Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[Stillwater]

That last link states it can only stay airborne under laboratory conditions. Therefore it can't stay airborne in any natural conditions on earth.

Wrong here is the verbiage you missed about the facts within the article:

"The JAMA study that came to this conclusion was conducted in Singapore. To assess the ability of the virus to survive in the air, researchers developed what one expert described as “bizarre experiments done under very ideal controllable experimental conditions.” Researchers used a rotating drum to suspend the aerosols, and provided temperature and humidity levels closely simulating hospital (and not real world) conditions. Dr. Marr commented the experimental setup might be less comfortable for the virus than a real-life setting."
= the controlled lab environment was less likely to reveal airborne than the real world is and still revealed it

Wouldn't "very ideal controllable experimental conditions" mean they were ideal for the virus to stay airborne? Ideal as in better than anywhere else. I assume they weren't trying to create ideal conditions for killing the virus because that would be dumb.

No they were testing for it in a situation that might simulate a more controlled hospital environment to access risk to healthcare workers while treating infected patients.
The only thing dumb is not being more of this type of testing to match real world conditions for more difinitive expectations.
It's aerosol transfer is real but just how much is left up in the air...

[bondom34]

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[LKN]

Our continued lack of good data is a huge problem

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[TheRealKaboom]

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I have been wondering what our all-cause mortality rate has been compared to other years. Interesting if true...

Could be as simple as removing the vast majority of vehicle deaths in the past 2 weeks since the country's been shut down. I'd wager even homicides are down right now

Exactly. We kill each other at a much higher rate than this virus is killing us. Separate all of us and our death rate plummets, apparently.

[ken6199]

There are ktvs, aquariums, as well as madam tussaud that were opened on mar 25th but now closed again in China. The Oriental Tower in Shanghai is closed again today after being opened for the past 2 weeks.

It looks like they cannot make up their mind. They have their economy desperately needs resuming as well as maintaining their "look we won our battle now we are helping others" image to shift blame, while facing the uncertainties from those sparse, reappearing new cases.

[mtron929]

Seems like number of daily death in the US has decreased dramatically from 525 to 264 according to worldometers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Strange given that number of cases remained relatively same (19452 vs 18469). Any idea what is happening here? Just statistical noise?

[Metallikid]

Lol Canada is no better, Im currently a student taking my clinical classes in the basement of a long term continuing care facility. Classes are still going on, despite the government insisting on all students staying home. My program has decided we are safe, despite students having to take public transport. Funny thing is, they tell us to self isolate for 2 weeks if we have any symptoms, but we would fail the program if we miss more than 5 days. Guess how many students are going to self isolate if they feel sick...

Yo report whatever school this is to the new tip line that's a clear violation of the emergency orders that Ford put into place. Schools got closed down a while ago now.

Its in Alberta, we have Provincial and local emergencies declared but I guess Advanced Education and Alberta Health decided that our program is safe to continue. Im training to work as a lab technologist so they told us we know how to keep ourselves safe lol. Not sure how I can protect myself from a virus that's being transmitted in the community unknowingly. Myself and most of the students travel through public transport, to top it off, the site Im training in currently, crams about 10 students in a tiny lunchroom for our break inside of a long term care facility... so much for social distancing.

I live with my parents, both of them are older and have health issues, if I get it and bring it home, I'm super scared they are going to have a hard time fighting it. Its mind boggling how they are letting us continue, we are not essential workers, we're students and many of us want the program to shut down for a few weeks till things get better, but at this point im pretty sure it won't.

Sorry, you know people from Toronto automatically assume everything is happening in Toronto. Regardless, if you don't feel safe you should talk directly to the professor, the director of the program, and then the Dean of your faculty in that order. I guarantee you will be excused and not punished for this sort of absence. At the same time, I would also call your MP and MPP and tell them what's going on - the size of the classrooms, etc.. In fact, you could tell your professor, director and Dean that you will be doing just that, and you'd be surprised how fast people will move. They might even be able to get the whole thing shut down.

[Metallikid]

Seems like number of daily death in the US has decreased dramatically from 525 to 264 according to worldometers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Strange given that number of cases remained relatively same (19452 vs 18469). Any idea what is happening here? Just statistical noise?

Lag and bottlenecks. We shouldn't even use the word trend for anything other than a seven consecutive day phenomenon.

[bwgood77]

Seems like number of daily death in the US has decreased dramatically from 525 to 264 according to worldometers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Strange given that number of cases remained relatively same (19452 vs 18469). Any idea what is happening here? Just statistical noise?

You will have days where it dips because more people hung on that day. Probably will rise bigger tomorrow. Also, I think many are slow to be recorded and better to check in the middle of the day tomorrow.

[homecourtloss]

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I have been wondering what our all-cause mortality rate has been compared to other years. Interesting if true...

Could be as simple as removing the vast majority of vehicle deaths in the past 2 weeks since the country's been shut down. I'd wager even homicides are down right now

Exactly. We kill each other at a much higher rate than this virus is killing us. Separate all of us and our death rate plummets, apparently.

Massive argument for self driving cars and mass transit as well. It seems goddamn illogical that we accept such death rates when there are potential ways to reduce them (i.e., vehicular deaths).

[zimpy27]

Seems like number of daily death in the US has decreased dramatically from 525 to 264 according to worldometers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Strange given that number of cases remained relatively same (19452 vs 18469). Any idea what is happening here? Just statistical noise?

