NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[Chessboxer]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -

It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

Really, Is this where we are going? So anytime Jokic underperforms now its because "he didn't feel like it"? Its a childish pathetic excuse, and although I'm not a big Jokic fan, I assume he's a better competitor than that. No elite player doesn't care if they get dominated on national television in front of millions of viewers, especially another elite player who plays the same position. Better to say he had a bad game and move on.

[CobraCommander]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -

It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

Really, Is this where we are going? So anytime Jokic underperforms now its because "he didn't feel like it"? Its a childish pathetic excuse, and although I'm not a big Jokic fan, I assume he's a better competitor than that. No elite player doesn't care if they get dominated on national television in front of millions of viewers, especially another elite player who plays the same position. Better to say he had a bad game and move on.

Naw- so I don’t know Jokic, but in my opinion Jokic has no reason to get up to play Embiid....and Embiid has alll the reason in the world to get up to play Jokic


he had a avg Jokic game and they lost...he shot less shots than normal and had 7 TOs

while Embiid shot a ton more shots had 6 TOs and ultimately WON...so great game Embiid.

But from my standpoint Jokic just played his game and Embiid got up to play Jokic....

[Mick Dundee]

Appears to me that the MVP is the most important of all things in Basketball.

Hell, not even the Championship itself is more important.

Wherever you look on Social Media, the MVP Race is the prime Topic.

Everything else is worth a Sidenote at best.

In reality though, the MVP means nothing.

It's like me and you guys voting on who the most Valuable Rocket Scientist is.

I do not even possess the c of a clue about Rocket Science.

But I probably do know more about it, than all the fat Journalists, Analysts and Sportswriters do know about Basketball.

Or any other Sport for that matter.

I do grant the Nuggets Fans a 3-Peat MVP though.

Not just because Embiid, albeit a great Player and phenomenal Scorer,
is unasthaetic to my eye and almost causes me physical pain, when I watch him slouch the court like a potatoe sack.

Aesthetics and Entertainment Factor is something I personally value, although I know that it is absoultely meaningless.

No.

But fans in Denver never had anything.

No MVPs. No Championships. No players worth mentioning within the realm of the best players in history.

Nothing.

The 6er Fans, on the other hand, have multiple Championships and seven MVPs to their Name.

As do the Celtics. The Mavs and the Warriors, to just meantion a few actual Contenders.

The Nuggets are unlikely to win a Championship. Ever. Or at least won't in our Lifetimes.

So even though the MVP is nothing that carries actual value in reality, I do hope that Jokic wins it a 3rd time
in order for the Nuggets Fans to gain some bragging rights.

And for me personally, to witness a 3-Peat-MVP in my Lifetime.

[HotelVitale]

This game should give Embiid fans some hope that he is one of the MVP candidates behind jokic with Luka, Giannis, Tatum, KD and Curry… you know - just like last week and the week before.

One thing for certain - one of these guys took this serious and wanted to prove a point and the other one thought - it’s Saturday “who we playing”?:..

Hint on who took it personally - the guy that avg 21 fga went out there are put up 31 SHOTS

The other guy puts up 15 FGA a game and put up 12… and made 8 of those..: you know - “I’m not trying to force it and prove a point cause I got 2 MOSTvaluable player awards by playing my way… I’m not gonna change today -

It’s a good game but doesn’t change much for me…. I don’t expect Jokic to attempt to go get numbers against his rivals because honestly he doesn’t really see Embiid as a rival- his only real rival is probably Giannis because he has two MVPs too and a chip. And maybe the other guys like KD, Curry and the ones that have MVPs and rings… but Embiid is an upstart and is trying to pull himself into the convoy.


Honestly tho… I love that Embiid took this personally and I love that Jokic didn’t… it suits them both.

Embiid like “SEE I am as good as him”

Jokic is like - “yeah Embiid is pretty good… I wish we won tonight - we have a lot to work on if we want a ring”

Perfect

Really, Is this where we are going? So anytime Jokic underperforms now its because "he didn't feel like it"? Its a childish pathetic excuse, and although I'm not a big Jokic fan, I assume he's a better competitor than that. No elite player doesn't care if they get dominated on national television in front of millions of viewers, especially another elite player who plays the same position. Better to say he had a bad game and move on.

Naw- so I don’t know Jokic, but in my opinion Jokic has no reason to get up to play Embiid....and Embiid has alll the reason in the world to get up to play Jokic


he had a avg Jokic game and they lost...he shot less shots than normal and had 7 TOs

while Embiid shot a ton more shots had 6 TOs and ultimately WON...so great game Embiid.

But from my standpoint Jokic just played his game and Embiid got up to play Jokic....

I agree Embiid was a lot more motivated by this game (and often looks dumb when he’s doing that) but you have to see how goofy the argument that Jokic just ‘shot less’ and Embiid ‘shot more’ is. That’s like arguing that Giannis and PJ Tucker are pretty similar but Giannis just tends to shoot quite a bite more most games.

Also Jokic didn’t look very good for most of the 2nd half last night while Embiid kept hitting key shots and looked really impactful on defense. Joel scored 47 and he took this game, it was just one game but no need to cloak it in any other little phrases or clauses.

[HotRocks34]

Letdown game for the Sixers and Embiid (Orlando wins in Philly).

[p0peye]

I just popped in to say that Mo Wagner needs to be in this conversation after smoking Embiid last night.

[-Luke-]

I just popped in to say that Mo Wagner needs to be in this conversation after smoking Embiid last night.

1. Franz
2. Mo
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3. Jokic

[p0peye]

I just popped in to say that Mo Wagner needs to be in this conversation after smoking Embiid last night.

