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Post#181 » by hyper316 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:11 pm

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Told y'all...it will be a miracle if they get through these finals without a big name getting covid.



I don't understand how vaccine works, aren't players vaccinated?


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Post#182 » by KIRAG » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:16 pm

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Told y'all...it will be a miracle if they get through these finals without a big name getting covid.



I don't understand how vaccine works, aren't players vaccinated?


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Re: NBA Finals: Milwaukee Bucks vs. Phoenix Suns, Part 3 | Series tied at 2 

Post#183 » by pj0tr » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:22 pm

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Since Bud complained about the refs in Game 1, the Bucks have shot at least 9+ more FTs in every game compared to the Suns. When Bud complained, its good strategy.

When Monty does it, its clearly complaining and not coaching his team well enough to try to get to the FT line.

Lol.


Lol is right, because it's convenient to ignore context and complain about a problem that doesn't actually exist.

This idea that Phoenix should shoot anywhere near the same amount of free throws as Milwaukee when Milwaukee is something like +46 points in the paint over the course of the series is flatly ridiculous. The Suns average 18.8 attempts per contest in this series inside of 5 feet. The Bucks average 32.8 attempts per contest in this series inside of 5 feet. It's comical to think that his team is "trying to get to the FT line" when these numbers make Phoenix look allergic to the restricted area when put up against Milwaukee's attempts.

In game 1, Milwaukee had 24 attempts inside of 5 feet and shot 54.2%, a number well below the team's baseline. Phoenix had 22 attempts inside of 5 feet and shot 72.7%. This A) indicates that Milwaukee was likely getting uncalled contact in that area given the abnormally low percentage, and B) should not have gone to the line 10 times less than Phoenix during that contest. That makes Bud's complaint, reasonable.

When Monty made HIS complaint after game three? Phoenix made 21 attempts inside of 5 feet and shot 62%. Milwaukee made 36 attempts and shot 67%. That speaks for itself.


So basically, the refs should just give more FTs to Milwaukee because of their playstyle, and ignore the Bucks slapping the Suns players hands and wrists on jumpshots?

Seems fairly logical. Yall wanna complain about Booker's should-have-been 6th, 7th, and 8th fouls, which are legit.

But go back and rewatch the first 3 Quarters of Game 4. Suns got called for some really stupid ticky-tack stuff, while the Bucks are allowed to body, hack, and body some more Booker, Paul, and Ayton.

The Bucks are literally beating the **** out of the Suns in terms of physicality when the Suns are on offense, and yet players like Giannis can literally just run into Ayton and get instant fouls called.

Bud just told Jrue Holiday, go and beat the living **** out of CP3. Thats the strategy in this series. And to his credit, Holiday has done it, and the refs haven't called it, so why deviate?
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Post#184 » by skones » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:27 pm

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So basically, the refs should just give more FTs to Milwaukee because of their playstyle, and ignore the Bucks slapping the Suns players hands and wrists on jumpshots?

Seems fairly logical. Yall wanna complain about Booker's should-have-been 6th, 7th, and 8th fouls, which are legit.

But go back and rewatch the first 3 Quarters of Game 4. Suns got called for some really stupid ticky-tack stuff, while the Bucks are allowed to body, hack, and body some more Booker, Paul, and Ayton.

The Bucks are literally beating the **** out of the Suns in terms of physicality when the Suns are on offense, and yet players like Giannis can literally just run into Ayton and get instant fouls called.

Bud just told Jrue Holiday, go and beat the living **** out of CP3. Thats the strategy in this series. And to his credit, Holiday has done it, and the refs haven't called it, so why deviate?


Now you're just building a straw man. The Bucks get more free throws because they get their shots in areas where a player is more likely to take contact. Jump shooters don't create contact. This isn't a novel concept. It's one everyone is wholly aware of. There's a reason you ignored the reality of my post which lays out a pretty plain argument as to why there's an actual disparity in foul shots taken. You're doubling down and complaining anyway out of delusion. It's really that simple.
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Post#185 » by Blood Orange » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:33 pm

Bucks got momentum going into this game and I expect them to steal one from the home team.
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Post#186 » by pj0tr » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:34 pm

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So basically, the refs should just give more FTs to Milwaukee because of their playstyle, and ignore the Bucks slapping the Suns players hands and wrists on jumpshots?

