, your such a homer. I heard Tyler Herro was better

[whitehops]

cade's ball handling has been awesome this year. he's using behind the back dribbles and spins to functionally get to wherever he wants on the floor. this was a beauty from last night:

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[MavsDirk41]

Detroit almost 40 games in at .500? Yea he deserves to get in. He has been carrying this team.

[chilluminati]

cade's ball handling has been awesome this year. he's using behind the back dribbles and spins to functionally get to wherever he wants on the floor. this was a beauty from last night:

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Yeah that's one thing I always wanted him to improve on, not to be cliche but he needed a bag. In HS and at OSU he used a lot of big-body guard moves to get to the basket. When he got to the league it was pretty obvious that he couldn't just bully his way into the paint anymore. His move set struggled for a bit and his drives were very inefficient, he had to settle for bad middies or contested 3's far too often. But his handles have improved and has tremendously opened up his drive and kick game. A lot of his assists come from firing passes out of the post after beating his man. He's also caught up in strength as well, and some of his original big guard tactics are working again.

[DLoMor]

Unfortunately he’s going to be snubbed because the stupid coaches will vote Ball, Young, Brunson, Garland, Trae, Lillard, Herro over him.

[tsherkin]

cade's ball handling has been awesome this year. he's using behind the back dribbles and spins to functionally get to wherever he wants on the floor. this was a beauty from last night:

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It's a good display of how you don't always need super quickness to get it done. Nice move.

[tmorgan]

His transformation into prime Paul Pierce (plus better court vision) on offense is nearing completion.

[tmorgan]

And yeah, that’s why Cade is so fun to watch. He’s a unique player in the league. Big, not quick, not super fast (though he’ll surprise you), but always dictates pace and almost always seems in control (still needs some work on playing fatigued, he gets sloppy).

Just a cool guy on and off the court.

[Han Solo]

Cade is getting more confident in himself too. Proud of him.

[Uncle Mxy]

Unfortunately he’s going to be snubbed because the stupid coaches will vote Ball, Young, Brunson, Garland, Trae, Lillard, Herro over him.

I want him snubbed. I want him rested. I want him hungry. The All-Star game ain't worth much these days.

[7seventynine9]

Too bad Zion is always injured. I think him and Cade would be a great duo.

It would be interesting to see what Cade could do if the Pistons had any type of threat to score from inside.

[Blame Rasho]

I'd be happy for him if he made it. He's been in a crappy situation to start his career and the team is finally having some mild success.

I agree with you. I hope we don’t have to wait until he is on a good team to see him recognized. I mean they are over .500 but even casual nba fans don’t even know how good he is.

[lastb1ckman]

If the Heat stay around 5-6 in the east (ie above the pistons) is it really crazy that Herro get the nod over him? Herro has been killing it all season, has great stats, and the team has been better than the Pistons even with all the Jimmy drama.

[JonFromVA]

Just some pertinent Data. Not really niche. They are the most respected impact metrics.
I think the worst posts are those that are needlessly negative and make assumptions about other posters.

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche. They do have their role in player analysis but also have their flaws, like any metric. So they should be complementary to the other data, and using them as the primary basis to rank players and base a definitive opinion off is somewhat disingenuous.

These are currently among the best holistic, comprehensive metrics to measure overall impact on winning. Yes there are other more traditional statistics but they are much more narrow in what they aim to measure so they are much more prone to arbitrary cherry-picking and also they fail to integrate off-ball play and defense as they only capture statistical outputs.

Advanced impact metrics were the first to suggest that Jokic was actually solid on defense and that thereby he could be a championship-winning center, against common (and ultimately false) assumptions.

Just because the large majority of fans are ignorant to these metrics doesn't diminish in any way their relevance.

I'd argue the +/-, on/off, and lineup data which feeds those predictive models suggested it in real time, but yeah, fans don't like to listen to that either.

[tsherkin]

LEBRON and EPM are commonly quoted on this board so could be assumed to be widely known, but the majority of NBA fans would have no idea what you're talking about i.e. niche.

Sure, but the average NBA fan mostly doesn't understand the sport enough to articulate a quality opinion to begin with. They mostly spit out ESPN-type stuff and the quality of discussion you hear at a pub on game night. So what worth the majority when they rarely have anything of value to say?

[ijspeelman]

Want to preface that I have not done the exercise of figuring out who the all-stars should be and Cade def should be in the running (I like him better than Ball, Herro, and maybe Trae).

I would actually like to hear the argument for Cade way over Garland. I think its closer than ppl are giving it credit for. A big storyline for the Cavs has been Kenny limiting the starter minutes so Garland has played only about 30 mins per night whereas Cade is at 35 mins per night. Cade's per game stats pop compared to Garland, but when comparing per possession they look a lot more similar.

Per 100
Garland: 33.3 pts / 10.7 ast / 111 TS+
Cade: 33.2 pts / 12.7 ast / 96 TS+

Cade has a better on-off at +4.2, whereas Garland has +2.6, but when Garland is on the bench Mitchell is playing so there isn't going to be a huge drop off.

Just food for thought bc I think it challenges the idea of how we want to award all-stars. And I will say you should reward players for what happens on the court so I can't fault Cade for playing 5 more minutes per night.

[whitehops]

And yeah, that’s why Cade is so fun to watch. He’s a unique player in the league. Big, not quick, not super fast (though he’ll surprise you), but always dictates pace and almost always seems in control (still needs some work on playing fatigued, he gets sloppy).

Just a cool guy on and off the court.

i don't think anyone would ever accuse him of being an explosive athlete but his combination of shiftiness and strength lets him pull off moves that you don't normally see:

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[TheProfessor]

Hopefully he gets in but he would have to beat out like 10 other guards:
Brunson/Haliburton/Lamelo/Mitchell/Herro
Garland/Maxey/Lillard/White/Young

A couple weeks ago I said I wasn't gonna be mad if he wasn't, but now his case is getting stronger and stronger. Besides Brunson/Garland/Mitchell (records & stats back them), you can't tell me those guys listed above have a case over Cade.

Lillard is way better than Cade and its not even close. Equally terrible defensively but much better offensively. Defensive rebounds don't mean much.

Also every single player listed has better impact stats than Cade, Cade's offense is not that impactful and his defense is bad.