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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1661 » by Sofia » Sun Sep 8, 2019 12:59 am

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that is legal


No it isn't. Even in FIBA rules you can't grab the rim, which is what gobert did and why it should have been a violation.


he didn't grab the rim, he played at the ball and made simultaneous contact grazing the rim, so this confirms the sore losing

the spirit of the law is when players touch only the basket or backboard to shake the ball off


It was basket interference. From the rules:

• A player causes the basket to vibrate or grasps the basket in such a way that, in the judgement of an official, the ball has been prevented from entering the basket
or has been caused to enter the basket.


Essentially, if contact with the basket or backboard, whether intentional or incidental, is significant enough to prevent the ball from going in.

It is clear on the replay that the basket is moving side to side after the contact made by Gobert. That contact on the rim is significant enough to prevent the ball from entering the basket, which is what happened.

Goaltending. 1 point plus a technical foul.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1662 » by Jzh » Sun Sep 8, 2019 1:05 am

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How? They got screwed by the refs.



they didnt get screwed by the refs and complained that they got screwed by the refs


Uh, yes they did. Did you not see the free throw or something?


They got screwed on the last possession but overall they can't really complain. Refs were terrible both ways.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1663 » by The Rodzilla » Sun Sep 8, 2019 1:11 am

Sofia wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
No it isn't. Even in FIBA rules you can't grab the rim, which is what gobert did and why it should have been a violation.


he didn't grab the rim, he played at the ball and made simultaneous contact grazing the rim, so this confirms the sore losing

the spirit of the law is when players touch only the basket or backboard to shake the ball off


It was basket interference. From the rules:

• A player causes the basket to vibrate or grasps the basket in such a way that, in the judgement of an official, the ball has been prevented from entering the basket
or has been caused to enter the basket.


Essentially, if contact with the basket or backboard, whether intentional or incidental, is significant enough to prevent the ball from going in.

It is clear on the replay that the basket is moving side to side after the contact made by Gobert. That contact on the rim is significant enough to prevent the ball from entering the basket, which is what happened.

Goaltending. 1 point plus a technical foul.


the ball has to be prevented from entering the basket due to the vibration of the basket, in this case the ball was prevented from entering the basket because of the large gobert hand making contact with it and pounding it away

you are acting like he missed the ball
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1664 » by Sofia » Sun Sep 8, 2019 1:20 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
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he didn't grab the rim, he played at the ball and made simultaneous contact grazing the rim, so this confirms the sore losing

the spirit of the law is when players touch only the basket or backboard to shake the ball off


It was basket interference. From the rules:

• A player causes the basket to vibrate or grasps the basket in such a way that, in the judgement of an official, the ball has been prevented from entering the basket
or has been caused to enter the basket.


Essentially, if contact with the basket or backboard, whether intentional or incidental, is significant enough to prevent the ball from going in.

It is clear on the replay that the basket is moving side to side after the contact made by Gobert. That contact on the rim is significant enough to prevent the ball from entering the basket, which is what happened.

Goaltending. 1 point plus a technical foul.


the ball has to be prevented from entering the basket due to the vibration of the basket, in this case the ball was prevented from entering the basket because of the large gobert hand making contact with it and pounding it away

you are acting like he missed the ball


It doesn’t matter that he also touched the ball. The rule clearly states that the player can not touch the basket, which Gobert did.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1665 » by The Rodzilla » Sun Sep 8, 2019 1:25 am

Sofia wrote:It doesn’t matter that he also touched the ball. The rule clearly states that the player can not touch the basket, which Gobert did.


actually the rule clearly states that you can touch the basket

"A player causes the basket to vibrate or grasps the basket in such a way that, in the judgement of an official, the ball has been prevented from entering the basket
or has been caused to enter the basket."

"in such a way" indicates that there is a way to touch the basket, like if he went up and knocked the ball away but made incidental contact with the basket in the process
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1666 » by Hroz » Sun Sep 8, 2019 1:35 am

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Hroz wrote:Serbia vs Slovenia isn't even decided yet (at full strength)


It's very well decided. Slovenia is miles from the level of Serbia.


EuroBasket final says otherwise.

Next EuroBasket Slovenia will have a Doncic coming into his prime. I'm not sure it is?
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Post#1667 » by Hroz » Sun Sep 8, 2019 1:38 am

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Hroz wrote:Serbia vs Slovenia isn't even decided yet (at full strength)


Gee, here I was thinking everything that's already happened in the past has definitively been decided. What a dumb way to go about life! No wins against Canada have been decided yet either since they weren't at full strength.


I mean Slovenia won EuroBasket and will probably give next EuroBasket a run. Doncic is a gun after all.

Spain's legacy is multiple EuroBaskets. Serbia will need to do the same.

Right now Serbia hasn't even won anything yet.
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Post#1668 » by pootbrah » Sun Sep 8, 2019 5:34 am

Hroz wrote:
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Hroz wrote:Serbia vs Slovenia isn't even decided yet (at full strength)


Gee, here I was thinking everything that's already happened in the past has definitively been decided. What a dumb way to go about life! No wins against Canada have been decided yet either since they weren't at full strength.


