(Thread has been bumped) SHAMS: Grizzlies Trading Valunciunas + Nos. 17 & 51 Picks to NOLA for Adams, Bledsoe, Draft Pix

Bologna Smasher · Post #181 » by **Bologna Smasher** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:46 pm

VCfor3 wrote:
Bologna Smasher wrote:Not sure if anyone else pointed it out, but this means the end of the Justise Winslow era in Memphis. The trade won't be completed until after the draft.

Unless we resign him with the Room Exception after declining the team option lol.

But if I was Winslow I'd see what the Memphis team looks like after the next few days before even considering if I would return or not on a cheaper deal. If there isn't clear playing time available for him I think he should look elsewhere for a prove it deal.

Yeah, I think it would be in his best interest to move on. He has a lot of guys ahead of him on that roster.

Slim Charless · Post #182 » by **Slim Charless** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:50 pm

donato wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:clearly MEM. Two likely lottery picks and #40, they can easily get out of Bledsoe's contract and Adams actually fits well with their roster. Put it this way, which one of these teams do you think is better next season? Hint, it's the same team that is also set up better for the future. The answer is MEM in case you aren't following. And it's not at all surprising that realgm is getting it wrong like they do after almost every trade

Two likely lottery picks? How? Yes, they got #10. But you think the Lakers are in the lottery next year? And even if they are the pick is top 10 protected that becomes two 2nd rounders if it doesn't convey. So you're telling us the Laker pick will definitely be number 11, 12, 13 or 14 next year. Oddly specific for sure.

If they have the same injury luck, it's not crazy. The post ASB Lakers were about that level of play. Who knows if Street Clothes and Old Man Bron can do it again.

FlyingArrow · Post #183 » by **FlyingArrow** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:17 am

What happens to the protected 1st if it does come in as from #1-10? Does it convert to 2nd rd picks? Convert to the next year's 1st rd pick? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, and it seemed somewhat relevant. Sorry if it's already been mentioned in this thread.

Ayt · Post #184 » by **Ayt** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:24 am

John Murdoch wrote:
Bologna Smasher wrote:I think this trade works out for both teams. Each team gets what they want. Memphis must be really high on someone, though.

I'm sad to see Valanciunas getting bounced around again. Hopefully he can help take the Pelicans to the next stage.

Spacing will be once again an issue for Zion now , nobody falls for jonas pump fake 3 ball

Now? How was the spacing with Adams? Val is much better operating outside of the paint than Adams.

DaPessimist · Post #185 » by **DaPessimist** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:30 am

I'm guessing Jonas wanted out, and made that clear to Memphis.

This is an upgrade for the Pelicans, but I'm not sure it really moves the needle. They still have a PF - C combo that doesn't shoot from the perimeter.

donato · Post #186 » by **donato** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:38 am

FlyingArrow wrote:What happens to the protected 1st if it does come in as from #1-10? Does it convert to 2nd rd picks? Convert to the next year's 1st rd pick? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, and it seemed somewhat relevant. Sorry if it's already been mentioned in this thread.

Converts to 2 second rounders.

donato · Post #187 » by **donato** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:41 am

Slim Charless wrote:
donato wrote:
BostonCouchGM wrote:clearly MEM. Two likely lottery picks and #40, they can easily get out of Bledsoe's contract and Adams actually fits well with their roster. Put it this way, which one of these teams do you think is better next season? Hint, it's the same team that is also set up better for the future. The answer is MEM in case you aren't following. And it's not at all surprising that realgm is getting it wrong like they do after almost every trade

Two likely lottery picks? How? Yes, they got #10. But you think the Lakers are in the lottery next year? And even if they are the pick is top 10 protected that becomes two 2nd rounders if it doesn't convey. So you're telling us the Laker pick will definitely be number 11, 12, 13 or 14 next year. Oddly specific for sure.

If they have the same injury luck, it's not crazy. The post ASB Lakers were about that level of play. Who knows if Street Clothes and Old Man Bron can do it again.

It's a 4 in 30 chance. Or 13.3%. Sure, it's possible they JUST miss the playoffs and end up there. I think if you have a catastrophic AD or Lebron injury you're probably in the top 10 which the Pelicans would keep and Memphis would get 2 second rounders. If you don't have that, which we are all expecting, you're clearly picking in the 20's.

durden_tyler · Post #188 » by **durden_tyler** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:42 am

Great move for Grizz. Adams is the better fit. Valanciunas is way better on offense but it's not like that will work long-term if they want to be contenders....

DroseReturnChi · Post #189 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:42 am

clyde21 wrote:
they have Adams for that if they need a big body in the paint...but you can't keep holding on to JV forever, they drafted JJJ for a reason and he needs to start and get his minutes, period.

not sure what u guys are really arguing at this point...should they not have done this trade to keep JV? yea...no. ill gladly hand the keys to JJJ and take the 10th pick and the another 1st next year.

Makes no sense to give up top 10 center for nothing when JJJ is a bust from availability alone. Seems like memphis is giving up next 2 yrs and waving the white flag under the name of flexibility.

getting 2 picks for salary dump is all they got and it looks like they are surrendering lakers pick to get rid of bledsoe. all they did was get 50mil of garbage to move up 7 spots but they made a blockbuster trade for this.

