SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks

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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#21 » by XTC » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:15 pm

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XTC wrote:Lmao Grimes is better than Martin... wtf is Nico doing???


eh. Same level player, but Grimes does have better playmaking chops (tho still below average). For a team that now has 1 above average perimeter playmaker (Kyrie), trading anyone who can dribble the ball at any level for someone who cant does seem weird tho. But there's no real difference in the level of player and i think most teams would take the extra size with Caleb


Quentin Grimes is a 24 year old 3+D guard, who gets better every year.

Caleb Martin has size, but I don't think he's a better basketball player than Grimes and he's 5 years older.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#22 » by Froob » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:16 pm

azcatz11 wrote:They're in 'win now' mode. Caleb is better than Grimes today. The guy can go on a heater in the PO's and is a proven performer. He was the Heats' second best player in some games 2 years ago....the guy can ball.

Nico is quietly building something in Dallas...

He’s definitely building “something”
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#23 » by zshawn10 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:16 pm

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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#24 » by mademan » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:17 pm

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XTC wrote:Lmao Grimes is better than Martin... wtf is Nico doing???


eh. Same level player, but Grimes does have better playmaking chops (tho still below average). For a team that now has 1 above average perimeter playmaker (Kyrie), trading anyone who can dribble the ball at any level for someone who cant does seem weird tho. But there's no real difference in the level of player and i think most teams would take the extra size with Caleb


Quentin Grimes is a 24 year old 3+D guard, who gets better every year.

Caleb Martin has size, but I don't think he's a better basketball player than Grimes and he's 5 years older.


Grimes doesnt really get better every year tho. His best year was 2 years ago on the Knicks. This is a journeyman guard for a journeyman forward. I dont hate it for either side but Mavs throwing in extra value here with an early 2nd is questionable
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#25 » by TheNewEra » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:18 pm

mademan wrote:Martin/Naji/PJ/AD

Lotta forwards and only 1 good guard in Kyrie. Guess Naji is on the way out too?


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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#26 » by The Master » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:19 pm

Martin has been pretty mediocre for two years now post-2023 playoffs, Grimes is probably a better player right now.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#27 » by azcatz11 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:19 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:They're in 'win now' mode. Caleb is better than Grimes today. The guy can go on a heater in the PO's and is a proven performer. He was the Heats' second best player in some games 2 years ago....the guy can ball.

Nico is quietly building something in Dallas...

He’s definitely building “something”


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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#28 » by ChuckChilly » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:19 pm

We haven't seen that playoff Caleb in what seems like years now. I think Grimes is the better player at this point.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#29 » by mademan » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:20 pm

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azcatz11 wrote:They're in 'win now' mode. Caleb is better than Grimes today. The guy can go on a heater in the PO's and is a proven performer. He was the Heats' second best player in some games 2 years ago....the guy can ball.

Nico is quietly building something in Dallas...

He’s definitely building “something”


Basically going with a huge lineup (if PJ starts at SF and AD PF) with weak spacing, great defense and rebounding in the pace and space era. Going away from everything that teams are looking to do in the modern league and carrying one above average perimeter playmaker.

Destined to fail but ima root for them bucking the system.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#30 » by dirkdiggler4177 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:20 pm

Makes no sense. Similar players, but Grimes makes his defender shoot 6% worse while Martin makes him shoot 2% better.
My guess is that Grimes will ask for a higher price and Mavericks will lose him in the free agency.

I need to get a better understanding of the cap.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#31 » by srhcan » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:20 pm

mademan wrote:Martin/Naji/PJ/AD

Lotta forwards and only 1 good guard in Kyrie. Guess Naji is on the way out too?

yeah they have lost 2 guards now in Luka and Grimes. Are they gonna play Kyrie all game?
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#32 » by John Murdoch » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:21 pm

Grimes is better tham martin
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#33 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:22 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Grimes for Martin doesn't work salary-wise so guessing there's something more coming to Dallas?

Pretty much a pure salary dump for the Sixers its looking like tho.
Was a very short-lived stint for him.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#34 » by TheFire » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:22 pm

Lol Caleb is not better than Grimes.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#35 » by mg » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:22 pm

Meh.
In a vacuum I'd prefer Grimes+SRP but this Mavs team is now on the AD/Kyrie timeline which means they have maybe a 2 year window to win a championship. Martin would likely be the better playoff performer the next 2 seasons. They already acquired Max Christie to take the Grimes role.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#36 » by DaddyCool19 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:23 pm

Why? Do they think he is playing well and would get paid too much and Christie can replace him?
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#37 » by srhcan » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:23 pm

Drygon wrote:At this point, Nico Harrison is really just an idiot.

Surely this and Luka trade has nothing to do with the Adelson family

It is actually everything to do with the Adelson family. :lol: You have just not realized it or you are just an apologist for them.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#38 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:23 pm

zshawn10 wrote:The owners giving Nico “bill o Brien” Harrison all the power is not a good look
Spot on comparison!
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#39 » by Tor_Raps » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:25 pm

Sixers in 4 wrote:We are clearing salary wouldn't be surprised to see grimes moved again and George moved


What are you guys clearly salary for? Tanking? Embiids about to comeback so that wouldn't work.
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Re: SHAMS: Caleb Martin to Mavericks 

Post#40 » by Wargreymon » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:25 pm

Are the Mavs addicted to losing trades now? Grimes is younger and better than Martin.
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