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Post#221 » by qm22 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:45 am

peja drobnjak wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:Evolution is being abandoned by many scientists, also. It is taught as fact in public schools, but is subject to debate amongst world renowned scientists. Look it up.


yeah no the debate is mostly about things like is there a valid method by which something like kin selection is applied to living organisms etc. they'll fight about it but in the grand scheme they're little niggles

no biologist, likely nobody prominent working in the physical sciences, doesn't consider the theory of evolution valid. also wtf is this doing in a gay marriage thread



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Post#222 » by peja drobnjak » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:45 am

qm22 wrote:I think that is hilarious. I want to marry a girl, but is something changing between me and the girl because elsewhere a guy married a guy?

yes, plainly

e: like your marriage doesn't just happen in isolation
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Post#223 » by jaze89 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:47 am

lovethewire wrote:are you gay?


No I am not gay, but I know that I can't choose to go have sex with another man because I'm not aroused by men.
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Post#224 » by Dennis 37 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:49 am

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qm22 wrote:I don't know what you are referring to. If it is about the claim that some people would allow legal equality of gay partners but do not want to call it "marriage" than first of all, that is an improvement, but in reality gay partnerships currently are treated with LESS legal benefits and protection than a heterosexual marriage. That is what the majority of the argument is about, which stems back to the driving force being disliking homosexuality and desire to regulate it.


My stance has always been to give homosexual people a new institution, that affords them all the legal rights and benefits and protection, but is specifically in a different category than traditional marriage.

If they want the world to acknowledge this as a "new family unit" then it should be deserving of a new institution.

But leave the traditional foundation of human existence alone.


I used to think this was a reasonable compromise until I was asked why.

Why do I feel it tarnishes my traditional marriage, if a gay couple gets married and we refer to their legal status as married?

I had no answer. The sanctity of my marriage in front of God and made legal by the state is not altered or threatened by any other couple entering into a legal marriage.

Americans cherish freedom and wear it on their sleeve as the defining attribute of their great country, yet it confuses Canadians why you aren't a leader in promoting freedom for gay people, rather than a people kicking and screaming to suppress the rights of your fellow Americans.
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Post#225 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:50 am

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Doo Doo_Brown wrote:Then by your logic, homosexuality is perfectly natural since anyone can engage in that without requiring a machine.


This is not about what is natural and what is not natural. Genetic defects/malfunctions are natural.

It doesn't mean they are good.


Oh ok, so what about homosexuals isnt "good?"


Many things.

Some of which you won't understand or agree with.

But a more palatable reason for you, would be health complications and dangers.
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Post#226 » by Ayt » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:51 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:Homosexuals cannot reproduce and bear children. It is not a normal union. I don't care if they are both adult humans. There are a lot of things that adult humans can or can't do, and we accept it. Why are gays special?

So, I don't support gay marriage. It is a biological malfunction of the human body. That's all it is. But some people in this country are filled with political correctness and want so badly to turn this into another black Civil Rights 2.0

Fact : Males are evolved, biologically, to procreate with females. If you are born homosexual and refuse to do that, then you have a malfunction. It is a genetic abnormality, same as being born with a a chemical imbalance in the brain or a 3rd leg or arm.


Neither can people who are sterile or older couples who marry late in life.

Great argument. :lol:

We should ban marriage between all couples who cannot bear children. Makes perfect sense.
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Post#227 » by lakerz12 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:51 am

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peja drobnjak wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:Evolution is being abandoned by many scientists, also. It is taught as fact in public schools, but is subject to debate amongst world renowned scientists. Look it up.


yeah no the debate is mostly about things like is there a valid method by which something like kin selection is applied to living organisms etc. they'll fight about it but in the grand scheme they're little niggles

no biologist, likely nobody prominent working in the physical sciences, doesn't consider the theory of evolution valid. also wtf is this doing in a gay marriage thread



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Someone who has internet access... is capable of believing that evolution is a debate and being abandoned by many scientists? Ouch, humanity, ouch. Ouch.