Sunday may have less people working that input the data. I noticed some similar anomalies with dips on weekends in other countries as well.

Could also.be b cause of quarantine. We started 3 weeks ago in silicon valley area with most businesses. Officially it was 2 weeks but the streets were dead well before.

[mtron929]

Seems like number of daily death in the US has decreased dramatically from 525 to 264 according to worldometers.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Strange given that number of cases remained relatively same (19452 vs 18469). Any idea what is happening here? Just statistical noise?

Sunday may have less people working that input the data. I noticed some similar anomalies with dips on weekends in other countries as well.

Could also.be b cause of quarantine. We started 3 weeks ago in silicon valley area with most businesses. Officially it was 2 weeks but the streets were dead well before.

Yeah, but if this is a start of lowering daily death numbers in general (that is, we are already passed the peak), that would be quite an unexpected trend reversal.

[spacemonkey]

There are ktvs, aquariums, as well as madam tussaud that were opened on mar 25th but now closed again in China. The Oriental Tower in Shanghai is closed again today after being opened for the past 2 weeks.

It looks like they cannot make up their mind. They have their economy desperately needs resuming as well as maintaining their "look we won our battle now we are helping others" image to shift blame, while facing the uncertainties from those sparse, reappearing new cases.

Part of the reason may also be that nobody is going to these things at the moment because they're still afraid of the virus being around. If that's the case, it suggests a pretty wide-spread lack of confidence in the government's claims of having 'beaten' the virus.

Look at this mall that reopened in Beijing but is staying empty: https://www.scmp.com/video/scmp-originals/3077524/beijings-malls-still-empty-after-coronavirus-lockdown-lifted

[og15]

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This is true. In addition, even the death rate from Italy has some other difficulties because they are including people who died and had been confirmed to be infected by covid19 even if they were already sick and their death was not directly caused by the virus.

[Drou]

Where are the China bots of realgm at? I’m surprised they’ve been quiet on here.

Do you really believe there are China bots on realgm? This is a very small message board. China bots, Russia bots etc... are on Youtube, Reddit, Twitter etc...

[mcmurphy]

no, my bad I guess that came off as confusing. I was referring to Italy and France as morons.

Well in their defense; testing on dead bodies found that way is probably not a high priority.

That being said - it's probably safe to assume the vast majority are COVID-19 related.

right, and if they had reported there's a better chance we would've taken it more seriously at an earlier stage. Italy had a responsibility to the rest of the world to fully warn us and they screwed that up. At least they didn't screw it up on purpose like some other country to the east who will remain nameless.

hey moron,... have you lived in a cave the last month?

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[mcmurphy]

Our continued lack of good data is a huge problem

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This is true. In addition, even the death rate from Italy has some other difficulties because they are including people who died and had been confirmed to be infected by covid19 even if they were already sick and their death was not directly caused by the virus.

this thing of pathologies to indicate the cause of Covit-19 deaths seems to me a bit of a syllogism... if you are on a precipice protected by a railing and one gives you a push and makes you fall, the cause is the push ... if you you are on a precipice without a railing and one gives you a little push and you fall, what is the cause of your death? It seems obvious to me

those who are hiding something are other countries...

[Baarignani]

Wrong here is the verbiage you missed about the facts within the article:

"The JAMA study that came to this conclusion was conducted in Singapore. To assess the ability of the virus to survive in the air, researchers developed what one expert described as “bizarre experiments done under very ideal controllable experimental conditions.” Researchers used a rotating drum to suspend the aerosols, and provided temperature and humidity levels closely simulating hospital (and not real world) conditions. Dr. Marr commented the experimental setup might be less comfortable for the virus than a real-life setting."
= the controlled lab environment was less likely to reveal airborne than the real world is and still revealed it

Wouldn't "very ideal controllable experimental conditions" mean they were ideal for the virus to stay airborne? Ideal as in better than anywhere else. I assume they weren't trying to create ideal conditions for killing the virus because that would be dumb.

No they were testing for it in a situation that might simulate a more controlled hospital environment to access risk to healthcare workers while treating infected patients.
The only thing dumb is not being more of this type of testing to match real world conditions for more difinitive expectations.
It's aerosol transfer is real but just how much is left up in the air...

Don't worry even the aerosol transfer hasn't been proven for this virus.

"The notion of viral particles hanging in the air, ready to infect passersby, may seem scary, but to become an aerosol, droplets containing viral particles must first be transformed into a light mist, thin enough to be supported by the air. By definition, aerosols are less than 0.0002 inches (5 microns) in diameter, while typical respiratory droplets exceed this size."

"Based on what we know about other respiratory viruses, we don't think that SARS-CoV-2 gets aerosolized in everyday settings," Morris said. "Rather, aerosolization, if it happens at all for SARS-CoV-2, is likely to happen in health care settings," according to recent studies, Morris said.

"Specifically, the use of intubation — where a tube is inserted into a patient's windpipe — and nebulizers — which transform medicines into an inhalable mist — generated aerosols and increased the risk of viral transmission to health care providers"

www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html

[AussieCeltic]

Where are the China bots of realgm at? I’m surprised they’ve been quiet on here.

Do you really believe there are China bots on realgm? This is a very small message board. China bots, Russia bots etc... are on Youtube, Reddit, Twitter etc...

They have been on here before