1. Franz
2. Mo
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3. Jokic

Jury is still out there on Mo smoking Jokic as the matchup on Jan 16th didn't quite reach the levels needed, but narrative on Mo being more deserving than Embiid is forming.

[Feed Your Head]

Here’s some Denver lineup data, all per CTG.

Jokic on the court: +12.8, 98th percentile
Jokic off the court: -10.0, 7th percentile

Gordon/Murray/KCP on, Jokic off: -1.5, 39th percentile.
Jokic on, KCP/Murray/Gordon off: -11.3, 5th percentile. Only 147 possessions though, as Denver doesn’t really stagger their starters.

Jokic/KCP on, Murray/Gordon off: +13.6, 98th percentile.

Murray on, Jokic off: -9.2, 10th percentile.
Jokic on, Murray off: +12.1, 98th percentile.

Gordon on, Jokic off: -0.6, 44th percentile.
Jokic on, Gordon off: +3.8, 76th percentile.

KCP on, Jokic off: +0.8, 54th percentile.
Jokic on, KCP off: +3.0, 71st percentile.

MPJ on, Jokic off: -6.5, 18th percentile.
Jokic on, MPJ off: +10.3, 96th percentile.

Jokic on, Bones off: +15.1, 99th percentile, on 2422 possessions.
Bones on, Jokic of: -15.7, 2nd percentile. Bones has been a huge disappointment this season.

There’s not as much combos to look at with them, as they usually keep their starters together and same for the bench, but there’s no question that Jokic has been incredibly valuable, and they have been infinitely worse without him.

One thing the on/off showed that matches my eye test when watching them is how important KCP has been this season. I liked Monte a lot, but Pope is as perfect a fit off of Jokic that any role player could be.

[Sharkboy242]

Embiid is my MVP for now... But its only January. We can't stop the count yet.

[LessEyeTest]

Here’s some Denver lineup data, all per CTG.

Jokic on the court: +12.8, 98th percentile
Jokic off the court: -10.0, 7th percentile

Gordon/Murray/KCP on, Jokic off: -1.5, 39th percentile.
Jokic on, KCP/Murray/Gordon off: -11.3, 5th percentile. Only 147 possessions though, as Denver doesn’t really stagger their starters.

Jokic/KCP on, Murray/Gordon off: +13.6, 98th percentile.

Murray on, Jokic off: -9.2, 10th percentile.
Jokic on, Murray off: +12.1, 98th percentile.

Gordon on, Jokic off: -0.6, 44th percentile.
Jokic on, Gordon off: +3.8, 76th percentile.

KCP on, Jokic off: +0.8, 54th percentile.
Jokic on, KCP off: +3.0, 71st percentile.

MPJ on, Jokic off: -6.5, 18th percentile.
Jokic on, MPJ off: +10.3, 96th percentile.

Jokic on, Bones off: +15.1, 99th percentile, on 2422 possessions.
Bones on, Jokic of: -15.7, 2nd percentile. Bones has been a huge disappointment this season.

There’s not as much combos to look at with them, as they usually keep their starters together and same for the bench, but there’s no question that Jokic has been incredibly valuable, and they have been infinitely worse without him.

One thing the on/off showed that matches my eye test when watching them is how important KCP has been this season. I liked Monte a lot, but Pope is as perfect a fit off of Jokic that any role player could be.

I love you. Thank you for all that data. May I ask where you got it from?

[Johnny Firpo]

26/18/15 on 71% shooting, just a class above the rest. Voting fatigue is really the only chance for anyone else.

[RB34]

Embiid is my MVP for now... But its only January. We can't stop the count yet.

The ebbs and flows of the season. Holy hell. Has there been any other time in league history where you have to be almost flawless?

After the Nuggets v Sixers game it looked like Embiid. He had an off game and lost to the Magic.

Now it looks like Joker again after his monster game.

Tomorrow Giannis or Luka might put up 60..

[B-easy]

Philly without Embiid. 8-4
Denver without Jokic 3-4.

Embiid is second for me but there is a sizable gap between 1 and 2.

[rocketsfan100]

Philly without Embiid. 8-4
Denver without Jokic 3-4.

Embiid is second for me but there is a sizable gap between 1 and 2.

Philly has Harden who can carry a team when Embiid sits and the Nuggets have Murray who is a ok player. Maxey is no slouch either

[scrabbarista]

Embiid is my MVP for now... But its only January. We can't stop the count yet.

I thought you were a Jokic fan?

Trying to "unfatigue" the conversation so he's fresh again when it's time to vote for real?

I see what you're doing!

[BigGargamel]

Embiid won his Super Bowl the other night. Congratulations for him. He was great.

Jokic is the MVP by every metric. One game does not a MVP make. Stop being so fickle.

[AleksandarN]

With tonight’s game jokic is now averaging a triple double. A Center is averaging a triple double on over 70 percent true shooting. I bet you if someone posted this 5 years ago that jokic would be averaging a triple double you would be laughed off this message board. But here we are

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[Ballerhogger]

Luka has had 4 50 point games. Avg 33 pg I think that will weigh heavy in his favor for mvp votes

[AleksandarN]

Luka has had 4 50 point games. Avg 33 pg I think that will weigh heavy in his favor for mvp votes

Mavs would have to win at least 48 games and even then I don’t think it will matter. Luka’s numbers are phenomenal he is just going against a Center who is now averaging a triple double on 70 percent true shooting that has the best record in the west and 2nd best overall record. I mean what argument is there left? Other than voter fatigue