I mean Slovenia won EuroBasket and will probably give next EuroBasket a run. Doncic is a gun after all.

Spain's legacy is multiple EuroBaskets. Serbia will need to do the same.

Right now Serbia hasn't even won anything yet.


Silver Olympic medal is nothing? May as well not even show up ay
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Post#1669 » by pootbrah » Sun Sep 8, 2019 5:41 am

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I only Saw highlights and was agree with him!
But then Friends who did see thé game told that "ok he is right for Gobert's goaltending, but hé can't be so angry against refs for the whole game, actually he can thanks them for 29 FTs"

And they also told me about Albicy's flopping ...


So, who Saw the whole game ? Did my Friends were objectives?

(I will see the whole game tomorrow)


Refs were questionable for both teams. I think coach was mad with lack of consistency there, was very hard to read reffing in this one.


Horrible reffing all game. Some soft as **** calls and a lot of incompetence but from unbiased eyes I didn't see it going one way or the other. Probably went more in Lithuanias favour because Gobert was in foul trouble all game and impact was largely taken away by the refs
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1670 » by kb24k » Sun Sep 8, 2019 6:10 am

The Rodzilla wrote:
Sofia wrote:It doesn’t matter that he also touched the ball. The rule clearly states that the player can not touch the basket, which Gobert did.


actually the rule clearly states that you can touch the basket

"A player causes the basket to vibrate or grasps the basket in such a way that, in the judgement of an official, the ball has been prevented from entering the basket
or has been caused to enter the basket."

"in such a way" indicates that there is a way to touch the basket, like if he went up and knocked the ball away but made incidental contact with the basket in the process


even fiba said the call was wrong and they fired the refs for this, so I am not sure why are we still arguing about that call.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1671 » by Hroz » Sun Sep 8, 2019 6:27 am

pootbrah wrote:
Hroz wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:
Gee, here I was thinking everything that's already happened in the past has definitively been decided. What a dumb way to go about life! No wins against Canada have been decided yet either since they weren't at full strength.


I mean Slovenia won EuroBasket and will probably give next EuroBasket a run. Doncic is a gun after all.

Spain's legacy is multiple EuroBaskets. Serbia will need to do the same.

Right now Serbia hasn't even won anything yet.


Silver Olympic medal is nothing? May as well not even show up ay


They're definitely one of the best teams of this generation. But I'm not ready to say they are the no 2 the of this generation. Is my main argument.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1672 » by darmani » Sun Sep 8, 2019 6:40 am

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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1673 » by stoo » Sun Sep 8, 2019 7:17 am

Serbia here... Is Spain good enough for you that it should count when we win?
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1674 » by Dez » Sun Sep 8, 2019 7:17 am

Damn that's cold blooded from FIBA.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1675 » by pootbrah » Sun Sep 8, 2019 7:24 am

they were atrocious all game haha so cant hate on fiba for that one.
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1676 » by TheNG » Sun Sep 8, 2019 7:41 am

stoo wrote:Serbia here... Is Spain good enough for you that it should count when we win?

Actually no, they're not so good this year.
Unless Serbia loses, and then it counts :lol:
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1677 » by The Rodzilla » Sun Sep 8, 2019 9:35 am

kb24k wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
Sofia wrote:It doesn’t matter that he also touched the ball. The rule clearly states that the player can not touch the basket, which Gobert did.


actually the rule clearly states that you can touch the basket

"A player causes the basket to vibrate or grasps the basket in such a way that, in the judgement of an official, the ball has been prevented from entering the basket
or has been caused to enter the basket."

"in such a way" indicates that there is a way to touch the basket, like if he went up and knocked the ball away but made incidental contact with the basket in the process


even fiba said the call was wrong and they fired the refs for this, so I am not sure why are we still arguing about that call.


because i am right and fiba is wrong or just trying to be politically correct to calm down lithuanian people

i think you will find that in most of those situations the player touches the ring at some point in the action so they should all be wiped off, think about this when you see it again next time

in fact sabonis with 6.25 remaining in the game holds the backboard causing vibration while the ball hits the rim and he tips it out, so in the interests of even-steven all lithuanian fans should stfu and enjoy the rest of the tournament comfortably
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1678 » by Showdown » Sun Sep 8, 2019 9:54 am

Salah Mejri had 8 blocks against Angola and they didn't count one block
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Re: FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 

Post#1679 » by seorang » Sun Sep 8, 2019 10:11 am

Woah Italy came back from 20 down
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Post#1680 » by UcanUwill » Sun Sep 8, 2019 10:12 am

Showdown wrote:Salah Mejri had 8 blocks against Angola and they didn't count one block


I remember one interview with him in Madrid, where he said he learned more about basketball in one year at Madrid, than what he learned playing number of years in Tunisia. Wonder what he could have been if he was in great program since teen years, wonder that about many African and Asian players, he and Hammed Haddadi needed to be on good Euro team programs since childhood, these guys had insane talent.

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