ElectricMayhem · Post #190 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:45 am

My instant reaction is that I really don't like this for Memphis. And I don't like that I don't like it for Memphis because I like Memphis. Val has been integral to Memphis' success/growth and I felt like he had good on-court chemistry. He fit well. Now they have two vets on bad contracts just to move up 7 spots and a late 2022 first? They're planning on moving Bledsoe. That will likely cost assets. There are rumors that they want to move up further. That will cost more assets. Also, this is a draft where, depending on the mock, you'll see a guy in the Top 10 in one place who is 22nd in another. No idea who is actually going to be available. I will give Memphis some allowances, though:
*They're obviously interested in some players likely to be available earlier in the draft that aren't available later. Memphis has shown recently that you've got to trust their scouting department.
*Maybe Val requested a trade and this was the best way to get a similar player and something back.
*Memphis does eventually need to combine assets for talent. They had too many quality players with not enough minutes to play them all when everyone was healthy last year.
*Maybe they've already sussed out a way to unload Bledsoe at a low cost (but if so, why didn't New Orleans find it?)
*If this trade gets Lowry to New Orleans, it perhaps creates a bigger market for Bledsoe.

Profound23 · Post #191 » by **Profound23** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:46 am

Memphis must really love someone that they feel will be there at pick #10....or they plan to move up more?

Valunciunas is a good player imo. Eric and Morant don't go together, wonder if they plan to just buy him out?

_qubik · Post #192 » by **_qubik** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:48 am

For me its a win for Memphis, they climbed up, Adams isnt as good offensively as JV, but he is a good starter, Bledsoe has a small guaranteed salary, they added a pick at the end of the next year first round too. Solid value, they werent contending with JV, their core is much younger. And by today standards Adams extension isnt all that big

hyper316 · Post #193 » by **hyper316** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:52 am

I have a feeling NOLA will go after Chris Paul instead of Kyle Lowry in FA, something like $100M over 3 years. Get NOLA to playoffs and keep Zion happy

Profound23 · Post #194 » by **Profound23** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:54 am

hyper316 wrote:I have a feeling NOLA will go after Chris Paul instead of Kyle Lowry in FA, something like $100M over 3 years. Get NOLA to playoffs and keep Zion happy

That would be a good move for this year imo. Maybe a way to retain Zion as well. I like it.

We saw what CP3 did for Ayton's career, he would have a bigger impact on Zion's career.

FlyingArrow · Post #195 » by **FlyingArrow** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:56 am

donato wrote:
FlyingArrow wrote:What happens to the protected 1st if it does come in as from #1-10? Does it convert to 2nd rd picks? Convert to the next year's 1st rd pick? I didn't see that mentioned anywhere, and it seemed somewhat relevant. Sorry if it's already been mentioned in this thread.

Converts to 2 second rounders.

I don't understand why teams agree to stuff like that. "Yeah, if you get lucky then we'll take garbage, thanks!" They should push to have protected picks convert to the next year's 1st with fewer protections.

Teal25 · Post #196 » by **Teal25** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:58 am

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Neither team won this. Griffin is beyond terrible gm who is just wasting assets at this point. Grizzlies gave up the better player and took on two of the worst contracts in the league to move up 7 spots.

drone3 · Post #197 » by **drone3** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:58 am

_qubik wrote:For me its a win for Memphis, they climbed up, Adams isnt as good offensively as JV, but he is a good starter, Bledsoe has a small guaranteed salary, they added a pick at the end of the next year first round too. Solid value, they werent contending with JV, their core is much younger. And by today standards Adams extension isnt all that big

Agree with this, like it for Grizz. Also Bledsoes D can't be underated, he can lock down guards when needed.

Whole Truth · Post #198 » by **Whole Truth** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:00 am

DaPessimist wrote:I'm guessing Jonas wanted out, and made that clear to Memphis.

This is an upgrade for the Pelicans, but I'm not sure it really moves the needle. They still have a PF - C combo that doesn't shoot from the perimeter.

Ask any Raptors fan, Jonas is a no fuss team first player. He's 29 & expiring next year. 3J & JA are 22. Memphis are simply resetting his value to #10 before potentially not resigning or losing him to FA.

_qubik · Post #199 » by **_qubik** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:04 am

Jadoogar wrote:
clyde21 wrote:yall don't understand this from Memphis perspective, JV was useless for them, it was time to give the 5 hole to JJJ anyways, and they have Tillman rook from last year as well...Adams is just filler/bench mob guy at this point for them

the guy they will get @ 10 we're talking in the Jalen Johnson or Jonathan Kuminga category vs. the guy they could've gotten @ 17, and you're adding next year's Lakers pick on top of it.

JV was low key the grizz's most important player.

Thats exactly why they should have traded, where you going with JV as your best player ? Clearly they need more time and assets to improve the team, also they are doing great in recent drafts. Who knows, maybe they find 2 players more valuable than any of the involved in the trade in this year draft and the next one

Dacost · Post #200 » by **Dacost** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:32 am

Alot of people forget that Jonas is one of the worst defenders in NBA especially with JA.

Who won this trade?