Seems fairly logical. Yall wanna complain about Booker's should-have-been 6th, 7th, and 8th fouls, which are legit.

But go back and rewatch the first 3 Quarters of Game 4. Suns got called for some really stupid ticky-tack stuff, while the Bucks are allowed to body, hack, and body some more Booker, Paul, and Ayton.

The Bucks are literally beating the **** out of the Suns in terms of physicality when the Suns are on offense, and yet players like Giannis can literally just run into Ayton and get instant fouls called.

Bud just told Jrue Holiday, go and beat the living **** out of CP3. Thats the strategy in this series. And to his credit, Holiday has done it, and the refs haven't called it, so why deviate?


Now you're just building a straw man. The Bucks get more free throws because they get their shots in areas where a player is more likely to take contact. Jump shooters don't create contact. This isn't a novel concept. It's one everyone is wholly aware of. There's a reason you ignored the reality of my post which lays out a pretty plain argument as to why there's an actual disparity in foul shots taken. You're doubling down and complaining anyway out of delusion. It's really that simple.


Did I argue any of the shooting numbers in the paint? No. DId I argue the number of shots in the paint and in the restricted area?

No.

Your point is this - given the math numbers of the shots in the paint and the lack of ones by the Suns, it just makes sense that the Bucks shoot more FTs. Which is fair.

But you ignore the other side of it. The Bucks are committing obvious fouls when they play defense which are not being called, and its largely being ignored because the Suns play a different style of offense, to the strengths of their team, than the Bucks.

EDIT: And also your point about the Bucks low shooting % in Game 1 makes no sense, especially considering Phoenix is actually one of the top teams in the playoffs at defending shots at the rim, given how well Ayton is played.

You're just taking statistics and using them, without really watching what is happening, and how the Suns have played against teams that have tried to punish them in the paint, like the Lakers.
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Re: NBA Finals: Milwaukee Bucks vs. Phoenix Suns, Part 3 | Series tied at 2 

Post#187 » by BigO » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:42 pm

pj0tr wrote:
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So basically, the refs should just give more FTs to Milwaukee because of their playstyle, and ignore the Bucks slapping the Suns players hands and wrists on jumpshots?

Seems fairly logical. Yall wanna complain about Booker's should-have-been 6th, 7th, and 8th fouls, which are legit.

But go back and rewatch the first 3 Quarters of Game 4. Suns got called for some really stupid ticky-tack stuff, while the Bucks are allowed to body, hack, and body some more Booker, Paul, and Ayton.

The Bucks are literally beating the **** out of the Suns in terms of physicality when the Suns are on offense, and yet players like Giannis can literally just run into Ayton and get instant fouls called.

Bud just told Jrue Holiday, go and beat the living **** out of CP3. Thats the strategy in this series. And to his credit, Holiday has done it, and the refs haven't called it, so why deviate?


Now you're just building a straw man. The Bucks get more free throws because they get their shots in areas where a player is more likely to take contact. Jump shooters don't create contact. This isn't a novel concept. It's one everyone is wholly aware of. There's a reason you ignored the reality of my post which lays out a pretty plain argument as to why there's an actual disparity in foul shots taken. You're doubling down and complaining anyway out of delusion. It's really that simple.


Did I argue any of the shooting numbers in the paint? No. DId I argue the number of shots in the paint and in the restricted area?

No.

Your point is this - given the math numbers of the shots in the paint and the lack of ones by the Suns, it just makes sense that the Bucks shoot more FTs. Which is fair.

But you ignore the other side of it. The Bucks are committing obvious fouls when they play defense which are not being called, and its largely being ignored because the Suns play a different style of offense, to the strengths of their team, than the Bucks.

EDIT: And also your point about the Bucks low shooting % in Game 1 makes no sense, especially considering Phoenix is actually one of the top teams in the playoffs at defending shots at the rim, given how well Ayton is played.

You're just taking statistics and using them, without really watching what is happening, and how the Suns have played against teams that have tried to punish them in the paint, like the Lakers.