Not sure if second poster is being sarcastic but here are some quotes you both may find interesting:

"Nine-tenths of the talk of evolutionists is sheer nonsense, not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by facts. This museum is full of proofs of the utter falsity of their views. In all this great museum, there is not a particle of evidence of the transmutation of species." (Dr. Etheridge, Paleontologist of the British Museum)

"I reject evolution because I deem it obsolete; because the knowledge, hard won since 1830, of anatomy, histology, cytology, and embryology, cannot be made to accord with its basic idea. The foundationless, fantastic edifice of the evolution doctrine would long ago have met with its long- deserved fate were it not that the love of fairy tales is so deep-rooted in the hearts of man." (Dr. Albert Fleischmann, University of Erlangen)

"By the late 1970s, debates on university campuses throughout the free world were being held on the subject of origins with increasing frequency. Hundreds of scientists, who once accepted the theory of evolution as fact, were abandoning ship and claiming that the scientific evidence was in total support of the theory of creation. Well-known evolutionists, such as Isaac Asimov and Stephen Jay Gould, were stating that, since the creationist scientists had won all of the more than one hundred debates, the evolutionists should not debate them." (Luther Sunderland, "Darwin's Enigma", p.10)

"The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone; exactly the same sort of faith which is necessary to have when one encounters the great mysteries of religion... The only alternative is the doctrine of special creation, which may be true, but is irrational." (Dr. L.T. More)

"I have come to the conclusion that Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme... (Dr. Karl Popper, German-born philosopher of science, called by Nobel Prize-winner Peter Medawar, "incomparably the greatest philosopher of science who has ever lived.")

"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an unproved theory -- is it then a science or faith? Belief in the theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to belief in special creation..." (Dr. L. Harrison Matthews, in the introduction to the 1971 edition of Darwin's "Origin of Species")

More here: http://www.aboundingjoy.com/scientists.htm

And just keep looking, put evolution to the test and it fails.. not that it would disprove God whatsoever anyways
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Post#228 » by lakerz12 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:51 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:Not going to read 13 pages of gay marriage debate, but it stuns me how people are still against it. There isn't a rational reason to oppose it. Most arguments are veiled bigotry or a slippery slope argument. It's amazing how certain tenants of organized religion are taken as the whole truth, but certain others are swept under the rug.

Free speech is a pillar of a healthy society, but illogical and irrational thought shouldn't be nurtured and encouraged. It's like creationism being taught in Science class.


I suggest reading more and finding that there are rational reasons to oppose it.

Creationism is actually taught in some science classes (1 example: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... classroom/).

Evolution is being abandoned by many scientists, also. It is taught as fact in public schools, but is subject to debate amongst world renowned scientists. Look it up.


I really don't understand how people think Creationism is wrong, when every major astro-physicist going back to Albert Einstein will tell you that the universe was created (Big Bang) at a single point in time. Now, the DETAILS of creationism is where everyone has problems. Some people believe 3,000 years, other people believe the universe was created 15 billion years ago by God and then the plan was set into motion on it's own.

but science itself supports creationism. A natural system like the universe cannot create itself. That defies all logic and the basic laws of thermodynamics.


I completely agree. It is obviously rooted in a bias against the notion of a creator.
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Post#229 » by Grumpy Heat Fan » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:53 am

Dennis 37 wrote:
I used to think this was a reasonable compromise until I was asked why.

Why do I feel it tarnishes my traditional marriage, if a gay couple gets married and we refer to their legal status as married?

I had no answer. The sanctity of my marriage in front of God and made legal by the state is not altered or threatened by any other couple entering into a legal marriage.

Americans cherish freedom and wear it on their sleeve as the defining attribute of their great country, yet it confuses Canadians why you aren't a leader in promoting freedom for gay people, rather than a people kicking and screaming to suppress the rights of your fellow Americans.


There are many reasons why. I don't make all of my decisions based on if something may or may not be inconvenient to me personally.
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Post#230 » by Sofia » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:53 am

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Post#231 » by Jvaughn » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:54 am

So what. The world doesn't have to all be for gay marriage. ORL did nothing wrong.
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Post#232 » by Stunnaboy2K11 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:55 am

I was raised Christian my entire life.

My mom took me to church every Sunday, and made me attend a Christian elementary school and boarding middle school.

I have friends that are extremely homophobic. Close friends at that.

And I have never for the life of me cared, or even thought about other peoples orientations and how they affect my life.

I am 100% for gay marriage.

Between this and the ban on marijuana I will never understand why so many people care about things that have absolutely no affect on their lives. I truly believe in 50 years we will look back on this the same way we do segregation and women being refused the right to vote.

And also, if people actually cared about the sanctity of marriage, wouldn't be able to drive to Vegas and marry a stripper I meet there in a drive through church and divorce her 3 days later. Dickheads like Rush Limbaugh piss me off when they complain about gay marriage upsetting the bible when he has been married like 5 times.

Gay marriage is the one of the few issues I am proud to be Canadian for.

