NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

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Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)

Giannis Antetokounmpo
50
17%
Luka Doncic
45
15%
Kevin Durant
1
0%
Anthony Edwards
3
1%
Joel Embiid
61
21%
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
41
14%
Tyrese Haliburton
8
3%
Nikola Jokic
64
22%
Jayson Tatum
7
2%
Other (Kawhi, Curry, Booker, Fox, Gobert, LeBron, AD, Etc.)
11
4%
 
Total votes: 291

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Post#1821 » by AleksandarN » Mon Jan 8, 2024 3:57 am

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Cool, whilst I do that, do yourself a favour and watch some Bucks games, and it kinda becomes obvious.

I've definitely watched my fair share of Bucks games. In the playoffs, and when the chips are down, I take Giannis. But the stats don't lie. I ran the numbers for every regular season possession since the beginning of 19/20.

With Giannis, without Brook: 4959 possessions, 110.96 DRTG
With Brook, without Giannis: 3090 possessions, 110.97 DRTG

That's easily enough of a sample to say that Bucks are mostly fine defensively without Giannis because they have Brook.


You clearly don’t watch the games because Brook isn’t good defensively this year. Riddle me this, Brook has been a POOR defender all his career until he came to the bucks. How in the hell do you think he magically became better? Hint: he didn’t

Bro chill. No need to go all Riddler on him.
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Post#1822 » by WhatTheBuck » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:06 am

bigboi wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:
WhatTheBuck wrote:
Cool, whilst I do that, do yourself a favour and watch some Bucks games, and it kinda becomes obvious.

I've definitely watched my fair share of Bucks games. In the playoffs, and when the chips are down, I take Giannis. But the stats don't lie. I ran the numbers for every regular season possession since the beginning of 19/20.

With Giannis, without Brook: 4959 possessions, 110.96 DRTG
With Brook, without Giannis: 3090 possessions, 110.97 DRTG

That's easily enough of a sample to say that Bucks are mostly fine defensively without Giannis because they have Brook.


You clearly don’t watch the games because Brook isn’t good defensively this year. Riddle me this, Brook has been a POOR defender all his career until he came to the bucks. How in the hell do you think he magically became better? Hint: he didn’t


Unfortunately, the answer to such riddles can't be found in stat sheets.
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Post#1823 » by AleksandarN » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:21 am

I think he is bored and wanted to do a side quest today. Probably upset he had to take 3 shots
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Post#1824 » by Special_Puppy » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:23 am

[/quote]

You clearly don’t watch the games because Brook isn’t good defensively this year. Riddle me this, Brook has been a POOR defender all his career until he came to the bucks. How in the hell do you think he magically became better? Hint: he didn’t[/quote]

Calling Bucks-era Brook Lopez a poor defender is insane.
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Post#1825 » by Wolfgang630 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:25 am

AleksandarN wrote:I think he is bored and wanted to do a side quest today. Probably upset he had to take 3 shots
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Jokic finished the main quest. He’s just doing side quests now.
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Post#1826 » by turnaroundJ » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:35 am

embiid probably happy with jokic's 4 pts stat line today
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Post#1827 » by LordCovington33 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:37 am

I think it’s a little bit meaningless including Embiid at this point. I don’t think he will hit the game minimum and I rather him rest more. He’s been hobbling since the ankle injury, which annoyed me immensely when he continued playing in the fourth. No excuses for that. I do not think he should return till he has fully recovered. One injury can lead to another injury, which was evident from knee soreness - possibly favouring one ankle more than the other.
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Post#1828 » by LordCovington33 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:39 am

turnaroundJ wrote:embiid probably happy with jokic's 4 pts stat line today

I am confident he’s not as petty as some of the posters here. Plus, I don’t think Jokic is the frontrunner right now anyway. There are other players having a better season.
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Post#1829 » by Wolfgang630 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:39 am

LordCovington33 wrote:I think it’s a little bit meaningless including Embiid at this point. I don’t think he will hit the game minimum and I rather him rest more. He’s been hobbling since the ankle injury, which annoyed me immensely when he continued playing in the fourth. No excuses for that. I do not think he should return till he has fully recovered. One injury can lead to another injury, which was evident from knee soreness - possibly favouring one ankle more than the other.

Yeah you know how this goes. Overcompensation on the other leg for issues on one leg. This can compound problems
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Post#1830 » by Oscar9992 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:40 am

turnaroundJ wrote:embiid probably happy with jokic's 4 pts stat line today


To be fair Jokic didn't even try to shoot & score today.
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Post#1831 » by Wolfgang630 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:40 am

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Post#1832 » by AleksandarN » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:41 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
turnaroundJ wrote:embiid probably happy with jokic's 4 pts stat line today

I am confident he’s not as petty as some of the posters here. Plus, I don’t think Jokic is the frontrunner right now anyway. There are other players having a better season.

True and I think jokic doesn’t care about the MVP to be honest.
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Post#1833 » by WhatTheBuck » Mon Jan 8, 2024 4:45 am

Special_Puppy wrote:


You clearly don’t watch the games because Brook isn’t good defensively this year. Riddle me this, Brook has been a POOR defender all his career until he came to the bucks. How in the hell do you think he magically became better? Hint: he didn’t[/quote]

Calling Bucks-era Brook Lopez a poor defender is insane.[/quote]

He's a good rim protector, but horrific at everything else. Again, something that's blatantly obvious if you watch Bucks games.
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Post#1834 » by Wolfgang630 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 5:05 am

If Jokic didn’t have the playoff run last year he’d get crapped on for these 3 fga games. But because we know how much he can turn it up in the playoffs ,when it matters, it doesn’t bother anyone.
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Post#1835 » by Cubbies2120 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 5:07 am

I wonder if Jokic would be allowed to 'opt out' of MVP voting officially, since he's essentially doing it with games like tonight :lol:
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Post#1836 » by Gatorade Sax » Mon Jan 8, 2024 6:42 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:lol

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Just grabbed himself a record that I can’t see being broken any time soon..your move Embiid 8-)
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Post#1837 » by Johnny Firpo » Mon Jan 8, 2024 8:17 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:I wonder if Jokic would be allowed to 'opt out' of MVP voting officially, since he's essentially doing it with games like tonight :lol:


I don't think a game like this hurts his chances that much to be honest. It's a good narrative once again that he only cares about his team, and also how much of a point guard he really is.
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Post#1838 » by LordCovington33 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:16 am

AleksandarN wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
turnaroundJ wrote:embiid probably happy with jokic's 4 pts stat line today

I am confident he’s not as petty as some of the posters here. Plus, I don’t think Jokic is the frontrunner right now anyway. There are other players having a better season.

True and I think jokic doesn’t care about the MVP to be honest.

Of course he cares. Anybody with a competitive spirit wants to be seen as the best at something. However, he probably cares more about winning another championship and trying new tactics to improve those odds.
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Post#1839 » by Oscar9992 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 9:17 am

Embiid is clear front runner right now.

Meanwhile Jokic is eyeing another title.
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Post#1840 » by Wolfgang630 » Mon Jan 8, 2024 10:39 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:I wonder if Jokic would be allowed to 'opt out' of MVP voting officially, since he's essentially doing it with games like tonight :lol:


I don't think a game like this hurts his chances that much to be honest. It's a good narrative once again that he only cares about his team, and also how much of a point guard he really is.

I agree. PPG is not some standard for winning MVP. He’s showing his versatility and it gives the Nuggets a different look come playoff time. Imagine in the playoffs they face the Wolves. He’ll have multiple big guys on him. It’s preparation for everyone to know how it’ll work if he has to take low field goal attempts.

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