Stop doubling down. The point about the Bucks attacking the basket significantly more than the Suns is a fact. Your subjective analysis that the Bucks are committing obvious fouls is NOT a fact. It's an opinion. There is a difference between fact and opinion.

Or to put it a way you can understand, "it's obvious the Bucks are not committing fouls when they play defense". Now we have two different opinions.
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Post#188 » by BigDan245 » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:46 pm

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Post#189 » by pj0tr » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:47 pm

BigO wrote:
pj0tr wrote:
skones wrote:
Now you're just building a straw man. The Bucks get more free throws because they get their shots in areas where a player is more likely to take contact. Jump shooters don't create contact. This isn't a novel concept. It's one everyone is wholly aware of. There's a reason you ignored the reality of my post which lays out a pretty plain argument as to why there's an actual disparity in foul shots taken. You're doubling down and complaining anyway out of delusion. It's really that simple.


Did I argue any of the shooting numbers in the paint? No. DId I argue the number of shots in the paint and in the restricted area?

No.

Your point is this - given the math numbers of the shots in the paint and the lack of ones by the Suns, it just makes sense that the Bucks shoot more FTs. Which is fair.

But you ignore the other side of it. The Bucks are committing obvious fouls when they play defense which are not being called, and its largely being ignored because the Suns play a different style of offense, to the strengths of their team, than the Bucks.

EDIT: And also your point about the Bucks low shooting % in Game 1 makes no sense, especially considering Phoenix is actually one of the top teams in the playoffs at defending shots at the rim, given how well Ayton is played.

You're just taking statistics and using them, without really watching what is happening, and how the Suns have played against teams that have tried to punish them in the paint, like the Lakers.


Stop doubling down. The point about the Bucks attacking the basket significantly more than the Suns is a fact. Your subjective analysis that the Bucks are committing obvious fouls is NOT a fact. It's an opinion. there is a difference between fact and opinion.

Or to put it a way you can understand, "it's obvious the Bucks are not committing fouls when they play defense". Now we have two different opinions.


Do you know how stupid you sound? Officials literally call fouls based on their own views from what is happening in the game. THat in itself can vary from from game to game for a number of significant factors - the problem is the consistency in how they call things which are considered obvious fouls in the rules, and things that aren't.

Your argument is literally this (in a way you can understand): The Suns commit fouls, the Bucks don't. Therefore the Bucks should shoot more FTs.

(And you literally ignore everything else by just looking at the numbers - great analysis on your part.)
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Post#190 » by DirtybirdGA » Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:52 pm

Nice catching up with Tom chambers on NBA tv pregame.
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Post#191 » by Pachinko_ » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:00 am

Lets start over Suns. Best of three, you got home. Lets gooooooooooo
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Post#192 » by MrPerfect1 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:07 am

LUKE23 wrote:Of course the Bucks have to overcome Marc Davis in the biggest game of the series.


Games 3 and 4 were bigger.

-Going down 3-0 means the series is a wrap.

-Going down 3-1 is almost for surely a wrap.

-Going down 3-2 is more realistic to overcome.
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Post#193 » by KIRAG » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:24 am

I like this little feature of NBA TV where they interviewed Jae and Devin's former NBA players fathers
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Post#194 » by Nate505 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:25 am

Do they televise player intros in the Finals anymore? The one time I got to watch the game from the beginning I didn't see it.

If not that's a shame. To this day I still associate that Alan Parsons Project song with Jordan and the Bulls.
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Post#195 » by azcatz11 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:35 am

Jalen rose talking about getting vaccinated makes me want to get unvaccinated
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Post#196 » by Ducklett » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:50 am

azcatz11 wrote:Jalen rose talking about getting vaccinated makes me want to get unvaccinated


Dude could talk Newton off of his three laws by simply agreeing with him.
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Post#197 » by Reeko » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:00 am

Maria Taylor is looking very chipper now that she has that contract extension.
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Post#198 » by cjx » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:09 am

Sup my erudite RealGM fam! Tonight is the game of the year! Let's roll, folks!
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Post#199 » by Reeko » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:10 am

Lol not a mask to be seen in the stands, what else did they expect?
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Post#200 » by Reeko » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:12 am

Bron's shades look to small for his head.
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