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Post#233 » by Don Draper » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:56 am

Government should regulate marriage at all. Marriage should be nothing more than a contract between consenting adults. Homosexuals, heterosexuals and polygamists should have the same rights.
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Post#234 » by lovethewire » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:56 am

jaze89 wrote:
MannyRam99 wrote:The guy that you are arguing with is a little headstrong, but sexual preference is MOST CERTAINLY a choice.

There of course can be cases of influence during childhood or what not, a product of their environment if you will, but at the end of day you are voluntarily choosing your sexual partner and what you find attractive.


So you're saying you (specifically you) can go have sexual intercourse with someone of the same sex? You can look at them and flip an arousal switch?

Did you not remember growing up with children who were very "flamboyant" always hung out with the girls and generally acted like a female? I know I remember growing up with one in and since the 1st grade. If homosexuality isn't something you're born with then it's something that is nurtured through environmental influences in child development, which means you have no control over it. You don't voluntarily find people attractive, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

You DON'T choose sexuality.
nurture can play a huge factor but you still have a choice, kids that grow up in ghetto's and raised by dope dealers usually end up selling dope, but their are also those that decide to get an education and be successful, either way its a choice
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Post#235 » by Ayt » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:57 am

MannyRam99 wrote:
LikeABosh wrote:
MannyRam99 wrote:FYI : A truth has to be a fact, a fact has to be proven a certainty.

therefore both statements are not "truths".


Then we're not born straight either
Duh ?


So you chose to be attracted to women? You could change your mind and find it hot to suck off some hot stud if you felt like it?

You could prove that homosexual tendencies are a choice by having sex with a guy and being extremely turned on. Your orgasm would be the shot heard round the world!
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Post#236 » by RIPskaterdude » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:57 am

Don Draper wrote:Government should regulate marriage at all. Marriage should be nothing more than a contract between consenting adults. Homosexuals, heterosexuals and polygamists should have the same rights.


Exactly. Seems like it would clear all of this up pretty quick, imo.
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Post#237 » by jaze89 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:58 am

lovethewire wrote:
jaze89 wrote:
MannyRam99 wrote:The guy that you are arguing with is a little headstrong, but sexual preference is MOST CERTAINLY a choice.

There of course can be cases of influence during childhood or what not, a product of their environment if you will, but at the end of day you are voluntarily choosing your sexual partner and what you find attractive.


So you're saying you (specifically you) can go have sexual intercourse with someone of the same sex? You can look at them and flip an arousal switch?

Did you not remember growing up with children who were very "flamboyant" always hung out with the girls and generally acted like a female? I know I remember growing up with one in and since the 1st grade. If homosexuality isn't something you're born with then it's something that is nurtured through environmental influences in child development, which means you have no control over it. You don't voluntarily find people attractive, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

You DON'T choose sexuality.
nurture can play a huge factor but you still have a choice, kids that grow up in ghetto's and raised by dope dealers usually end up selling dope, but their are also those that decide to get an education and be successful, either way its a choice


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Post#238 » by BigMarketFan » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:59 am

Ayt wrote:So you chose to be attracted to women? You could change your mind and find it hot to suck off some hot stud if you felt like it?

to have sex you must have consent
consent=willingly choosing to do something
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Post#239 » by MannyRam99 » Tue Aug 7, 2012 4:59 am

jaze89 wrote:
Did you not remember growing up with children who were very "flamboyant" always hung out with the girls and generally acted like a female? I know I remember growing up with one in and since the 1st grade. If homosexuality isn't something you're born with then it's something that is nurtured through environmental influences in child development, which means you have no control over it. You don't voluntarily find people attractive, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

You DON'T choose sexuality.
The flamboyant character makes a conscious decision to hang out around the girls, It doesn't always have to start from the child nurturing stages.

Some times parents put their kids in all kinds of "boyish" recreational activities in their youths and the kid enjoys playing sports as well, the child grows to become a masculant man who girls throw themselves over BUT then the man discovers that he has a desire to **** another dude !

hows that for a scenario ? he PREFERS men, a preference = a choice over another.
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Post#240 » by Ayt » Tue Aug 7, 2012 5:02 am

StrengthNHonor wrote:
Morthello wrote:Lol im a straight male with absolutely no desire to ever have children. Do i have a malfunction? I didnt know marriage was only about reproducing.


No, you don't have one. You love women (as you were evolved to do, correctly) and it is only modern birth control science that is helping you. If you lived 200 years ago with no contraceptives, you'd have children by now, whether you liked it or not.


And what if my nuts were crushed in an accident when I was 5 and I was sterile? What if my wife was sterile (which happens for natural reasons)?

Do you look down upon us?

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